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Post by tog on Feb 23, 2006 17:02:51 GMT -6
This came up in another thread, so I thought it would be good for discussion.
Do you have any "angry" coaches on staff? The kind that actually do get pissed off at the kids and it shows?
I am not talking about guys (like I try to be) that make an appearance of being aggravated/disapointed to make a point. (read: yelling and stuff) Not the kind of guys that show that as a means to an end and in a logical way, but guys that just get thier control kicks yelling at the kids and going off on them without expectations. (meaning, they haven't told the players what is expected in certain things, yet still punish them, where today's kids will just look at that as "man, that coach is a jerk" instead of how we used to just take what the coach said as gospel and do whatever he said)
How do you deal with this?
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Post by airman on Feb 23, 2006 18:09:13 GMT -6
This came up in another thread, so I thought it would be good for discussion. Do you have any "angry" coaches on staff? The kind that actually do get pissed off at the kids and it shows? I am not talking about guys (like I try to be) that make an appearance of being aggravated/disapointed to make a point. (read: yelling and stuff) Not the kind of guys that show that as a means to an end and in a logical way, but guys that just get thier control kicks yelling at the kids and going off on them without expectations. (meaning, they haven't told the players what is expected in certain things, yet still punish them, where today's kids will just look at that as "man, that coach is a jerk" instead of how we used to just take what the coach said as gospel and do whatever he said) How do you deal with this? sounds like you are discribing bobby kinght. these are the same guys who expect their kids respect everyone and they respect no one. |
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Post by carson101 on Feb 24, 2006 0:11:44 GMT -6
I have done this myself when I first coached it really sucked, once i realized it. I was just out of Desert Storm a piss fire soldier, teaching young kids took it too far once and hated myself after the kids told me how they felt during our team time, never did that again. those kids became champs the following season.
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Post by saintrad on Feb 24, 2006 1:11:55 GMT -6
sounds like the HC that coached for last year....I learned after Desert Strom that yelling at kid over a game is a way of showing how small you really are.
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If quitters never win, and winners never quit. Who is the fool who said quit while your ahead?
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Post by scox80 on Feb 24, 2006 7:23:11 GMT -6
The book "Season of life" is all about this!
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Post by lovetocoach on Feb 24, 2006 7:37:34 GMT -6
Yep. Awesome book. Every coach MUST read this book.
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Post by airman on Feb 24, 2006 10:45:22 GMT -6
Yep. Awesome book. Every coach MUST read this book. I could not believe how the one h.s. coach went psycho on the writer of the book. it was the brooklyn poly pre coach i believe. |
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Post by fish on Feb 24, 2006 16:55:09 GMT -6
last year, the team i coached was up and down and had trouble realizing their potential. the coach i worked with asked me how i stayed so positive with the kids all the time, even when there was every reason in the world to get my head down and be negative. i really didn't have a good answer for him. i just told him, i don't know how to coach any other way.
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Post by sls on Feb 27, 2006 18:28:57 GMT -6
Where does your motivation to coach come from?
Answer that and a coach can answer why or why not they are angry.
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Post by beatdown on Feb 27, 2006 19:34:51 GMT -6
IMO, your motivation should come from (in no particular order, all are important to me) competitivness (sp?), wanting to see the kids succed on the field, and wanting to see the kids do well in life.
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Post by aztec on Feb 27, 2006 23:34:10 GMT -6
Screw you guys, what are you trying to say. That I am angry, I'll show you angry.  I think we all get angry from time to time and how we handle it will show our charater or lack of it at times. I tend to have at least one blow up a year. I really try to limit them, but sometimes I just lose it and get pissed off. Overall I try to stay focused on our main goal each week and keep the kids working towards it. I want to be able to teach vs scare kids into do the right thing. |
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Post by yspace on Mar 2, 2006 19:09:27 GMT -6
The consistently negative coaches I have been around make every mistake by kids a personal matter, as if it's a direct affront to the coach himself. That tone is something that I haven't found very effective at motivating a young guy to get better.
I also know, on another note (so that I don't have a 'log in my eye') that two or three kids on our player feedback form mentioned that they felt that practices at times went well or poorly according to MY (the HC's) mood. That was humbling and brought me back to what Jimmy Johnson said about being able to control your own personality in such a way that would have the best effect on players. Learning to not carry frustration and stress from the day to the practice field will be a big emphasis for me next year.
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Post by backercoach on Mar 3, 2006 16:07:14 GMT -6
You have to call those guys out. They are usually bullies or babies. Just step up and tell him stop bitchin and grow up. Then get ready for a confrontation. But you HAVE to get it off your chest, otherwise it will create tons of negative talk amungst a coaching staff.
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Post by phantom on Mar 4, 2006 18:44:38 GMT -6
The biggest problem with guys like that who are always screaming is that the kids don't take them seriously after a while. In fact, they think it's funny. Hell, the other coaches think it's funny. Dude sounds like the Tazmanian Devil. He's a nice guy otherwise but the screaming does get on your nerves.
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Post by SAcoach on Mar 4, 2006 18:49:56 GMT -6
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Post by texasokie on Mar 8, 2006 9:59:20 GMT -6
I heard a state champion coach talk one time at a clinic. He said that there is no reason to scream and yell at kids giving their best effort. They tune you out immediately. He went on to say that if yuo are yelling and screaming at kid, the kid either was not coached well enough on what to do or was physically incapable of doing the task. The only time he yells is if a kid is not giving his best effort. Physical and mental mistakes can be corrected using calmness. Lack of effort requires a jump start.
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Post by tog on Mar 8, 2006 10:00:39 GMT -6
I heard a state champion coach talk one time at a clinic. He said that there is no reason to scream and yell at kids giving their best effort. They tune you out immediately. He went on to say that if yuo are yelling and screaming at kid, the kid either was not coached well enough on what to do or was physically incapable of doing the task. The only time he yells is if a kid is not giving his best effort. Physical and mental mistakes can be corrected using calmness. Lack of effort requires a jump start. I totally agree with that. |
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Post by brophy on Mar 8, 2006 10:09:25 GMT -6
watch the news or any TV for that matter.
We are so programmed to see 10 negative things to 1 positive thing - throw around compliments and encouragement at practice and watch them follow you around like a loyal dog.
Railing on a kid repeatedly will just get you tuned out...they are already conditioned to block this out.
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Post by utepminerfan on Mar 8, 2006 15:09:04 GMT -6
i compare it to what i do in my classroom. i let the kids get quiet and never yell. but when i raise my voice it makes an impression. same thing on the field. im not a yeller, screamer, or cuss, but when i do it makes a point.
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