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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 11, 2016 14:45:00 GMT -6
Trying to help some of my guys choose camps and am not 100% certain on how the no satellite camp rule works.
does that mean only coaches from that university can work that camp? So at Ohio State there can no longer be coaches from MAC schools and smaller programs?
Or is it strictly to prohibit Michigan from holding a camp in Florida?
any clarity would be great, thanks
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 11, 2016 15:05:59 GMT -6
That is correct
College coaches can only coach at camps at their school facilities or facilities they regularly practice or play games in
So correct, no more Mac schools at Ohio state
Sucks for me, we were hosting a Michigan camp
I've already spent $300 out of pocket for insurance... I think I should sue NCAA
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Post by hsrose on Apr 11, 2016 15:07:29 GMT -6
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Post by carookie on Apr 11, 2016 15:34:19 GMT -6
Does anyone know about college coaches working camps through 3rd parties? We would always have a camp at our school that was hosted by a well connected local athletic training gym. The gym would make money and get their name out there, college coaches would come and work drills and get to scout/recruit the talent, and us coaches got to network with the college coaches (not to mention the drinks, dinners, and perks attached).
Some of the coaches were local, but most were out of state. We actually got a couple guys offered out of these by small schools. Are these still legal?
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Post by wingtol on Apr 11, 2016 15:59:53 GMT -6
Can that be right? So a camp like Ohio St where you probably get 1000's of kids and only Ohio St coaches can work it? So will that mean the Ohio St staff telling a bunch of HS coaches what to do with 900 kids while they work with 100 (hypothetical numbers there)?
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 11, 2016 17:01:41 GMT -6
Can that be right? So a camp like Ohio St where you probably get 1000's of kids and only Ohio St coaches can work it? So will that mean the Ohio St staff telling a bunch of HS coaches what to do with 900 kids while they work with 100 (hypothetical numbers there)? That's correct |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 11, 2016 17:48:06 GMT -6
Can that be right? So a camp like Ohio St where you probably get 1000's of kids and only Ohio St coaches can work it? So will that mean the Ohio St staff telling a bunch of HS coaches what to do with 900 kids while they work with 100 (hypothetical numbers there)? That's correct That's gonna kill college camps. |
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 11, 2016 17:50:03 GMT -6
That's gonna kill college camps. correct... everyone is pretty upset about it the SEC got butt hurt, they whined a lot... NCAA caved in to them ... and now the kids, small colleges, and high schools who host satellite camps are the ones who lose out the satellite camp we were planning was going to be a big fundraiser for us ... that is gone now |
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 11, 2016 17:50:39 GMT -6
That's gonna kill college camps. That's always has been the case. Not going to kill it. at UGA Dawg Nite. They average 700 kids, top 100 on 1 field the rest Analyst, GA's and guys like me. FCS and below can still do satellite camps |
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 11, 2016 17:52:23 GMT -6
That's gonna kill college camps. correct... everyone is pretty upset about it the SEC got butt hurt, they whined a lot... NCAA caved in to them ... and now the kids, small colleges, and high schools who host satellite camps are the ones who lose out the satellite camp we were planning was going to be a big fundraiser for us ... that is gone now While the SEC was mad, not there issue anyone. PAC-12 vote no, The ACC voted no, so did the Sun Belt and MWC and I can't understand. It was a 7-5 conference vote on the ban. SEC had 1 vote, we have to hold the other 6 accountable! |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 11, 2016 17:54:34 GMT -6
That's gonna kill college camps. That's always has been the case. Not going to kill it. at UGA Dawg Nite. They average 700 kids, top 100 on 1 field the rest Analyst, GA's and guys like me. FCS and below can still do satellite camps I always thought there were at least other college coaches at the camps working so kids could get exposure. Like go to Ohio St camp because coaches from X,Y,and Z will be ther too. I know local D 2 guys would go work camps at Big Ten schools so they could look at kids, that out the window now? |
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Post by poundtherock1 on Apr 11, 2016 17:56:31 GMT -6
That's always has been the case. Not going to kill it. at UGA Dawg Nite. They average 700 kids, top 100 on 1 field the rest Analyst, GA's and guys like me. FCS and below can still do satellite camps I always thought there were at least other college coaches at the camps working so kids could get exposure. Like go to Ohio St camp because coaches from X,Y,and Z will be ther too. I know local D 2 guys would go work camps at Big Ten schools so they could look at kids, that out the window now? It only applies to FBS. So Ohio's staff couldn't work at Ohio State. Western Illinois or someone like that could. FCS and below can still go evaluate kids at other camps. |
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 11, 2016 18:02:00 GMT -6
I always thought there were at least other college coaches at the camps working so kids could get exposure. Like go to Ohio St camp because coaches from X,Y,and Z will be ther too. I know local D 2 guys would go work camps at Big Ten schools so they could look at kids, that out the window now? It only applies to FBS. So Ohio's staff couldn't work at Ohio State. Western Illinois or someone like that could. FCS and below can still go evaluate kids at other camps. This is true It only applies to D1 FBS schools |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 11, 2016 18:44:49 GMT -6
I always thought there were at least other college coaches at the camps working so kids could get exposure. Like go to Ohio St camp because coaches from X,Y,and Z will be ther too. I know local D 2 guys would go work camps at Big Ten schools so they could look at kids, that out the window now? It only applies to FBS. So Ohio's staff couldn't work at Ohio State. Western Illinois or someone like that could. FCS and below can still go evaluate kids at other camps. All cleared up for me now thanks! |
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 11, 2016 19:23:25 GMT -6
That's always has been the case. Not going to kill it. at UGA Dawg Nite. They average 700 kids, top 100 on 1 field the rest Analyst, GA's and guys like me. FCS and below can still do satellite camps I always thought there were at least other college coaches at the camps working so kids could get exposure. Like go to Ohio St camp because coaches from X,Y,and Z will be ther too. I know local D 2 guys would go work camps at Big Ten schools so they could look at kids, that out the window now? There are coach! a lot of D3, FCS help but you are correct that the studs get treated differently! |
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Post by fantom on Apr 11, 2016 20:13:55 GMT -6
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 11, 2016 20:42:46 GMT -6
There are a lot of things to consider with this including the fact that small schools, low income families, and Polynesian athletes will be negatively effected. However, I hate to admit this but like with most things in life we often wonder how this effects us, and by us i mean high school coaches.
I do know that athletes transferring in high school is a major issue in SoCal and these satellite camps have become a bit of a rat race over here. Meaning, if you're a school who hosts a satellite camp, you can easily go around and say "hey (insert college here) had a camp here at ABC High school. XYZ high scho can't do that so you should come to school with us. It can be a way in some ways for the rich to get richer also. Michigan hosts practice at IMG Academy. It's a win-win. Michigan gets the IMG recruits and IMG can say that the top schools in the country go to them.
I think that eliminating satellite camps helps keep down the illegal high school recruiting- at least in 1 way- in some regions of the country. In no way am I saying this is a major factor to consider when it comes to the NCAA and it probably shouldn't be, but it can be a factor in some corners of the world nonetheless.
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 12, 2016 9:39:28 GMT -6
So in light of this change how are you advising your players? I told them to hit specific camps because I knew who would be there and if a satellite came to the area, no harm no foul. Now do you just target the level you think they'll fit best at? I guess it only impacts d1 level kids but it was nice having some one stop shops that had big d1 mid majors fcs and so on at them.
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