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Post by nltdiego on Mar 31, 2016 10:55:26 GMT -6
What's your opinion on seniors that quit. Reflection of program? Curious if a coach should change anything if each year 2/3 seniors quit.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 31, 2016 11:07:28 GMT -6
Most seniors that quit football, should.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 31, 2016 11:08:13 GMT -6
Each year 2/3 of seniors quit? Yes something is wrong. Might not be the coach, but something is wrong somewhere.
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Post by nltdiego on Mar 31, 2016 11:44:55 GMT -6
I kind of disagree... I think it actually proves football is tough.
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Post by blb on Mar 31, 2016 11:50:48 GMT -6
What's your opinion on seniors that quit. Reflection of program? Curious if a coach should change anything if each year 2/3 seniors quit.
Is that two or three Seniors, or two-thirds of your Seniors?
If it's the latter, there is something wrong, but would need more information.
Is the program losing consistently? Are they opting to specialize, such as playing Fall Baseball?
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Post by realdawg on Mar 31, 2016 11:51:51 GMT -6
Are they starters or are they seniors who feel entitled to start but are beat out by underclassmen?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 31, 2016 11:55:52 GMT -6
What's your opinion on seniors that quit. Reflection of program? Curious if a coach should change anything if each year 2/3 seniors quit.
Is that two or three Seniors, or two-thirds of your Seniors?
If it's the latter, there is something wrong, but would need more information.
Is the program losing consistently? Are they opting to specialize, such as playing Fall Baseball?
Absolutely changes it. 2 or 3 is a non-issue. 2 out of 3 every year and something is wrong |
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Post by centercoach on Mar 31, 2016 11:56:52 GMT -6
if it is 2-3 seniors a year depending on the size of your team and their playing time. if its TWO THIRDS of your seniors than its something wrong with the coach and the program
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Post by oriolepower on Mar 31, 2016 13:29:22 GMT -6
It could mean a lot of different things. It could mean they see the writing on the wall and don't want to put in the hard work. It could also mean the program doesn't value kids that are team members and if you don't start you don't matter. It could also mean Mom, Dad, or some other influence in their life tells them they need money to pay for college, support a child, or pay for their car.
Obviously some reasons are a reflection on the program and some are not. Its tough to build a culture where every contributor matters especially in a society that seems to value it less and less.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 31, 2016 15:21:37 GMT -6
@ntldiego, need an answer on 2 or 3 or 2 out of 3.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 31, 2016 15:24:33 GMT -6
Its not the Navy Seals for crying out loud.
if 2 seniors quit and you didn't also pick up some new bodies...Id already be doing some soul searching.
If 2/3 of the senior class search, youd better be job searching.
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Post by vicvinegar on Mar 31, 2016 15:53:50 GMT -6
Being that he said each year, I'll assume he means 2 or 3 because I can't imagine 2/3's of a senior class quitting every year. That being said, that's perfectly normal. From my experience, these are seniors who see the writing on the wall that they won't be playing much, so they choose not to play. The seniors that quit on us this year were guys who saw little to no PT on JV as juniors.
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Post by carookie on Mar 31, 2016 16:08:01 GMT -6
Even if it is 2 to 3 seniors every year, that seems like a problem; of course this is pending the size of your school. Most big schools I've been at usually have about 100+ freshman come out, and I would say more than half of them don't return as a soph. In most cases they just wanted to try football (which is fine) or they see that there are a lot of guys ahead of them.
We usually end up with about 45 sophomores, and subsequently 45 juniors (some quit, others add new). With that size, I don't think its rare to see a kid or two decide going into their senior year that they don't want to do it anymore. Heck, even for the most lax programs there is a lot of work to put forward; moreover some kids need to get jobs, others need to focus on grades, and yeah some of them would rather party (the Randall Floyd route). It doesnt always mean there is a problem with the program. There are things that go on for kids outside of football.
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Post by coachirish on Mar 31, 2016 17:00:15 GMT -6
Every year we get anywhere from 3-5 first year seniors come out, work out all off season and then quit a few days into spring ball. They realize that they are way too behind and bail. Occasionally an athletic one will make it and contribute. If it's 2-3 of 1st year seniors, no sweat.
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Post by chi5hi on Mar 31, 2016 19:09:16 GMT -6
Are you talking about kids who have practiced, been issued gear, and are on the roster then quit...or are you talking about kids that you expected to come out for the team but just didn't show up?
Either way, if kids are having fun, they usually hang around. If its not an enjoyable experience no one wants to be there.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Mar 31, 2016 20:18:01 GMT -6
We have 2 or 3 quit every year for various, although pretty crappy reasons.
This year one of them quit early in the season once he realized that he wasn't ever going to start safety again.
A few years ago, we had a kid quit before a game. Like, we were loading the bus, and he took his jersey off and said he was quitting. Because his girlfriend was going to break up with him because he spent too much time with football.
We've never had an important senior quit. It's almost always kids who we were surprised had made it that far anyways.
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Post by rosey65 on Apr 1, 2016 9:32:45 GMT -6
We usually have 2-3 seniors quit every year. Sometimes it is seniors who realize they wont get any PT, and sometimes its a few who realize they WILL be getting PT, and are too scared to be put on the field (no lie, thats usually once a year). I think it all depends on not who quits, but why they quit, nltdiego . We had a 2-year starting RB quit his senior year after his dad packed up and left his family of 5, forcing him as the oldest to get a job to pay bills. We hugged him, and did what we could to get his family help, even bringing them food on the holidays. Some things are much bigger than our game. |
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Post by dytmook on Apr 1, 2016 9:46:29 GMT -6
We had a linebacker kid try quit the day before a playoff game. Kid was a bit of a head case. He played and was fine, but he was crazy all over the place.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 1, 2016 10:50:38 GMT -6
Most seniors that quit football, should. Truth. Never had a "dude" quit. Was always guys who just weren't football guys. |
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Post by John Knight on Apr 1, 2016 10:55:24 GMT -6
We had two Turds quit at halftime of the last game their senior year. Neither had given much and we weren't very good but what a legacy!
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 1, 2016 12:45:54 GMT -6
Kids give up sports for many reasons. Some because they have no chance to play. Some for work. Some because they're burned out. It's never just one thing.
I always look at who and why. Sometimes I say good riddance. Sometimes I look at it and say what did we do wrong?
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Post by fantom on Apr 1, 2016 13:29:29 GMT -6
First I'd have to define the term "quit". To me, a first year senior who quits during 2-a-days isn't a quitter. He just decided that it wasn't for him.
For a long time we never had a senior quit but the last few years we've had some. The year-round practice schedule got a couple of them. Both were baseball players who decided that fall ball was more fun than football practice.
This year we had two seniors quit in-season. One was a returning starter at CB who wasn't playing well. When we told him that we were moving an underclassman ahead of him he cussed us out and walked off (We also "benched" the other returning senior CB. He stayed, competed, and won his job back before the practice ended). The other quitter was a weird situation. He was the #2 TB and when we told him that we were making him the starter he quit.
So, to me you have to evaluate every situation.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 1, 2016 14:00:18 GMT -6
The other quitter was a weird situation. He was the #2 TB and when we told him that we were making him the starter he quit. Yep, that makes sense. LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 9:12:59 GMT -6
What's your opinion on seniors that quit. Reflection of program? Curious if a coach should change anything if each year 2/3 seniors quit. If 2/3rds are quitting every year, then something is very wrong with the culture. Why are they quitting? You need to find this out and address the problem if it's something you can control. |
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Post by blb on Apr 4, 2016 7:00:45 GMT -6
I kind of disagree... I think it actually proves football is tough.
Apparently OP gave the answer he wanted.
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Post by **** on Apr 4, 2016 8:36:28 GMT -6
I kind of disagree... I think it actually proves football is tough. You think its okay if 66% of your players quit their senior year? |
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 4, 2016 8:46:26 GMT -6
Depending on the size of your program, even losing 2-3 every year may be a big deal. If you've only got a team of 25 on average, you don't want to lose around 10% every year.
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Post by fantom on Apr 4, 2016 9:21:12 GMT -6
I kind of disagree... I think it actually proves football is tough. You think its okay if 66% of your players quit their senior year? One of us read the OP wrong. I thought he meant two or three, not two-thirds. |
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Post by silkyice on Apr 4, 2016 9:26:23 GMT -6
@ntldiego, need an answer on 2 or 3 or 2 out of 3. @ntldiego, please respond. Is it 2 out of 3 that quit, or only 2 or so that quit each year? |
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 4, 2016 9:47:24 GMT -6
I think it's pretty safe to say he meant 2 or 3.. no two thirds... He wouldn't have a job to be posting about if that happened. We can probably put that question to bed.
I think if it's seniors who have been in the program for a while, its situational.. other sports, girlfriend, family situation, whatever it might be. If you're a big program, guys are going to quit because they won't play. I doubt the guys you really want are quitting.. don't worry about it.
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