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Post by craines10 on Apr 14, 2016 12:52:21 GMT -6
When you became an HC did you also take on the OC or DC role? Did you already have an offense and defensive philosophy and scheme you planned on your program running? I am asking because when I become a HC I cant decide whether I want to have a defensive scheme/playbook that I want to have ran or do I want to hire someone to run their own defensive scheme. I know what I want the defensive philosophy of my program to be so that person would definitely have to share the same vision. What did you do?
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 14, 2016 13:29:47 GMT -6
yes, OC/DC
Had a plan going in. Hire people to execute the plan. You cant change plans every time a coach comes in or leaves the program.
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Post by hsrose on Apr 14, 2016 13:36:04 GMT -6
When I became the HC before last season I told the coaches that I was running a benevolent dictatorship. I was open to discussion, but the direction I set for the team was the direction. So it is pistol triple option and 4-3. The coaches job is to make the players effective within those parameters.
When I first took over I stayed as the OC because I was the OC before I took over. Now I have handed that to a coach but he is still subject to my original parameters. My take is that every offense and defense you can name has gone 15-0 and won state, and has gone 0-10 so it is a matter of picking what I am comfortable with and implementing it to the best of our ability.
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Post by coachnewman on Apr 14, 2016 13:37:44 GMT -6
Remember it will ALWAYS be YOUR head on the chopping block when it comes down to it. So do it how YOU want to do it. Try to find guys that are similar to what you want to do and let them put their own spin on it but again it all needs to be what YOU want.
It is YOUR program!
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Post by mrjvi on Apr 14, 2016 17:01:14 GMT -6
Had a plan. I run the O and my defensive coordinator runs his D that agreed with my basic philosophy. (attack to complement our ball control O) I don't micro-manage.
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Apr 15, 2016 7:20:59 GMT -6
I think if you are just starting out, you find a philosophy that fits and hire a coordinator to run their verbiage etc. But once you are there for a while you hire guys with like philosophies and they learn YOUR verbiage.
Easier for one guy to learn it than a whole group of kids.
Ultimately you are breeding and cultivating the future coordinators for your program in a perfect world. The best tend to hire from within.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 15, 2016 8:35:50 GMT -6
My take is that every offense and defense you can name has gone 15-0 and won state, and has gone 0-10 So very true. |
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Post by John Knight on Apr 15, 2016 9:25:21 GMT -6
Yeah when Terry Bowden first came to Salem College he said to the assistant coaches, all six of you have a vote, I have 7.
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Post by coachgutz on Apr 15, 2016 10:46:40 GMT -6
I had a plan for both Offense and Defense. Had two guys I was close to that helped me come up with those philosophies. One of them runs the D, I call the O, but i am very involved in every decision we make on defense.
As someone mentioned it's your head on the chopping block so make sure you are comfortable with both sides.
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Post by blb on Apr 15, 2016 11:11:00 GMT -6
The OC of my college team, one of my mentors, went back to HS coaching after HC quit-staff wasn't retained.
He did not like to coach defense so he would hire a DC and ask him, "What do you want to run?" and just coach a position on that side.
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Post by craines10 on Apr 18, 2016 7:42:11 GMT -6
Appreciate the various insight
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Post by oriolepower on Apr 18, 2016 13:37:37 GMT -6
Ultimately you need to be able to sleep at night. If you can sleep comfortably byhiring great people to run their stuff, do it. If don't have a clue what they are talking about half the time, you probably won't sleep very well.
When I started I inherited a phenomenal DC that ran a defense I had no experience running. I gave him the keys and said if we can't stop anyone, we'll talk again. Then I learned everything I could about the scheme and we still run it after he retired a long time ago.
Offensively, I was an OC at a different school and wanted to run my stuff.
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 18, 2016 15:08:11 GMT -6
When I became HC I maintained my spot at OC and hired a coach to run my defense. I gave him my defensive playbook, told him my defensive philosophy, and then gave him some Carte Blanc to innovate, with my approval.
After a season or two, we both knew what was needed and it became pretty much his railroad...and he got to toot the defensive whistle.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 19, 2016 8:15:12 GMT -6
yes, OC/DC Had a plan going in. Hire people to execute the plan. You cant change plans every time a coach comes in or leaves the program. I game plan and call the O and D. They're both my scheme. I do this because I'm at a small school with a super young staff (21, 21 and 24) and between part time jobs, full time school and coaching they can't be asked to do too much more. They're great with technique and watching the prep film I make for them and they love our kids. The D basically calls itself anyway and the O I take a lot of input during the game but it's my say in the end. |
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Post by veerman on Apr 19, 2016 19:27:26 GMT -6
Don't stop at just offense/defense. As HC you should have an answer to everything about your program. Going in you should know what offense you want to run, what defense you want to run and what type of special teams you want to run. At the beginning if you have guys you don't really know, you Teach You're staff what the program is running and how you want it taught. As they learn and get better at what you want them to, the more you hand over. No way am I just letting someone be the OC/DC/ST coordinator just because I don't want to be labeled as a micro manager. It's my family that suffers when things don't go good when I get fired. If I can bring in my guys then I'll be more likely to let them be coordinators, but most of the time in HS with your first HC gig you play with the hand that's dealt to you. Most time, you can't just say I'll get rid of these two and bring in who I want.
Best case scenario is get in as many guys who share your philosophy... like someone said every scheme had won championships and went 0-fer. When you have guys who have simular philosophies then you can start really fine tuning the smallest of details about what you do, and that's when you can really make a difference as a coaching staff.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 19, 2016 19:32:43 GMT -6
I hired the best guy to be my DC. Does he run the defense that I wanted no, do I care nope! Because he has a sound scheme, I understand, more importantly he understands it, can make adjustments and he can teach it.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 19, 2016 19:51:26 GMT -6
I took over the OC role and the role of "head culture coach."
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Post by craines10 on Apr 20, 2016 7:30:00 GMT -6
I took over the OC role and the role of "head culture coach." Head Culture Coach? |
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Post by gibbs72 on Apr 23, 2016 18:18:18 GMT -6
A little bit of both. I'm the OC for our flexbone, but defense is my baby. I promoted one of the better assistants to DC (gets an extra stipend), but he is just responsible for aligning our front 6. The secondary is the complicated part, and I'm running that. It will be a little bit of burning the candle at both ends for a while until another assistant becomes comfortable and competent enough to do things my way.
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Post by coachjm on Apr 24, 2016 14:13:35 GMT -6
I have done it differently at different programs based on our staffs experience and what I needed to do to draw good coaches into our staff.
My current situation, I have an offensive coordinator, a Pass game coordinator, a Defensive Coordinator, a call many of the offensive plays on game night with my OC on the phones with me, however, he is empowered in his position coordinates many of our pieces in game planning. He generally calls a play it is just a matter of me listening to him, lol.... I actually really appreciate the collaboration of how we have it set up.
With that said our schemes offensive, defensive, and special teams are all set by me, I feel it is my job to set the vision for the program. Several times in my career when I have hired others to run their schemes on offense and/or defense we have always gotten worse. So at this point although we evolve each year our core schemes and vision for our schemes are gonna be consistent.
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