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Post by fcboiler87 on Feb 17, 2016 8:45:45 GMT -6
I searched and read some related topics, but I was curious as to how you help your outgoing seniors, if you do anything at all.
Truth be told, we didn't have many seniors that contributed last year, maybe 6-7. One of them has signed to play college football, and deservedly so. He's a good player who can be successful at the next level.
I have received flak for not doing enough to help them, and yes that's always part of the job, but I just want to know if it is justified. I don't really see any of them anymore. All of them dropped my class because they have no motivation to work out any more and it's for the best. Most of them don't like me anyway for one reason or another it seems and I know that's part of the deal since I was their 3rd HC in 3 years.
Do you take them on college visits? That has been suggested to me, but seems a bit much. Do you push them to play? Honestly, I don't think anyone of these guys really is a college level player besides the guy who signed. Not that they couldn't go D3 and be on the team, but I don't know that it's really the best thing for them.
I've emailed colleges, etc but never received any interest or feedback, pretty well confirming what I thought for most cases.
I get it that you deal with a lot of BS from people and things. That's fine, it's part of the job. Unfortunately, this is really internal, i.e. the school, so I pose this question just to see if there is something else or better I could be doing. Thanks.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 17, 2016 8:55:12 GMT -6
It is tough. I had 4 seniors this year, 1 playing ball and signed already. 3 others I did letters of rec for all 3 for jobs and colleges (non-football related). I don't let Sr's work out once they're done unless they've signed to play football.
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 17, 2016 10:03:52 GMT -6
I think enough of it has to be on the kids just so they understand that it's time for them to take control of their futures. We contact schools, monitor their academic schedules, send out film, etc. But short of doing the work for them we do about as much as can be expected.
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Post by carookie on Feb 17, 2016 13:02:37 GMT -6
I work for a HC who is AMAZING at stuff like this. Now granted he coached in the NFL and D1 so he has a ton of connections, but I have seen him get scholarships for guys who probably had no business playing college ball.
I would say the big thing is he is tireless in his contact with colleges, and he spends a lot of time talking with our guys and explaining to them what to expect. He also has all seniors complete all appropriate NCAA forms and things of that nature. If I ever wanted to be a HC I would go over all the types of stuff he does in regards to that because it is extensive.
Also, we continue to train these guys year round, so that is also a benefit. A lot of our training seems to be more geared at being successful in combines and less to improve on the field success (ie running the "L" drill incessantly), but the numbers get better.
He really prides his program less on winning but in preparing kids for playing at the next level and harps on it often. At times it hurts us on the field, and there are a lot of clashes our staff has because of it, but this is what we do. He sells it to college coaches as well in the effort to get them to see our product as being more prepared for what they want.
Now I assume that you were refering to helping seniors go on to play college ball. If you are just trying to help them be better men, that type of stuff should have been going on for the last few years. Hopefully, you have taught them a lot of that already and built a strong enough relationship with them where you can continue to be a part of their lives now that the season is over. If not, there is always the next class to start with.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 17, 2016 13:11:09 GMT -6
I searched and read some related topics, but I was curious as to how you help your outgoing seniors, if you do anything at all. Truth be told, we didn't have many seniors that contributed last year, maybe 6-7. One of them has signed to play college football, and deservedly so. He's a good player who can be successful at the next level. I have received flak for not doing enough to help them, and yes that's always part of the job, but I just want to know if it is justified. I don't really see any of them anymore. All of them dropped my class because they have no motivation to work out any more and it's for the best. Most of them don't like me anyway for one reason or another it seems and I know that's part of the deal since I was their 3rd HC in 3 years. Do you take them on college visits? That has been suggested to me, but seems a bit much. Do you push them to play? Honestly, I don't think anyone of these guys really is a college level player besides the guy who signed. Not that they couldn't go D3 and be on the team, but I don't know that it's really the best thing for them. I've emailed colleges, etc but never received any interest or feedback, pretty well confirming what I thought for most cases. I get it that you deal with a lot of BS from people and things. That's fine, it's part of the job. Unfortunately, this is really internal, i.e. the school, so I pose this question just to see if there is something else or better I could be doing. Thanks. fieldlevel.com has changed my life as a coach |
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Post by coachcobbs on Feb 17, 2016 15:36:56 GMT -6
Coach in what ways has Field level helped you? I have never used it and am looking for easier ways to get information out to coaches.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 17, 2016 15:54:40 GMT -6
Coach in what ways has Field level helped you? I have never used it and am looking for easier ways to get information out to coaches. Its so easy.
Its free
We are hooked up with over 600 college coaches now.
I can promote an athlete to over 100 schools in about two minutes. I just copy and paste his hudl clips to the page, write a short note and off it goes.
Colleges can request "I want to recruit so and so" and I just release their profile information and the college has test scores, highlights, profile, grades, test scores and more.
When colleges send me email asking for contact info I usually ask if they are on field level and if they are not, I usually talk them into it because it helps me move much faster in getting info out to a wide audience of college coaches.
kids can upgrade their profile and even find out which colleges are looking up their profile. (I can already see whos following my players and so on).
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Post by fcboiler87 on Feb 18, 2016 9:52:47 GMT -6
It was my first year as HC so I didn't have the long term relationship with those guys really. It's different with the underclassmen because I've been around them longer and know them well. I am doing leadership work with them and promoting being good men, etc through that so it's a process of that.
Just found out one of the kids is supposedly walking on at an FCS school. It blows my mind really because he was good for us but that doesn't mean a whole lot. Now I'm on the block for him not being promoted enough D1. I just don't see it at all he will get whipped in a practice with those guys. I'm not trying to take away from the kid just being realistic. I hope he does well. But I only found out through the grapevine, he won't even hardly talk to me.
Field level is great, but I've had no luck there yet getting anyone recruited. That's also being spread here that online sources are no way of getting your kids recruited because it's all a scam. I realize most of them are but this being through the coaches is completely different. I have made plenty of email contact with lots of schools but as is typically the case, I haven't received much feedback there.
Thanks for the feedback and keep up any other thoughts you may have.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 18, 2016 18:52:15 GMT -6
We also host recruiters ...it seems that they pour in from Dec to Jan.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 18, 2016 19:03:50 GMT -6
I may ask one with the ability to play if they have given any thought to playing at the next level. However, I do not push them to play. Playing college football is damn hard work, especially when you could be going to frat parties and chasing tail instead of going to 6:00 AM workouts. I always tell them that if they are not 100% sure college football is what they want to do, then don't bother with it. They have to have the initiative.
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Post by gibbs72 on Feb 21, 2016 11:31:15 GMT -6
We also host recruiters ...it seems that they pour in from Dec to Jan. Coach, is this a formal event for the recruiters? Like a recruiting fair? |
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 21, 2016 12:17:54 GMT -6
We also host recruiters ...it seems that they pour in from Dec to Jan. Coach, is this a formal event for the recruiters? Like a recruiting fair? No,
they call or email, I set up an appointment and pull kids out of class to allow them to meet with the coach when he is there.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 21, 2016 12:43:04 GMT -6
Twitter is one way.
In my three years as a HC we have had 41 kids go on to play college ball, 18 this year but I had 33 seniors a mix of FBS,FCs,D2,D3,NAIA,JUCO and Club ball.
I take recruiting as serious as I do games. So we spend a lot of time on it.
Now I have been blessed with some kids who are really good ball players.
But listen every kid isn't going to want to play college football, every kid will not receive athletic or academic money to play, BUT there is a place for everyone in my opinion.
Right now is Junior Day season through end of April. If you have a few rising Seniors who are good kids but not FBS kids, you can still email FCS/D2 schools and get them up for Junior Days, increases exposure.
Recommend summer camps for your kids to COLLEGES, tell them where you think they should go, etc....
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Post by wingtol on Feb 21, 2016 17:34:25 GMT -6
One thing I do at our mandatory parents meeting in spring, since I do a lot of the college recruiting stuff, is make it abundantly clear to everyone HIGH SCHOOL COACHES DO NOT GIVE/GET YOU A COLLEGE SCHOLORSHIP only college coaches do! And I also explain the realities of basically no money for football out side of the D1 level. Another thing I make sure they understand is there are about 100 D1 schools who sign about 25 kids a year for 2500 seniors getting a full ride every year out of 1 million plus football playing males in the country. The more you educate them about the realities of college ball the better off it seems to be.
I also have no proble, with a senior working out with the team, they gave us 4 years we can at least let them workout for a few months if they want.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Feb 23, 2016 12:30:13 GMT -6
I've taken several kids on some college visits. But, that's mainly because almost all of our guys would be first generation college. So, if a kid needs it, one of us will go just to kind of make sure they know what's going on. So many of the kids haven't really been outside of the area, it's a challenge to get them to even think about going somewhere.
But, other than that, we just will do the standard stuff of helping them get ready for college or working. If a kid has signed to play, we let then work out or work with them to get better.
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