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Post by groundchuck on Mar 22, 2016 19:40:36 GMT -6
Is this a new trend for the military to get juniors to enlist, then go away for the summer to complete basic training a year early? I know of several schools who have kids, in some cases good players, going away and coming back in late August after practice starts.
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Post by brophy on Mar 22, 2016 20:03:30 GMT -6
Split enlistment has been going on for at least 10 years. Its primarily geared for getting kids into Reserve or National Guard assignments
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 23, 2016 4:46:55 GMT -6
Srsly? That's a little messed up.
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Post by veerman on Mar 23, 2016 6:30:49 GMT -6
Why is it messed up?? We are talking about the people that gives us our freedom. Who cares if they come back a little late if those kids want to do that.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 23, 2016 6:38:46 GMT -6
I've had a couple kids do this. They were in decent shape when they left, but in outstanding shape when they returned. The biggest gain was obviously their mental capacity and toughness.
I wish I could've shipped a few more off to boot camp prior to the season.
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 23, 2016 8:25:37 GMT -6
Yes. This is geared towards Reservists especially those going to college. They have been doing this since the mid 90's from what I know. Maybe earlier.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 23, 2016 11:14:32 GMT -6
I wouldn't say it's messed up. I was curious. It seems like it's more common now. I just think it's a tough choice for an athlete to have to give up 1-2 weeks of practice ands camps and stuff when he/she could do basic later......or spend that senior year and say gee I really don't want to go into the service after all.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 23, 2016 12:01:20 GMT -6
Is this a new trend for the military to get juniors to enlist, then go away for the summer to complete basic training a year early? I know of several schools who have kids, in some cases good players, going away and coming back in late August after practice starts. Haven't had any football players do it, ours are too soft But I had a female student do it when I first started working here She was a really motivated girl who knew exactly what she wanted to do with her life and is making a ton of money from the army right now She did her basic training early |
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 23, 2016 14:40:16 GMT -6
Why is it messed up?? We are talking about the people that gives us our freedom. Who cares if they come back a little late if those kids want to do that. Cuz they're 16? |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 23, 2016 14:45:05 GMT -6
Let's see how basic training could POSSIBLY affect a young man...
A kid gets shipped off (no mommy/no daddy)
A drill instructor constantly telling them they're not the sh!t (like they were back on the block-humility)
Up at 5am (actually 4:55 because you saw what happened to the guy who slept in)
Bed at 10pm (you were tired enough to go to sleep an hour ago)
Running non-stop in between (literally)
Stress levels of epic proportions (when it's 4th and short, he doesn't blink)
Obstacle courses that have life or death implications (enough said)
5 minutes (maybe) to eat a six course meal (you learn to eat your dessert first-decision making)
Firewatch (staying up to watch over their buddies-accountability)
Field training (no x-box in the field)
Marksmanship (attention to detail and concentration)
Extra push ups at night (cause you're not sure if "Jody Boy" is banging your girl, and you might need to lay down an a$$ whooping when you get home-intrinsic motivation)
Washing clothes by hand (nothing comes easy)
Shining shoes to a spit shine (pride)
Close order drill/Marching (until you start shouting commands in your sleep-repetition)
Regular physical testing (and the distance you train for may save your life or someone else's-scholarship/smolarship)
Graduation (a sense of accomplishment-something earned, not given)
If kids could see the end from the beginning, armed services wouldn't need recruiters, and we'd have a lot less 'how to I develop leaders in my program?' threads.
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Post by chi5hi on Mar 23, 2016 15:10:46 GMT -6
Let's see how basic training could POSSIBLY affect a young man... A kid gets shipped off (no mommy/no daddy) A drill instructor constantly telling them they're not the sh!t (like they were back on the block-humility) Up at 5am (actually 4:55 because you saw what happened to the guy who slept in) Bed at 10pm (you were tired enough to go to sleep an hour ago) Running non-stop in between (literally) Stress levels of epic proportions (when it's 4th and short, he doesn't blink) Obstacle courses that have life or death implications (enough said) 5 minutes (maybe) to eat a six course meal (you learn to eat your dessert first-decision making) Firewatch (staying up to watch over their buddies-accountability) Field training (no x-box in the field) Marksmanship (attention to detail and concentration) Extra push ups at night (cause you're not sure if "Jody Boy" is banging your girl, and you might need to lay down an a$$ whooping when you get home-intrinsic motivation) Washing clothes by hand (nothing comes easy) Shining shoes to a spit shine (pride) Close order drill/Marching (until you start shouting commands in your sleep-repetition) Regular physical testing (and the distance you train for may save your life or someone else's-scholarship/smolarship) Graduation (a sense of accomplishment-something earned, not given) If kids could see the end from the beginning, armed services wouldn't need recruiters, and we'd have a lot less 'how to I develop leaders in my program?' threads. LOL! The first guy I looked for was ANYONE named Jody! Those great college teams of the late '40's and early 50's were full of veterans who were going to school on the G.I. Bill. There was not much left to teach about "teamwork". |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 23, 2016 15:44:07 GMT -6
Let's see how basic training could POSSIBLY affect a young man... A kid gets shipped off (no mommy/no daddy) A drill instructor constantly telling them they're not the sh!t (like they were back on the block-humility) Up at 5am (actually 4:55 because you saw what happened to the guy who slept in) Bed at 10pm (you were tired enough to go to sleep an hour ago) Running non-stop in between (literally) Stress levels of epic proportions (when it's 4th and short, he doesn't blink) Obstacle courses that have life or death implications (enough said) 5 minutes (maybe) to eat a six course meal (you learn to eat your dessert first-decision making) Firewatch (staying up to watch over their buddies-accountability) Field training (no x-box in the field) Marksmanship (attention to detail and concentration) Extra push ups at night (cause you're not sure if "Jody Boy" is banging your girl, and you might need to lay down an a$$ whooping when you get home-intrinsic motivation) Washing clothes by hand (nothing comes easy) Shining shoes to a spit shine (pride) Close order drill/Marching (until you start shouting commands in your sleep-repetition) Regular physical testing (and the distance you train for may save your life or someone else's-scholarship/smolarship) Graduation (a sense of accomplishment-something earned, not given) If kids could see the end from the beginning, armed services wouldn't need recruiters, and we'd have a lot less 'how to I develop leaders in my program?' threads. LOL! The first guy I looked for was ANYONE named Jody! Those great college teams of the late '40's and early 50's were full of veterans who were going to school on the G.I. Bill. There was not much left to teach about "teamwork". No kidding, Coach. I cuffed up a couple guys just based on bad dreams I had. Ha! One of my favorite athletes of all-time is Ted Williams based on his service record (at the peak of his career) and the life he lived. 39 combat missions in Korea. Few people tell those stories to kids anymore. |
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 23, 2016 16:38:26 GMT -6
Can't argue with the teamwork and mental training end of it I guess.
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Post by chi5hi on Mar 23, 2016 16:46:09 GMT -6
LOL! The first guy I looked for was ANYONE named Jody! Those great college teams of the late '40's and early 50's were full of veterans who were going to school on the G.I. Bill. There was not much left to teach about "teamwork". No kidding, Coach. I cuffed up a couple guys just based on bad dreams I had. Ha! One of my favorite athletes of all-time is Ted Williams based on his service record (at the peak of his career) and the life he lived. 39 combat missions in Korea. Few people tell those stories to kids anymore. Glad you're back, Bro. |
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Post by veerman on Mar 23, 2016 17:37:18 GMT -6
Why is it messed up?? We are talking about the people that gives us our freedom. Who cares if they come back a little late if those kids want to do that. Cuz they're 16? And just like with football they are making a choice to do this. Again if a kid wanted to do this I would support him 100%!! Punishing a kid or not supporting him in this decision is kinda selfish. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 23, 2016 18:15:00 GMT -6
And just like with football they are making a choice to do this. Again if a kid wanted to do this I would support him 100%!! Punishing a kid or not supporting him in this decision is kinda selfish. I'm not talking about the football side of this. |
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Post by veerman on Mar 24, 2016 6:33:59 GMT -6
Ok, so if a Jr in high school wants to do this, his parents are ok with it(they have to be in these cases), and its going to pay for his college education, your against that?? I'm not thinking about it from a football side either, I'm thinking of it from a...this kid wants to fight for my/his country, and I'll support that 100%. Plus it helps him for his future profession.
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Post by natenator on Mar 24, 2016 7:13:38 GMT -6
Ok, so if a Jr in high school wants to do this, his parents are ok with it(they have to be in these cases), and its going to pay for his college education, your against that?? I'm not thinking about it from a football side either, I'm thinking of it from a...this kid wants to fight for my/his country, and I'll support that 100%. Plus it helps him for his future profession. The keyword in your post is KID. Think about that for a second. That's what Chris was alluding to. |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 24, 2016 9:09:11 GMT -6
I tell kids all the time, the military is not for everyone. I totally understand what Chis is saying.
The kid that I referenced was a junior going into his senior year. I think he was 16 or 17 at the time. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone younger than that.
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Post by veerman on Mar 24, 2016 10:25:58 GMT -6
I agree Military is not for everyone, neither is sports. Last I check they don't force anyone to be a part of the military anymore, these kids want to do this, and I applaud them for it.
I just find it a bit hypocritical when it has in OP question that a concern was good players leaving and not coming back till after practice starts.
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Post by gccwolverine on Mar 24, 2016 12:29:46 GMT -6
Why is it messed up?? We are talking about the people that gives us our freedom. Who cares if they come back a little late if those kids want to do that. Cuz they're 16? This. A 16 year old kid shouldn't be making that decision yet, and personally I don't think military recruiters should be in the schools. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this and I realize its always been that way but I don't think military recruiters have any business in high schools giving high pressured sales pitches to adolescent teens that haven't necessarily figure out what they want in life yet. |
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Post by veerman on Mar 24, 2016 13:57:44 GMT -6
Got to take good with bad I guess. They give a future for kids that may not be able to go to school.
Just like I don't fault all coaches cause some tell their kids they can be D1 if they will do what they say, when that kid can't even make all state.
Guess for some people we have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 24, 2016 19:04:45 GMT -6
I'm not saying how any of those three connections work
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Post by Yash on Mar 24, 2016 19:11:34 GMT -6
Let's see how basic training could POSSIBLY affect a young man... A kid gets shipped off (no mommy/no daddy) A drill instructor constantly telling them they're not the sh!t (like they were back on the block-humility) Up at 5am (actually 4:55 because you saw what happened to the guy who slept in) Bed at 10pm (you were tired enough to go to sleep an hour ago) Running non-stop in between (literally) Stress levels of epic proportions (when it's 4th and short, he doesn't blink) Obstacle courses that have life or death implications (enough said) 5 minutes (maybe) to eat a six course meal (you learn to eat your dessert first-decision making) Firewatch (staying up to watch over their buddies-accountability) Field training (no x-box in the field) Marksmanship (attention to detail and concentration) Extra push ups at night (cause you're not sure if "Jody Boy" is banging your girl, and you might need to lay down an a$$ whooping when you get home-intrinsic motivation) Washing clothes by hand (nothing comes easy) Shining shoes to a spit shine (pride) Close order drill/Marching (until you start shouting commands in your sleep-repetition) Regular physical testing (and the distance you train for may save your life or someone else's-scholarship/smolarship) Graduation (a sense of accomplishment-something earned, not given) If kids could see the end from the beginning, armed services wouldn't need recruiters, and we'd have a lot less 'how to I develop leaders in my program?' threads. Firewatch was the worst thing... you valued sleep so much to have to watch for a fire that wasn't going to happen was downright punishment. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 24, 2016 19:44:52 GMT -6
Nonono. The worst was missing lunch for weapons sentry. Food >> sleep
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Post by brophy on Mar 24, 2016 20:43:31 GMT -6
16 year olds aren't making any decisions here.....they can't. They can't sign up for Armed Services without parental consent, then ....maybe. The Armed Forces since 2002 have pretty selective process. Not just anyone can sign up to be a bullet catcher.
Also, the "college" angle...they aren't going to have access to the GI Bill until they complete 3 years of service, so its not like they are going to basic, AIT, then enrolling as freshmen at their local college thanks to the military. When you sign up for split, it isn't a "go out for the military thing to see if you like it for a summer", its an adult contract that you aren't getting out without significant pain.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 25, 2016 6:16:18 GMT -6
In my OP I brought up the concern that was brought to my attention by an in-state coach and local parents (I live and coach in two different towns). The coach who brought it up and the parents are unrelated. We are talking about two different schools here.
The concern they had was similar to what Brophy mentioned above, that 16-17 year old boys were entering into adult contracts when most of the the time junior boys can't see past lunchtime. The coach's point to me was since he is at a very small school and this kid is their offense it would be difficult to install without him there. My point to him was what an opportunity to work his back-up for a week.
My own 2-cents? I have two boys, if they came to me as a junior and wanted to go into the military I would support that decision AFTER high school. I would not allow them to enter into a contact at age 16-17. If they got into the second semester of their senior year and this was still what they wanted to do, I would be behind that. Kids change their minds. Think of how many times people change their majors, or what college they want to attend between the spring of their junior year and when it is actually time to {censored} or get off the pot?
So.....to summarize:
Football: If all you're concerned about is how to conduct practice in his absence: Selfish. See big picture.
Life: I guess it is up to the parents and individual. But like a couple of posts said this is not a try-out, this is real life....and commitment is a good thing. Just have to be sure before you commit.
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