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Post by bdm on Apr 13, 2016 9:37:35 GMT -6
Need some help on this. How many of you have a standard set for in season grades. If any of your guys are pulling an F or F's in a class during the season do you suspend them make them go to tutoring, remove them entirely from the team?
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Post by ccoomes16 on Apr 13, 2016 9:57:37 GMT -6
D - Can't play in a game until it is raised with signed teacher proof
F - Can't play or practice with team until it is raised - will go to tutoring instead of practice
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 13, 2016 10:55:55 GMT -6
I would have a grade policy if all teachers actively updated grades, they do not though so I could have a player miss one assignment week one, do high quality work every day, really have an A/B, but the grade not be updated until week 4/5 when interims come out so I'm not doing anything restricting playing time.
What I do have is a study table for players with Ds/Fs and it is self reported. May be naive to believe that those with poor grades will self report however I explain to them it is better they self report than I find out on my own...seemed to work.
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Post by fantom on Apr 13, 2016 10:57:52 GMT -6
Need some help on this. How many of you have a standard set for in season grades. If any of your guys are pulling an F or F's in a class during the season do you suspend them make them go to tutoring, remove them entirely from the team? No. |
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 13, 2016 11:01:42 GMT -6
No we don't
Previous semester grades reflect eligibility for fall start
1st quarter grades go into effect week 9 and on
2.0 and pass 4 classes
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Post by blb on Apr 13, 2016 11:03:35 GMT -6
Every school I worked for had its own athletic eligibility standards for all sports, usually involving weekly grade checks.
So we went by those.
I was not in the business of punishing kids for non-Football issues.
If you believe in the educational value of HS Football, why would you remove a kid from the team?
Studies have shown for decades that most kids do better academically when involved in extracurriculars.
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Post by bdm on Apr 13, 2016 11:35:08 GMT -6
Every school I worked for had its own athletic eligibility standards for all sports, usually involving weekly grade checks. So we went by those. I was not in the business of punishing kids for non-Football issues. If you believe in the educational value of HS Football, why would you remove a kid from the team? Studies have shown for decades that most kids do better academically when involved in extracurriculars. This point I completely understand, but if the kid is an issue in class and doesn't get the grade because they are lazy and because they don't turn in the work and skip class then basically in my opinion they are stomping all over any kind of standard we have set. All of those would be non-football or any athletics really issues. I guess what I am struggling with is if you can't even maintain a D while playing because you just wont do the work then any educational value of football is being nullified in my opinion and its a reward to continue to play even while your failing. |
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Post by blb on Apr 13, 2016 11:53:09 GMT -6
Every school I worked for had its own athletic eligibility standards for all sports, usually involving weekly grade checks. So we went by those. I was not in the business of punishing kids for non-Football issues. If you believe in the educational value of HS Football, why would you remove a kid from the team? Studies have shown for decades that most kids do better academically when involved in extracurriculars. This point I completely understand, but if the kid is an issue in class and doesn't get the grade because they are lazy and because they don't turn in the work and skip class then basically in my opinion they are stomping all over any kind of standard we have set. All of those would be non-football or any athletics really issues. I guess what I am struggling with is if you can't even maintain a D while playing because you just wont do the work then any educational value of football is being nullified in my opinion and its a reward to continue to play even while your failing.
Is this a common problem for you?
If so you may want to evaluate how you are communicating your expectations for players to them, beginning when they are Freshmen.
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Post by coachgutz on Apr 13, 2016 11:57:04 GMT -6
We have kids do weekly grade checks. They turn them in during our study hall. Any grade lower than a C they have to do some sort of extra duty. In the off season we track them and if they are not above a 2.0 they are not allowed to attend passing league, team camps, or be a part of our leadership council.
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Post by fantom on Apr 13, 2016 12:05:40 GMT -6
Every school I worked for had its own athletic eligibility standards for all sports, usually involving weekly grade checks. So we went by those. I was not in the business of punishing kids for non-Football issues. If you believe in the educational value of HS Football, why would you remove a kid from the team? Studies have shown for decades that most kids do better academically when involved in extracurriculars. This point I completely understand, but if the kid is an issue in class and doesn't get the grade because they are lazy and because they don't turn in the work and skip class then basically in my opinion they are stomping all over any kind of standard we have set. All of those would be non-football or any athletics really issues. I guess what I am struggling with is if you can't even maintain a D while playing because you just wont do the work then any educational value of football is being nullified in my opinion and its a reward to continue to play even while your failing. Do they stop taking other classes too? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 12:10:07 GMT -6
If a kid has Ds or Fs then they do belly flops for them once a week on Mondays. Every D is 500 yards and every F is 1000 yards so if you have really bad grades then you get in really good shape. We start this once the first progress report is issued. If they have a D or F they start belly flops and must bring me a new progress report that I give them to be updated and signed by their teacher and they flop accordingly every week until no Ds or Fs. Most kids grades come up very quickly.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 13, 2016 12:15:35 GMT -6
We have a weekly policy that is school-wide: any F's make the student-athlete ineligible for a week. The report is ran Friday mornings and the students are ineligible the next Monday through Saturday. Possible exceptions are if an IEP student is flunking a class in his or her deficient area and if a teacher hasn't entered grades in a week, any previous F students are taken off the ineligibility list because students haven't been given an opportunity to pull grades up. No extra punishment from the team.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 13, 2016 13:04:57 GMT -6
Every school I worked for had its own athletic eligibility standards for all sports, usually involving weekly grade checks. So we went by those. I was not in the business of punishing kids for non-Football issues. If you believe in the educational value of HS Football, why would you remove a kid from the team? Studies have shown for decades that most kids do better academically when involved in extracurriculars. This! |
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Post by blb on Apr 13, 2016 13:44:53 GMT -6
If a kid has Ds or Fs then they do belly flops for them once a week on Mondays. Every D is 500 yards and every F is 1000 yards so if you have really bad grades then you get in really good shape. We start this once the first progress report is issued. If they have a D or F they start belly flops and must bring me a new progress report that I give them to be updated and signed by their teacher and they flop accordingly every week until no Ds or Fs. Most kids grades come up very quickly.
Early in my HC career I did something similar to this.
For every D a kid had he had to run a 100 carrying a heavy dummy in a proscribed time. For every F, two. If he didn't make any in the required time, had to do one extra.
What I discovered the next year was some kids didn't take tougher classes (College Prep for example) to avoid the punishment, and a couple kids who struggled academically - not because of work ethic but genetics - didn't come out at all.
Law of Unintended Consequences.
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 13, 2016 18:15:10 GMT -6
Private school. Anyone who drops below a 2.0 in any one class is suspended pending proof of standards.
A tough gig.
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Post by peacock1915 on Apr 13, 2016 18:26:22 GMT -6
We check grades at 5 weeks and 9 weeks. I look at any grade below a 75 and for every zero they have in that class they get punished. If your failing 2 classes at 5 weeks you have until the 9 weeks is up to pull them up if still failing two classes your suspended for a game.
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Post by rosey65 on Apr 14, 2016 7:20:15 GMT -6
We have study hall 3 days/week. Kids turn in a progress report every friday. They only run if they dont turn in a progress report. We look them over, and get help for kids who are struggling in any of their classes. Our goal is to get them eligible, keep them eligible, AND get them on the field.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 14, 2016 7:37:06 GMT -6
I require a 2.25 cumulative GPA to play football. I wind up making one exception (cannot have discipline issues) but they go on contract that the 1st quarter grades can't have a D or F or they're done.
It's worked 2 years in a row btw, one kid actually has A/B honor roll 3 straight semesters, 0 discipline issues in 18 months.
I agree with @footballcoachg that teachers don't update often enough and who gives someone a zero when they're at a funeral until they "make it up?" I always marked exception until the 48 hour make up window or whatever was up.
I do however print a grade report every Friday morning during the season and D/F kids eat the meal at a silent study table while A-C kids eat and talk. Have a coach sit w/ silent kids and make sure they work. Off-season I print a report every 2 weeks and meet w them to discuss.
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Post by boone5171 on Apr 14, 2016 8:23:39 GMT -6
I'm really surprised to see that eligibility is not something handled by the school for all athletics. This should not be on coaches to determine the standard. A 3 sport athlete could have 3 different standards.
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Post by fantom on Apr 14, 2016 8:35:45 GMT -6
I'm really surprised to see that eligibility is not something handled by the school for all athletics. This should not be on coaches to determine the standard. A 3 sport athlete could have 3 different standards. We do. That's why w don't have a separate standard set by coaches. |
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Post by boone5171 on Apr 14, 2016 8:40:15 GMT -6
I'm really surprised to see that eligibility is not something handled by the school for all athletics. This should not be on coaches to determine the standard. A 3 sport athlete could have 3 different standards. We do. That's why w don't have a separate standard set by coaches. I can't see having a standard on top of the established district standard. In fact I would think this would cause problems with parents and the school administration. |
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Post by bdm on Apr 14, 2016 11:34:06 GMT -6
We do. That's why w don't have a separate standard set by coaches. I can't see having a standard on top of the established district standard. In fact I would think this would cause problems with parents and the school administration. District does determine eligibility standards, which determines before the season starts whether or not you can participate. I was merely seeing what everyone else does once the season is in progress for guys who are doing badly in one or multiple classes. There is no district or school standard for what to do while the season is under way that is left up to each coach to decide. |
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Post by boone5171 on Apr 14, 2016 12:05:53 GMT -6
I can't see having a standard on top of the established district standard. In fact I would think this would cause problems with parents and the school administration. District does determine eligibility standards, which determines before the season starts whether or not you can participate. I was merely seeing what everyone else does once the season is in progress for guys who are doing badly in one or multiple classes. There is no district or school standard for what to do while the season is under way that is left up to each coach to decide. But that's what I am talking about. There is weekly eligibility checks in the district I coach in. Players have to be passing a certain number of classes. If they have multiple Ds or below in classes they have to go to mandatory tutoring during their lunch hour 4 days a week (take their lunch with them to tutoring). If they are failing 3 classes (I believe) the are ineligible until they get the grades up (I think failing two with tutoring is okay depending on how many classes they take) and have to do the tutoring. This is all done through the school, coaches do not organize any of this. |
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Post by tabs52 on Apr 14, 2016 15:18:44 GMT -6
Actually where I coach we are bound both my school district and league policy, if kid is failing so many course he is ineligible until the grades are brought up. This is a weekly thing so it very fluid. Our league has a policy where if a student is ineligible at the change of nine weeks or semester he then is ineligible for 10 school days.
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Post by blb on Apr 14, 2016 15:34:38 GMT -6
I can't see having a standard on top of the established district standard. In fact I would think this would cause problems with parents and the school administration. District does determine eligibility standards, which determines before the season starts whether or not you can participate. I was merely seeing what everyone else does once the season is in progress for guys who are doing badly in one or multiple classes. There is no district or school standard for what to do while the season is under way that is left up to each coach to decide.
Well, coach, can't help you then.
Never coached in a district where there were no In-Season eligibility standards for athletes in all sports.
That explains some of the problems you are dealing with.
Good luck.
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Post by stu on Apr 14, 2016 16:11:06 GMT -6
state has a set standard of being elgible with any F's.
When I was HC we had for varsity competition - it was anything under a C- and you did not play in the varsity game that week. Inherited the standard from the previous staff / staffs - a lot of turnover in that job - was too young and dumb to care to think about that before taking the job and one year later, bye -
but that was never a problem - either with the parents, school or players.
Year long study table. For all athletes of every sport is something I'd want to look into if I were ever a HC again. Known a few programs that have done it and its worked. Still be the C- or less category. Talked with a coach years back at a clinic about partnering with teachers in the building with each player as kind of a mentor and connection to help with school work and be another good adult connection for them. That's something I'd also like to look into more if that day were to ever come.
obviously having clear expectations from the start can go a ways towards helping. a lot in some cases. simply put, I'd try anything and everything if it might work, I could explain the reasoning and standards and expectations etc.
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Post by **** on Apr 14, 2016 16:33:50 GMT -6
Need some help on this. How many of you have a standard set for in season grades. If any of your guys are pulling an F or F's in a class during the season do you suspend them make them go to tutoring, remove them entirely from the team? We will not suspend them for a game but if a kid has a D or F he is required to come in before school for tutoring and work with me or another coach on Tuesdays and Thursdays. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 15, 2016 8:05:10 GMT -6
We used a simple printed piece of paper that had 4 squares (4x4 block schedule)
In each square it was already printed out and all the kid had to do was fill in their name, the teacher's name, period, and class. All the teacher had to was check off, 'Has the student
Been tardy Y/N
Been Doing homework Y/N
most recent quiz/test ____
has a passing avg Y/N
It was done weekly and it was up to the student to get a copy after practice on Thursday, fill it out, then politely ask the teacher during a time in class on Friday that wasn't interfering with instruction. They then had to turn it into their position coach and it was dealt with during our Sunday meeting if needed.
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