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Post by coachcb on Feb 12, 2016 14:35:40 GMT -6
The best you could do in the off-season is have him disciplined if he's being disrespectful in your class or in the weight room before/after school. Dig into your school's discipline policies and start nailing the kid for it if he's in anyway rude to you, the staff or the other kids. The administration will generally back you up if you follow procedure, document the kid's crap and follow through. You're really just setting the stage for him to avoid football come the fall. We had a kid banned from the weight room for a week before and after school many years ago for swearing at the staff. He was an obnoxious kid and didn't show up for weights after that. He came out for football but quit after we refused to play him.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 12, 2016 14:40:08 GMT -6
I guess I don't understand exactly what is going on here.
What exactly is this kid doing? I am hearing some vague accusations that he is causing turmoil and his parents aren't real supportive but nothing really specific beyond that. Honestly, it just sounds like you don't like this kid (which, of course, might be totally justified).
My question is, why does this kid have so much power and influence? If he isn't a good player or a top performer in the weightroom, why are other kids following him? I have worked in programs that had kids similar to what you have described (crappy attitude, entitled, PITA parents, bad at football ). But I have never worked in a program in which one of those kids wielded this much power and influence.
So what is going on in your program that is preventing you and the other coaches from isolating his influence from the other kids? Remember, what you allow, you encourage.
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Post by coachplaa on Feb 12, 2016 14:49:22 GMT -6
One thing I've started doing is kicking 1-2 obvious kids out of our summer program if they have a serious attitude problem, and tell them they will get their district-mandated two day tryout in August, but they are officially kicked out of the summer program. It only takes 1 or 2 of your worst offenders to get the entire program in line. And most of the time, the majority of the kids are extremely happy about it.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 12, 2016 15:17:22 GMT -6
One thing I've started doing is kicking 1-2 obvious kids out of our summer program if they have a serious attitude problem, and tell them they will get their district-mandated two day tryout in August, but they are officially kicked out of the summer program. It only takes 1 or 2 of your worst offenders to get the entire program in line. And most of the time, the majority of the kids are extremely happy about it. What do you kick them out for? Can you define "attitude problem"? The reason I am asking is that there aren't many administrators who would support a coach kicking kids out of a summer program for "attitude problems". In fact, I have never worked for a school district that would allow a coach to kick a kid off the team for anything less than a serious violation of the athletic code or a criminal act.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 19:19:39 GMT -6
kid not very good at all, cant help us win. but feels entitled to playing time. constantly trying to get others to take his side and throw off on starters, coaches, and all aspects of what great team chemistry is. in my area, we cant just dismiss a player. we have tried every possible scenario as coaches to handle it but just no solution. so suggestions??? Would insubordination or harassment of other players be a serious enough infraction? Sounds like he's "bullying" to me. Otherwise, if you've talked to the kid and explained to him what's up and he still acts this way, then just don't play him. Let him figure it out or shut up. Make a depth chart and put him as #7 LG or so, even if he thinks he's a WR and you don't have enough for a 2 deep, and be sure to post it for all to see. Also, don't give him anything to do during practice OR put him in to take as much punishment as possible during hitting drills against the biggest and meanest kids on the team. There are plenty of ways to run a kid off if you put your mind to it, if that's what you really want to do. Just make sure you're smiling at him and encouraging him while you do it.
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Post by s73 on Feb 12, 2016 20:55:29 GMT -6
I wouldn't.
Administrators are likely to think you're obsessing over this kid and be a little perturbed that it's not even your season. Will cast negative light on YOU.
Besides, they don't want to hear it anyway. As head coach, YOU'RE the designated problem solver.
Until it reaches critical mass - kid violates training rules, has excessive tardies or absences, is openly insubordinate, or some such - handle it yourself.
Or you can pay off his teachers to make him ineligible (I kid).
Just an opinion and maybe this is just the relationship I have with my admin but I always let them know when I dismiss a kid from the team. I don't want them to get the angry parent phone call and be blind sided by the problem. The conversation usually lasts 30 seconds and it goes something like "Just a heads up but I kick Joey off yesterday for ____, in case you get a phone call" or "Joey is doing ______ and the next time I'm booting him." I feel like it's easier to be supported when things are out in the open. I agree with this. I think I may have not clearly stated my position. I will toss a kid and then tell them. But, I never ask for permission. I just tell them heads might get a phone call I tossed so and so for such and such reason. I rarely toss kids, maybe 4-5 over the last 8 years so when I do they are usually pretty supportive.
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Post by mhs99 on Feb 12, 2016 23:31:40 GMT -6
Get rid of that MFer. Have your ducks in a row, signed behavioral forms and the such. But someone always needs to be the Marine Corp example. Set the tone when you are in charge. Honestly we have done it very few times and it is a life altering wake up call for some kids.
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Post by georgefred86 on Feb 13, 2016 0:04:19 GMT -6
This is one kid ... need more context here coach, however, we had a kid that had the potential to be our starting quarterback the next fall and in the offseason he started telling his teammates that he was not going to go out for his senior year because he thought was being treated unfairly the previous season. Meanwhile, his twin brother was a starting wide receiver the year before and we were moving him to TE in the fall, which he wasn't fond of either but wanted to still be a part of the team. His brother knew that we were going to have a really successful season with or without his brother at quarterback.
The rumor throughout the building that offseason was that if his brother was not the starting quarterback then a number of the seniors were not going to play as well. Our staff and our program had established itself as a program, however, throughout the building folks had started to talk about this drama.His parents wanted to meet and discuss their frustrations from the year before and get our story. I asked one of our assistants to accompany in this meeting to cover my arse and for him to also give his two cents since he coached him on JV the previous season.
The mother wanted to control the situation and she sincerely believed by meeting with me I would name her son the starting quarterback in February and all would be put to rest, however. we assured her if her son did everything in the offseason he would have a fair shot. That was not enough for her or her son. He decided not to go out for his senior year and his backup ended up throwing for the most yards in school history and leading us to the semifinals (the furthest we had ever been).
Interestingly enough, the dad said in the meeting that he knew if his son didn't go out that we would continue to succeed and expected us to win. The dad was rational but the mom was far from seeing the big picture. His twin brother moved to TE and was first team all conference and was an outstanding TEAM player. Looking back at the whole situation, we added by subtracting ... we did not let mommy or her precious son dictate to us how we were going to run our program. Not only did that set the tone for that season, it set the tone for the rest of the time we were there, I never dealt with a situation like this again.
It is always about the PROGRAM! If you don't have the conviction of what you are doing is right then find another profession ... we put way too much time into this deal and do not get paid enough to listen that BS ... DO IT YOUR WAY and if that isn't enough, then at least you know you went out on your terms.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 13, 2016 4:52:38 GMT -6
I have used something like this line with select individuals.
Ill have myself and a couple of my coaches call the lad into an office.
"Johnny, you seem very unhappy with football. You seem to want us to change. I can assure you that we are not going to change anything about our program for you. We would like to see you happy. For you to be happy however will require that it is you who changes."
etc.
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Post by CBNIndian on Feb 15, 2016 19:03:23 GMT -6
I like what Coach said of "bury him on scout team or the bench!" Remember either way you are going to get fired! Fired for playing the name kids and not winning or playing the best kids and winning but making someone mad! At least go out with a winning record then they have to explain why the fired you!
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 16, 2016 13:05:31 GMT -6
From an administrators perspective, I believe keeping them in the loop would be a great idea, as would running things by them (like the aforementioned contract) before implementing them.
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Post by coachcotner on Feb 16, 2016 19:50:22 GMT -6
This is one kid ... need more context here coach, however, we had a kid that had the potential to be our starting quarterback the next fall and in the offseason he started telling his teammates that he was not going to go out for his senior year because he thought was being treated unfairly the previous season. Meanwhile, his twin brother was a starting wide receiver the year before and we were moving him to TE in the fall, which he wasn't fond of either but wanted to still be a part of the team. His brother knew that we were going to have a really successful season with or without his brother at quarterback. The rumor throughout the building that offseason was that if his brother was not the starting quarterback then a number of the seniors were not going to play as well. Our staff and our program had established itself as a program, however, throughout the building folks had started to talk about this drama.His parents wanted to meet and discuss their frustrations from the year before and get our story. I asked one of our assistants to accompany in this meeting to cover my arse and for him to also give his two cents since he coached him on JV the previous season. The mother wanted to control the situation and she sincerely believed by meeting with me I would name her son the starting quarterback in February and all would be put to rest, however. we assured her if her son did everything in the offseason he would have a fair shot. That was not enough for her or her son. He decided not to go out for his senior year and his backup ended up throwing for the most yards in school history and leading us to the semifinals (the furthest we had ever been). Interestingly enough, the dad said in the meeting that he knew if his son didn't go out that we would continue to succeed and expected us to win. The dad was rational but the mom was far from seeing the big picture. His twin brother moved to TE and was first team all conference and was an outstanding TEAM player. Looking back at the whole situation, we added by subtracting ... we did not let mommy or her precious son dictate to us how we were going to run our program. Not only did that set the tone for that season, it set the tone for the rest of the time we were there, I never dealt with a situation like this again. It is always about the PROGRAM! If you don't have the conviction of what you are doing is right then find another profession ... we put way too much time into this deal and do not get paid enough to listen that BS ... DO IT YOUR WAY and if that isn't enough, then at least you know you went out on your terms. Love this
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Post by dytmook on Feb 16, 2016 20:17:40 GMT -6
This is one kid ... need more context here coach, however, we had a kid that had the potential to be our starting quarterback the next fall and in the offseason he started telling his teammates that he was not going to go out for his senior year because he thought was being treated unfairly the previous season. Meanwhile, his twin brother was a starting wide receiver the year before and we were moving him to TE in the fall, which he wasn't fond of either but wanted to still be a part of the team. His brother knew that we were going to have a really successful season with or without his brother at quarterback. The rumor throughout the building that offseason was that if his brother was not the starting quarterback then a number of the seniors were not going to play as well. Our staff and our program had established itself as a program, however, throughout the building folks had started to talk about this drama.His parents wanted to meet and discuss their frustrations from the year before and get our story. I asked one of our assistants to accompany in this meeting to cover my arse and for him to also give his two cents since he coached him on JV the previous season. The mother wanted to control the situation and she sincerely believed by meeting with me I would name her son the starting quarterback in February and all would be put to rest, however. we assured her if her son did everything in the offseason he would have a fair shot. That was not enough for her or her son. He decided not to go out for his senior year and his backup ended up throwing for the most yards in school history and leading us to the semifinals (the furthest we had ever been). Interestingly enough, the dad said in the meeting that he knew if his son didn't go out that we would continue to succeed and expected us to win. The dad was rational but the mom was far from seeing the big picture. His twin brother moved to TE and was first team all conference and was an outstanding TEAM player. Looking back at the whole situation, we added by subtracting ... we did not let mommy or her precious son dictate to us how we were going to run our program. Not only did that set the tone for that season, it set the tone for the rest of the time we were there, I never dealt with a situation like this again. It is always about the PROGRAM! If you don't have the conviction of what you are doing is right then find another profession ... we put way too much time into this deal and do not get paid enough to listen that BS ... DO IT YOUR WAY and if that isn't enough, then at least you know you went out on your terms. We had a few of those parents. Wanted us to say we didn't give little man a fair shot...He went to Alaska all summer and came back fat missing all camp days and never really improved. Parents wanted to talk about another player's skills and coach shut down the meeting saying we don't discuss other players playing time. We give kids a shot, it's up to them to take advantage. Kid was mediocre at best on JV that year and didn't come out his senior...he was even fatter though.
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2016 7:14:40 GMT -6
From an administrators perspective, I believe keeping them in the loop would be a great idea, as would running things by them (like the aforementioned contract) before implementing them.
Even out of season?
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 17, 2016 7:28:52 GMT -6
From an administrators perspective, I believe keeping them in the loop would be a great idea, as would running things by them (like the aforementioned contract) before implementing them.
Even out of season?
My admin and my former admin- yes, they'd want to be kept abreast of everything. Mostly so that if they get the nasty-mail from a pi$$ed off parent they know what the hell they are talking about. I wouldn't necessarily involve them further than that. Our admin is pretty proactive- they typically offer any assistance as needed.
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Post by coachplaa on Feb 17, 2016 12:21:51 GMT -6
I'm not saying I purposely TRY to kick kids out. But a kid that is doing the wrong stuff like partying or missing practice on purpose, is a kid that the majority of the team wants to be kicked off. So I usually give two warnings, first to the kid, second one to the kid and the parent; and if it continues I remove them from our summer program. The rest of the team usually responds with an "its about time." For us, our summer program is not a "school event." Our district makes us do an off-season AAU club to use our own facilities, so our administration has nothing to do with our summer program. Any kid I remove from our summer program, I let the kid and parent that the kid has a right to tryout for the team in August and leave it at that. I know every situation is different but that is how I handle it.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 17, 2016 13:13:29 GMT -6
You guys will laugh, or cry, but we wont run anyone off. (Id love to though)
We have had some pretty good turnaround stories - total turkeys turning into contributors. Sometimes a kid just has to grow up.
Sure, some have bitten us and we were like "duh, he is a snake, of course he bit us"
but sometimes we are out of options and we need the snake, and liking the kid has nothing to do with it, we need every kid.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 17, 2016 13:46:11 GMT -6
You guys will laugh, or cry, but we wont run anyone off. (Id love to though) We have had some pretty good turnaround stories - total turkeys turning into contributors. Sometimes a kid just has to grow up. Sure, some have bitten us and we were like "duh, he is a snake, of course he bit us" but sometimes we are out of options and we need the snake, and liking the kid has nothing to do with it, we need every kid. thats part of our job right? among all the other things we are: -- counselor -- stand-in parent -- Psychiatrist -- Dietician -- Drill Sergeant ...
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Post by John Knight on Feb 18, 2016 9:36:01 GMT -6
The Judas Factor! I like that one Cuppy!
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Post by 33coach on Feb 18, 2016 9:58:58 GMT -6
thats part of our job right? among all the other things we are: -- counselor -- stand-in parent -- Psychiatrist -- Dietician -- Drill Sergeant ... while I agree in principle... as coaches sometimes we try to save too many and it costs the majority. I know in my experience sometimes we have spent 90% of our time on 10% of our kids, when actually we should be spending the bulk of our time and energy on the kids who are working hard, trying to do the right things, etc. You just can't save them all, Jesus only saved 11 out of 12. That means for every 60 kids, 5 of them aren't going to make it. Sometimes they just have to go. i can accept that. and if 10 of those 60 REALLY need help. and i can help 5 of them without forgetting about the other 50...im doing my job.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 18, 2016 19:05:09 GMT -6
Sometimes the best thing for all parties is a divorce.
We had a 6'5 WR we booted. Senior, needed him badly, but wouldn't stop mucking things up. Sorry dude- gotta go.
So recruiting season starts and guess what- every JUCO that walks in I'm trying to get this kid into. He needed football more than we needed him, but he wouldn't tow the line. He still though is "one of mine" and I will look out for him as long as I can. His parents knew we extended WAY more for this kid than we typically would, and they love our staff even more because of that.
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Post by coachlc74 on Feb 19, 2016 7:46:20 GMT -6
I guess I don't understand exactly what is going on here.
What exactly is this kid doing? I am hearing some vague accusations that he is causing turmoil and his parents aren't real supportive but nothing really specific beyond that. Honestly, it just sounds like you don't like this kid (which, of course, might be totally justified).
My question is, why does this kid have so much power and influence? If he isn't a good player or a top performer in the weightroom, why are other kids following him? I have worked in programs that had kids similar to what you have described (crappy attitude, entitled, PITA parents, bad at football ). But I have never worked in a program in which one of those kids wielded this much power and influence.
So what is going on in your program that is preventing you and the other coaches from isolating his influence from the other kids? Remember, what you allow, you encourage.
seems90% on here get it, but I will try to explain in more detail! 1. player has zero talent, plays db, on a two second delay, and reason we know this is because of the chances we have given him to prove himself in jv and varsity practices as well as games. Yet he and his parents think that he should play and don't care if team goes 0-10 as long as he comes home happy(true statement from the father). 2.he will be a senior this coming season, and I have no reason to play him. the younger boys are simply better. his thought is he is a senior and no one should be in front him solely based on that. 3.last season, he was one of 4/5 players whose parents complained about things to admin and boe that simply weren't true. other players were called in and questioned about the issues and every player said no way, that coach is simply coaching and pushing the team to be better after we just went to semifinals year before. so, no fault was found, and these players/parents became blatant in being devisive!basically watched every move, every word we did as a staff trying to find a way to get us fired. 4. in mean time, once admin found no fault in our coaching, couple of the kids and parents came to apologize. im a forgiving person, so we move on and to this day those people and I are ok. this particular young man has not stopped he attacks other players as suck ups, brown nosers, ass kissers, etc..and says that's y they play.. of course the kids have talent, work ethics, good attitudes so that's why they play! ****I can deal with this as a coach, but I feel really really bad for my team and kids. they care about their team and coaches, but they are also friends with this young man.i want them to be friends with whomever, but not let him effect their mindset and attitude.
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Post by blb on Feb 19, 2016 8:04:09 GMT -6
At our Parents' Meeting last week of school in June, among other things we told them:
Best players play, and if an older player and a younger player are even, the younger player plays.
It was a meritocracy, not a class system.
lc74, sounds like you haven't "moved on" and are still smarting from last Fall's experience being investigated by administration to the point you are unduly worrying about an immature teenage boy who is being enabled by "helicopter" parents with no understanding of interscholastic athletics.
Let your players deal with their relationships with the young man in question. If he does indeed affect their "mindset and attitude" you haven't done your job with them.
If he isn't good enough to play, don't play him.
Remember, it's stuff like this that you get paid for. Anybody can coach them when you're unbeaten and ahead 49-0 with the ball in the 4th Quarter on Homecoming.
Also - when this kid (and his parents) graduate, there will most likely be another that takes his place.
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Post by ths8301 on Feb 19, 2016 9:05:16 GMT -6
Our head coach is big on documentation. Write up a contract stating what you want out of all players in practice, in the locker room, outside of the team, and on the sideline. This includes social media and his actions in school. It gets hard being that he is going to be a senior, but if you do spring ball and you film it, then you have documentation as to how much playing time he deserves based on what he can do on the field. A lot of times, we have consequences that a kid continually gets and just being straight laced about them and the expectations that they need to be done before he can put on the pads again. Like we do big tire, tire flips. 400 yds at a time. Refusal to do them doubles the amount and becomes strike 1 on the player. He also can no longer put the pads on or participate in any practices until all of his flips are done. He flips them up and down another sideline right next to practice so that he can see what he is missing and that his actions are causing them to be missed. We also have a missed practice deadline too. Missing 3 practices with an unexcused absence is dismissal from the team, no questions asked. We are big on communication between parents and coaches as well as kid and coach. Head coach gets all rulings on excused and unexcused.
Basically, if you have it in writing, and are holding all kids to the same accountability, then the problems weed themselves out real quick or they man up and change because it is not about them, it is about the team becoming better. Most of the time they are complaining because it is a way of masking their own insecurities about their ability.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 19, 2016 9:54:22 GMT -6
Cancer? First we try and fix it. If that doesn't work we cut it off and make an example of it.
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Post by coachlc74 on Feb 19, 2016 12:03:35 GMT -6
couold be I am still smarting over last year, but I have no problems coaching my team. not first time in my 25 years coaching football I have had this situation, just this time it seems to be a lingering cloud. we were 1-2 going into an open week when all this occurred, next game was against an undefeated team and we beat them 19-0. went on to finish 7-3 on season, lost in first round unfortunately. so WE got it together and moved on. I appreciate everyones input as it has made me look at my program, me, ,my staff, my team.....overall I am very pleased!!!
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Post by fantom on Feb 19, 2016 12:38:56 GMT -6
I guess I don't understand exactly what is going on here. What exactly is this kid doing? I am hearing some vague accusations that he is causing turmoil and his parents aren't real supportive but nothing really specific beyond that. Honestly, it just sounds like you don't like this kid (which, of course, might be totally justified). My question is, why does this kid have so much power and influence? If he isn't a good player or a top performer in the weightroom, why are other kids following him? I have worked in programs that had kids similar to what you have described (crappy attitude, entitled, PITA parents, bad at football ). But I have never worked in a program in which one of those kids wielded this much power and influence. So what is going on in your program that is preventing you and the other coaches from isolating his influence from the other kids? Remember, what you allow, you encourage. seems90% on here get it, but I will try to explain in more detail! 1. player has zero talent, plays db, on a two second delay, and reason we know this is because of the chances we have given him to prove himself in jv and varsity practices as well as games. Yet he and his parents think that he should play and don't care if team goes 0-10 as long as he comes home happy(true statement from the father). 2.he will be a senior this coming season, and I have no reason to play him. the younger boys are simply better. his thought is he is a senior and no one should be in front him solely based on that. 3.last season, he was one of 4/5 players whose parents complained about things to admin and boe that simply weren't true. other players were called in and questioned about the issues and every player said no way, that coach is simply coaching and pushing the team to be better after we just went to semifinals year before. so, no fault was found, and these players/parents became blatant in being devisive!basically watched every move, every word we did as a staff trying to find a way to get us fired. 4. in mean time, once admin found no fault in our coaching, couple of the kids and parents came to apologize. im a forgiving person, so we move on and to this day those people and I are ok. this particular young man has not stopped he attacks other players as suck ups, brown nosers, ass kissers, etc..and says that's y they play.. of course the kids have talent, work ethics, good attitudes so that's why they play! ****I can deal with this as a coach, but I feel really really bad for my team and kids. they care about their team and coaches, but they are also friends with this young man.i want them to be friends with whomever, but not let him effect their mindset and attitude. There's a difference between a cancer and somebody that you just don't like (And you may be perfectly justified in disliking him. From what you say here I would.). As obnoxious as this family is it doesn't sound like they're really dividing the team. You may be better off keeping him. At this point it's known that they have no real grievance against you. If you manufacture a way to get rid of him they may.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 19, 2016 18:19:20 GMT -6
I guess I don't understand exactly what is going on here. What exactly is this kid doing? I am hearing some vague accusations that he is causing turmoil and his parents aren't real supportive but nothing really specific beyond that. Honestly, it just sounds like you don't like this kid (which, of course, might be totally justified). My question is, why does this kid have so much power and influence? If he isn't a good player or a top performer in the weightroom, why are other kids following him? I have worked in programs that had kids similar to what you have described (crappy attitude, entitled, PITA parents, bad at football ). But I have never worked in a program in which one of those kids wielded this much power and influence. So what is going on in your program that is preventing you and the other coaches from isolating his influence from the other kids? Remember, what you allow, you encourage. seems90% on here get it, but I will try to explain in more detail! 1. player has zero talent, plays db, on a two second delay, and reason we know this is because of the chances we have given him to prove himself in jv and varsity practices as well as games. Yet he and his parents think that he should play and don't care if team goes 0-10 as long as he comes home happy(true statement from the father). 2.he will be a senior this coming season, and I have no reason to play him. the younger boys are simply better. his thought is he is a senior and no one should be in front him solely based on that. 3.last season, he was one of 4/5 players whose parents complained about things to admin and boe that simply weren't true. other players were called in and questioned about the issues and every player said no way, that coach is simply coaching and pushing the team to be better after we just went to semifinals year before. so, no fault was found, and these players/parents became blatant in being devisive!basically watched every move, every word we did as a staff trying to find a way to get us fired. 4. in mean time, once admin found no fault in our coaching, couple of the kids and parents came to apologize. im a forgiving person, so we move on and to this day those people and I are ok. this particular young man has not stopped he attacks other players as suck ups, brown nosers, ass kissers, etc..and says that's y they play.. of course the kids have talent, work ethics, good attitudes so that's why they play! ****I can deal with this as a coach, but I feel really really bad for my team and kids. they care about their team and coaches, but they are also friends with this young man.i want them to be friends with whomever, but not let him effect their mindset and attitude. With all due respect... You are giving this kid exactly what he wants by expending this much energy on him. You don't owe this kid or any kid anything other than a jersey, a spot on the bus for away games, being treated fairly, and the chance to compete for playing time. You have done that. The best thing you can do is continue doing just that. No more. No less. You have said that this kid has no talent. He doesn't work hard. He lies. He complains about his teammates and says bad things about them. Once again...I ask you...why does a kid like that have so much power? Why is he so influential? Why are you letting a kid who is tantamount to a fly's turd give you so much trouble? Like I said earlier...I have coached kids like this before. No talent, bad attitude, untrustworthy, lazy, enabling parents...the total package. And those kids have NEVER caused me to lose a night's sleep because they have so little impact on how I went about my business. The kid is on the team, he is at practice, if we are up or down by a lot, he gets in the game, but that is pretty much where it begins and ends with a kid like that. Those kids really are invisible to the coaches and the other players. So, what you have to ask yourself is, why isn't this kid invisible? Why are people listening to him? Why are you getting so worked up over a player that is so stupendously insignificant in regards to the big picture?
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 19, 2016 18:48:03 GMT -6
10-80-10:
10% of your players self-starters, go-getters, natural workers and leaders.
80% are going with the flow.
10% are, at best, resistant to what you're doing and, at worst, working against you.
That last group won't change, so move on. Focus on getting your top 10% to drag as many of the your 80% up to their level and love up the rest of the 80% because that's your core of your team.
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Post by coachklee on Feb 20, 2016 12:05:41 GMT -6
I guess I don't understand exactly what is going on here. What exactly is this kid doing? I am hearing some vague accusations that he is causing turmoil and his parents aren't real supportive but nothing really specific beyond that. Honestly, it just sounds like you don't like this kid (which, of course, might be totally justified). My question is, why does this kid have so much power and influence? If he isn't a good player or a top performer in the weightroom, why are other kids following him? I have worked in programs that had kids similar to what you have described (crappy attitude, entitled, PITA parents, bad at football ). But I have never worked in a program in which one of those kids wielded this much power and influence. So what is going on in your program that is preventing you and the other coaches from isolating his influence from the other kids? Remember, what you allow, you encourage. seems90% on here get it, but I will try to explain in more detail! 1. player has zero talent, plays db, on a two second delay, and reason we know this is because of the chances we have given him to prove himself in jv and varsity practices as well as games. Yet he and his parents think that he should play and don't care if team goes 0-10 as long as he comes home happy(true statement from the father). 2.he will be a senior this coming season, and I have no reason to play him. the younger boys are simply better. his thought is he is a senior and no one should be in front him solely based on that. 3.last season, he was one of 4/5 players whose parents complained about things to admin and boe that simply weren't true. other players were called in and questioned about the issues and every player said no way, that coach is simply coaching and pushing the team to be better after we just went to semifinals year before. so, no fault was found, and these players/parents became blatant in being devisive!basically watched every move, every word we did as a staff trying to find a way to get us fired. 4. in mean time, once admin found no fault in our coaching, couple of the kids and parents came to apologize. im a forgiving person, so we move on and to this day those people and I are ok. this particular young man has not stopped he attacks other players as suck ups, brown nosers, ass kissers, etc..and says that's y they play.. of course the kids have talent, work ethics, good attitudes so that's why they play! ****I can deal with this as a coach, but I feel really really bad for my team and kids. they care about their team and coaches, but they are also friends with this young man.i want them to be friends with whomever, but not let him effect their mindset and attitude. I don't work well with someone trying to leas a revolt against me...I don't know who does. I'd make it clear to him that he's out of line & that him & his parents are not going to be bullying me. Either he's going to be changing immediately or he is not welcome to any workouts myself or the staff supervise and he will never be playing in the fall. Nobody is going to be leading a revolt against me & I'd be calling him out for doing so!
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