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Post by bruinfb on Apr 13, 2016 17:18:37 GMT -6
A lot of the time the guys that complain about running up the score are also the ones that will run up the score if they can. I agree with many of the above posts. I wouldn't worry too much about it, coach your guys how you think you should, don't purposely humiliate the other guys. I've been on teams that have won by 40 and on teams that have lost by 40.... we as a staff or to our players don't really talk about the score much. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I'm not naive enough to think that our players or parents or fans don't talk this stuff, but we just don't allow it to be discussed as if it is important.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 13, 2016 20:07:52 GMT -6
I haven't read all of the posts here but I'll usually call off the dogs a bit once we are up by 3 TDs if I feel confident in doing so. That said, we teach our kids to fight and to win always. I'm not going to throw verts at you but rpos and quicks are still on if that's what you're going to make me do.
I had a coach whine one time because we broke off a 78 yard TD run on inside zone on the final possession. We had our seconds and thirds in and it was a running back that hadn't even taken any Reps in our system. He was so far deep on the depth that he was a scout team only type guy.
It is what it is.
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Post by lochness on Apr 13, 2016 20:37:59 GMT -6
I do want to make sure I'm clear about something- because some of this discussion is about guys who get pissed and accuse you of running it up and some of it is about how YOU react if you get rung up.
I don't give a {censored} if you score a bunch on us. If we get our asses kicked we probably deserved it because we played like crap and/or practiced like crap. But I can tell you that it is my personal philosophy that I do not want to embarrass another team if we are the ones rolling.
It's your call if that kind of thing doesn't bother you and you can justify it as being right in your own mind (and it seems like many of you can). For better or worse, I just don't operate that way. We will do everything we can to ensure a win, ensure the safety of our players, but leave our opponent with some dignity and pride. To me, that's the right thing to do. But I don't expect or feel entitled to the same treatment. You do whatever makes you feel right...it's my problem to figure it out if you decide to ring us up.
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Post by blb on Apr 14, 2016 5:44:11 GMT -6
I do want to make sure I'm clear about something- because some of this discussion is about guys who get pissed and accuse you of running it up and some of it is about how YOU react if you get rung up. I don't give a {censored} if you score a bunch on us. If we get our asses kicked we probably deserved it because we played like crap and/or practiced like crap. But I can tell you that it is my personal philosophy that I do not want to embarrass another team if we are the ones rolling. It's your call if that kind of thing doesn't bother you and you can justify it as being right in your own mind (and it seems like many of you can). For better or worse, I just don't operate that way. We will do everything we can to ensure a win, ensure the safety of our players, but leave our opponent with some dignity and pride. To me, that's the right thing to do. But I don't expect or feel entitled to the same treatment. You do whatever makes you feel right...it's my problem to figure it out if you decide to ring us up.
As usual nessie makes a good point.
We coaches have a responsibility to the game to keep sportsmanship in mind, which requires us to do nothing to humiliate our opponents. Those coaches and players have to go back to practice Monday too.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 14, 2016 6:23:18 GMT -6
we got beat everywhere but the bottom of our feet. I definitely going to have to add that one my list
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Post by hammer66 on Apr 14, 2016 6:27:04 GMT -6
Coached with a guy once that had this philosophy if we were up big. You call off the dogs when they call off the dogs. Meaning when they start to sub in the 2s we did. Now if it was late in the game and they didn't sub we would but would still run our offense. Usually if the other team left the ones in they still were blitzing and trying to make something happen against our weaker guys. Coached with another guy that got fired up when we were getting crushed and we left our starters in the entire game and the other team subbed and still passed the ball... I could give two craps.... we should be able to stop it.
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 14, 2016 10:12:34 GMT -6
I've been on both ends of this...the pi$$ed and the pi$$er! I think you can tell when a coach is running it up or being a di#@. In those cases, yeah it is reasonable to let the other guy know you think he is a turd. But in some instances, the other team is just that much better. In that case, you had better be able to swallow the bitter pill of defeat and take it like a man.
I remember a situation in the playoffs one year, we still had most of our starters in as we were getting our butts handed to us. The other team had their 2's in, and frankly the 2's were as good as our starters. We mostly did it for the seniors to finish out their careers out on the field, not to try and put it to another teams backups. We eventually scored at the end of the game, a 4 year starter at QB threw a smash to a senior receiver. Frankly, I was glad these guys went out on a positive note. The radio announcers were having a fit we still had the starters in, but so what. After the game the opposing coach knew exactly what we were doing and was great about it.
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Post by funkfriss on Apr 15, 2016 13:58:32 GMT -6
Coached with a guy once that had this philosophy if we were up big. You call off the dogs when they call off the dogs. Meaning when they start to sub in the 2s we did. Now if it was late in the game and they didn't sub we would but would still run our offense. Usually if the other team left the ones in they still were blitzing and trying to make something happen against our weaker guys. Coached with another guy that got fired up when we were getting crushed and we left our starters in the entire game and the other team subbed and still passed the ball... I could give two craps.... we should be able to stop it. I was waiting for somebody to bring this one up. I CAN'T STAND coaches who when winning big subscribe to the philosophy "I ain't calling off the dogs til the other team waives the white flag and subs first." Really?!? You know if your starters are better than their starters then your subs are going to be better than their subs right? It would be like being in a fight and saying "Put your knife down and I'll drop my gun, but then I'm gonna pull out my knife. Let's go!" I guess in that situation I would want my subs to get experience vs. another team's starters. Only going to make them better for the future.
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Post by blb on Apr 15, 2016 15:52:10 GMT -6
My philosophy was "Play the 'Game Deciders' (best players) until the game is decided."
And then we would sub.
To me the game was decided when one team was ahead by three scores in 4th Quarter or Running Clock was in effect.
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Post by jcamerot on Apr 16, 2016 18:46:56 GMT -6
Agree completely with blb: "Play the 'Game Deciders' (best players) until the game is decided."
Have coached teams that didn't have the talent to win a game no matter how much work they put in as players and we put in as coaches. Its public HS (no recruiting)--its not college (can't go out and scholarship to fill the deficiencies)--its not NFL (can't go buy what we need). Use common sense---please lose the argument that 'its up to you to stop us'. In some situations the other team just can't stop you..........
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Post by freezeoption on Apr 16, 2016 20:30:34 GMT -6
i've been around long enough to know the saying, what comes around goes around, be humble with the win and a good sport with the loss, i've got tons of stories but remember we are dealing with young men and each play and game is a life lesson, you can win big and still give dignity and protect your kids, coached a girls bball game and the other team pressed us the whole game, they were superior to us in every way, beat us 77-11, could that have been controlled, yes, got beat this year by a team in football 80 something, wasn't close, they won the last two state championships until this year, we did alright on their run but they killed us on the pass, could they have controlled that, yes, i'm not a whiner, my boys fought hard the whole game, the coach knew i was trying to stop their run, if i would have dropped back into a pass prevent defense they would have scored on the run, he probably could have threw a few less passes and would have won by 60, what comes around goes around, they will get their challenges here in the next year or two because their talent is about out, but it still comes to sportsmanship and dignity, that is why this is a great game that will face it's own challenges here shortly
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Post by shocktroop34 on Apr 16, 2016 20:38:54 GMT -6
I've been on both ends. One night my AD who never interfered with my program comes down on the sideline (during the game) because we were beating the piss out of a certain school. He happened to be very good friends with their AD. He was livid and asked why I wasn't subbing. I pointed out to him that we had significant subs in and the 2's, 3's, and 4's were just playing hard.
We kept it all between the tackles, but he was still hot. I didn't care. Those subs worked just as hard all week and deserved anything that came to them.
After the game, their AD locked us out of the visiting locker room after the game, and our AD made our kids go directly to the bus. Once we got in our AD made us carry the players bags to the bus all by ourselves.
We still didn't give a damn, but I knew I wouldn't be returning to coach for someone who treated/and allowed us to be treated like that.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Apr 16, 2016 20:48:29 GMT -6
On the other end, during a down year, a team was getting some "get back" on us. I knew it was coming and took it in stride. He was blatantly chucking it all around late into the game. It was about 35-0 with a few minutes left and his starting QB throws a pick six.
We shook hands after the game and I smiled and told him "a shut out looks much better in the papers, but you got greedy."
He was so mad you would've thought he lost the game.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Apr 16, 2016 21:31:42 GMT -6
Up 41-7 early in the 4th I put in my JV. The other team leaves their starters in. In one series our guys suffer 2 concussions and a dislocated elbow. Next series I put my starters back in and we score again. I get dogged out after the game for running up the score. I'll never do that again. I'm not going to let a bunch of seniors beat up my young guys so they can feel a little bit better about themselves, especially when I'm going to get blamed for running up the score no matter what I do....
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Post by CS on Apr 17, 2016 5:08:41 GMT -6
Beat a team once 60 something to 14. They were blitzing their first team against our backups. Soph rb getting killed. Threw screen for two td's in 4th quarter. The other team seemed to be fine, but it got back to me that week that their AD was complaining and said "no team should ever score 60 on another team. That is poor sportsmanship." No joke, that very next Friday their team beat someone 60 something to zero. LOL Beat a team 55-0 once in a similar situation. Their coach was livid after the game. Only time I have ever had a coach make a scene and be mad at me after a varsity game. What was funny is that he said " we might not know how to stop that play, but next year we will practice all week to stop it." I was like wth? That is an embarrassing thing to say. What is funny is that they already weren't on the schedule for next year!! LMAO I almost said, " hey dumbass, we don't even play next year." But I thought better of it and just shook his hand and went to the locker room. Wow
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Post by godandgus on Apr 17, 2016 6:02:34 GMT -6
I have always had the philosophy that It is my job to hold the score down if I am getting lit up. But it doesn't mean I forget and I remind my kids on days they want to drag their butts in the weight room. Make it make you better.
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Post by dytmook on Apr 17, 2016 13:51:18 GMT -6
The first coach and I spoke later and I explained to him our special teams situation and he said he was just upset about losing, two years ago however he had no problem beating our team by 48 points. The 2nd team sealed his fate and I will look to break the state scoring record on them this season. Bottom line get upset at the scores if you want, it is a waste of time. Get you team better and don't get beat so bad. I wouldn't go that far. You put your kids at risk if you do that. Win and get out, let him stew.
We got beat badly several times this year and there was a situation with one team were I thought they should probably have their 1's out and low and behold one of them got hurt in a pointless play up by 35 in the fourth.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 17, 2016 13:54:41 GMT -6
The first coach and I spoke later and I explained to him our special teams situation and he said he was just upset about losing, two years ago however he had no problem beating our team by 48 points. The 2nd team sealed his fate and I will look to break the state scoring record on them this season. Bottom line get upset at the scores if you want, it is a waste of time. Get you team better and don't get beat so bad. I wouldn't go that far. You put your kids at risk if you do that. Win and get out, let him stew.
We got beat badly several times this year and there was a situation with one team were I thought they should probably have their 1's out and low and behold one of them got hurt in a pointless play up by 35 in the fourth.
Also, there is always the chance that a hot head 16 year old decides to cheap shot one of your kids.
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Post by dytmook on Apr 17, 2016 14:14:33 GMT -6
Yup
We knew we were down this year and could tell a few teams were trying to get back at us a bit...nothing too terrible but we could tell.
My favorite story about blow outs was one year a team beat us 69-10, it was a track meet for them. Next year we play them and go down 21-3. They got a little cocky and we stormed back to win 58-55.
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Post by rosey65 on Apr 21, 2016 7:44:38 GMT -6
You'll never make everyone happy, and more likely always piss at least a few people off. I think lochness made the point, WE are to lead our teams with integrity, regardless of what THEY decide to do. We platoon, and the dropoff from our 1's to 2's is more often than not Grand Canyon-esque. When we go up big, we always have to tread lightly when it comes to subs. We'll usually work up to subbing our entire defense, but try and match a dog with a dog. We'll play the scrub LB's and DL, but we're not going to match our 5'6" So DB against their 6'4" receiver. We have in the past, and the 24-point lead evaporated with 3 consecutive passes. We will rarely will be sub the entire offense, mostly because the 2nd OL will get someone hurt. If the defense has their 2's in, we'll sub the OL but try and keep the ball outside. We haven't had a lot of turnover in our area, so most of the coaches have faced each other for years. We all do a fairly good job of keeping things honest, on both sides of a blowout. Haha...quick story..our HC was facing his old program for the first time, where he had been an assistant for 17 years. We did everyhting we could offensively to keep the game close, but had 4 rushing td's over 50 yards in the first half. The other team TWICE punted backwards, once to the 5 and once all the way into the endzone. They muffed a punt on their own 5. They spent the whole game in gun, never once offered to help their bad RT against our D-1 DE, who had 5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles. Final was 60's-0. The other HC had a fairly loud profanity-laced tirade from across the field once the game ended. We're all friends again now, but it was ugly for a while.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 21, 2016 7:55:56 GMT -6
You coach your team. You can only coach your team. It's not your job to help the other coaches coach their teams or to help prevent your teams from scoring. IMO, those coaches complaining about it tells me more about their character than anything else. This isn't peewee football. I understand being upset about something say being up 35 with 2 minutes left and you onside kick...but to call your offense and defense? No. Call it the way the situation calls for, I'm going to - regardless of the score. I will also say - if I feel someone is being a jack@$$ about the game and I feel like they are being unsportsmanlike during the game or after the game...Enjoy your win today a$$hat, we will get bigger, stronger, better and when we walk out and I'm carring the bigger sword, I will swing it without mercy and they can b!tch all they want. F off. We didn't complain, we got better. My first year of coaching we got beat by a really good team 61-6. After the game their HC told our HC "you know, if you can't field a better team than that, I'm not sure why you're out here." The reality of that situation was he had some horses and we were playing a bunch of sophomores. The following year his horses were gone and our sophomores were juniors. We beat them 20-6 and the year after we were up 44-0 at halftime. We never lost to his team again. While we talked about what he said to us internally with each other, after our games we just shook their hand and said "good game" no matter what. The next time that you have another coach call you out, think about these 3 things: 1- THIS 2- THIS 3- THIS
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Post by hunhdisciple on Apr 21, 2016 8:40:28 GMT -6
Every year from 2005-2013, our main rival destroyed us. Like, we had a BB gun with no BB's and they had 200 tanks. They never pulled starters, kept piling it on. Kept going up tempo and throwing. Ultimately, it should have fallen on us to stop them and play better.
However, we beat them in a decently close game in 14. This year, though, the tables were turned. The game was over before halftime, and we pulled all of our starters. They kept their starters in, in an attempt to salvage something. With a running clock, we didn't have to ask our young guys to do much. But, late in the 4th, the other team started driving. And our starters weren't pleased. So, we called time out and subbed everyone back in for the last drive. We preserved the shut out against them (for the first time in 20+ years) and didn't think anything of it. They had kept everyone going all game for years, and we put guys in for the last few plays.
However, we were called classless, their HC refused to shake hands. At the trophy presentstion, his team refused to participate. He initially didn't accept their consolation prize, and stormed off at the trophy presentstion.
Now, the post game stuff has always been the same. And, in the games where we lost by 50+, we always stayed and behaved like sane adults.
He's suddenly trying to get out of our contract, because he doesn't think we play the game right. But, we've got them locked in for the next 4 years, and they don't look to be any better. So, he might complain again that he isn't the one getting to win big.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 21, 2016 8:43:54 GMT -6
I've been "run up on" before, I follow strict rules when down by a lot:
Stop blitzing Put some 2's in Don't call timeouts unless necessary (10 on field) Do what you would do in a normal situation (punt when you punt, FG when you FG, kick regular KOs, PAT if you PAT) Don't throw when on running clock unless it's a bubble/screen
If I'm blitzing w/ my 1's you should throw deep on me w/ your 2's. 2 way street.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 21, 2016 9:50:39 GMT -6
I wouldn't concern myself with the other team too much, but it should raise some awareness on your part:
1) Are my 2's in? If not you're in the wrong. When we blow teams out we give our 1's until half-time OR until we get the running clock, then we sub. If we get to the 4th and it's out of hand we will sub (with or without running clock). BUT our backups play intermixed with our starters at some point in most games, so they're will be some dudes still in there.
2) You run your offense. What's more detrimental, running your young kid with a JV OL into the teeth of the offense or having the other coach mad because you throw 3step with a JV QB? For us, we are reading plays, so our JV QB WILL throw the ball if you load the box...and we want him to do that. We have, at times, told him to give it no matter what but those times are few and far between.
3) We WILL stop kicking onsides and squib it deep when things are out of hand. We WILL punt as well, which is something we normally don't do.
The only people I'm concerned about are my kids, my kids' families, and our admin...the other head coach doesn't sign my paycheck. And besides, if the tables were turned (which they were here for many years) they'd run it up on you.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 21, 2016 9:52:09 GMT -6
I've been on both ends of this...the pi$$ed and the pi$$er! I think you can tell when a coach is running it up or being a di#@. In those cases, yeah it is reasonable to let the other guy know you think he is a turd. But in some instances, the other team is just that much better. In that case, you had better be able to swallow the bitter pill of defeat and take it like a man. I remember a situation in the playoffs one year, we still had most of our starters in as we were getting our butts handed to us. The other team had their 2's in, and frankly the 2's were as good as our starters. We mostly did it for the seniors to finish out their careers out on the field, not to try and put it to another teams backups. We eventually scored at the end of the game, a 4 year starter at QB threw a smash to a senior receiver. Frankly, I was glad these guys went out on a positive note. The radio announcers were having a fit we still had the starters in, but so what. After the game the opposing coach knew exactly what we were doing and was great about it. Agreed. NO trick plays, no LINEMAN running the ball etc...that is more unsportsman-like to me than someone scoring at will when the game's out of hand.
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 21, 2016 10:46:50 GMT -6
We had a situation once that had us kind of baffled, but we were stomping a team pretty bad with our 2's in. Game was winding down and they had the ball with their starters and they were driving. Our DC gets bent because they are not subbing, so we put our 1's back in for a couple of plays and pulled them back out, thinking they would do the same, they didn't. So then they start calling time out with less then a minute and they are within the 10.
We decided to keep the subs in and lo and behold they stopped them. After the game our coaches were kind of grousing about him having his starters in, when their HC came thru the line to shake our hands he stopped and apologized for leaving the 1's in. Said they were really trying to rebuild and start an era of toughness, and the mind set to never give up. Made a lot of sense and I respected that. That was the last year we played them, but they did turn it around the next few years and are having some success.
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Post by dytmook on Apr 21, 2016 12:46:01 GMT -6
We had a situation once that had us kind of baffled, but we were stomping a team pretty bad with our 2's in. Game was winding down and they had the ball with their starters and they were driving. Our DC gets bent because they are not subbing, so we put our 1's back in for a couple of plays and pulled them back out, thinking they would do the same, they didn't. So then they start calling time out with less then a minute and they are within the 10. We decided to keep the subs in and lo and behold they stopped them. After the game our coaches were kind of grousing about him having his starters in, when their HC came thru the line to shake our hands he stopped and apologized for leaving the 1's in. Said they were really trying to rebuild and start an era of toughness, and the mind set to never give up. Made a lot of sense and I respected that. That was the last year we played them, but they did turn it around the next few years and are having some success. That's why there are two sides to a story and he had the dangling things to explain and stand of for his action.
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Post by mikeyg on Apr 21, 2016 13:27:45 GMT -6
Been on both sides of the ball with this situation. Thankfully there is a 45 point mercy rule in 8 man around here to help keep these situations from happening. Our coaching staff firmly believe that no team should ever be humiliated like that. The thing I can't stand is when a coach keeps his 1s in even when we sub in 2s.
Thankfully the last few seasons we have been on the winning side of the ball. We try the best we can to not run up the score but if you won't let up neither will we. We will give you a chance to sub but if you keep up the heat don't come crying after the game is over. Once we at least get a firm lead we usually start slowly pulling 1s and subbing in the younger guys. We try to let everybody get some playing time and depending on how the opposing coach wants to play determines how much of a prick we are.
Case in point. We were playing a team this past season that was known to hammer down on teams they could 45 just because they could. Well halftime rolls around and we are up 34-0. Come out to start the 3rd and we start with 2s and 3s. They go down and score and kick an onside kick. they recover and go score. It is now 34-14. They kick an onside again and we recover it this time. So we go out with 2s and 3s still and they send in their 1s. Not that big of a deal to us. We understand that they want to see how their D will react after being down big. They bring the house 3 downs in a row and absolutely annihilate our scrubs. So 4th down we send in our 1s and punt. We go back out on D and apologize to the subs because 1s are going back in. 1s go in and shut them down. 1s go in on O and go score. So we keep in 1s and send them home by mercy rule before the 3rd quarter is even over. The HC of the other team was miffed and wouldn't even look us in the eye when we shook hands. We are switching classes next year but needless to say I hope we play that coach again to see if he learned his lesson.
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Post by gators1422 on Apr 23, 2016 15:43:43 GMT -6
Usually the people losing are losers for a reason. Instead of looking in the mirror and saying we need to get better they blame others for something like leaving starters in or throwing on 3rd down. We have had quite a big of success and put alot of running clocks the last few years. There were two times that you could have said we were out of line, both were this season. We played our rival who's coach had run his mouth about one of our assistants publicly. Well we put as many as we could on them before half, ended up being 58-0 @ half and we scored with less than a min before halftime. Gave it to our senior center for a TD. The other instance was a school in our district turned us in for recruiting which was investigated and nothing came of it. We played them and our DC told their head coach before the game don't ask for a running clock take your @$$ beating like a man. The team was actually good(7-3) but we were salty this year. We beat them 60-6 leaving the starters in until the beginning of the 4th, running clock the entire 2nd half. We ran 17 offensive plays. It was 40-0 at the half, obviously made us feel good but their kids probably didn't deserve that.
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Post by the1mitch on May 9, 2016 20:45:55 GMT -6
Being an old guy, I've seen just about everything. My epiphany occurred on the sideline of a 9th grade game in 1984. We were up by 24 in the 2nd qtr and I felt a tap on my shoulder. It was a dad who asked "how big a lead was enough?" My assistant (an older guy)grabbed the dad and hustled him off the field. I was about as mad and confused at the same time as you can be. The dad was right. How often does a team come back when down like that playing 10 minute quarters? Any way fast forward to now and I'm the old guy who is breaking in young fire breathers who want to pile on when we can. I tell them that story before the season and we sub when we're up by 3 TD's. Period it doesn't matter who we're playing, even jerks have kids playing for them who don't deserve humiliation.
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