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Post by coachthomason on Feb 2, 2016 11:52:43 GMT -6
Not to sound too gratuitous but I get the great honor of coaching in the Oregon East/West Shrine Game to benefit the Shriner's Children Hospital in Portland Oregon. You can't ask for a better cause than that!
My question is what advice can anyone give about coaching in an all-star game? The players are all graduated Seniors (they graduate this Spring and the game is played Aug. 6th.) that we get to have for about eight doubles type practices before the game. There will be a lot of activities for the players as the prepare for the game as well.
Our coaching staff is four coaches (all of them HC for their programs). We have to come up with an offense and a defense that many of the players have never used (we haven't made our decision yet about the offense or defense we're going to use). We need to com up with a practice plan to install the offense and defense. Plus we need to see how the players we selected actually match up on the playing field.
So, does anybody have any good advice (aside from have fun, as I think that'll be a given)? Anything would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 2, 2016 12:15:24 GMT -6
Maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but remind your kids a million times throughout the week what the game benefits and what they are representing. I've seen a ton of these things end in fights in the 4th quarter and end in an embarrassing way, and since the kids are graduated and most won't know you, policing them can be hard. Try to get ahead of that stuff by discussing what a great organization is giving them the chance to play, how they want to make that organization proud, play a classy game, etc.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 2, 2016 12:21:23 GMT -6
keep it simple. not fancy tags on routes or lots of intricate blocking schemes. zone, power, counter, jet. throw a reverse in too for fun!
pass, simple slant hitch fade smash maybe a ncaa route to beat some coverage.
defense
4-3 cover 2.
man under.
probably cant blitz either, so thats simple.
practice plan
HC know what its like so let them work!
15 min of indy
15 min of install
some 7 on 7
some inside run rep
specials
team
done
i coached one last fall and had blast! all the coaches were too head coaches and they lvoed the pace I wanted to go at, fast fast fast. get in and out in 1.5 and go home.
kids are smart in all star game they will pick it up.
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Post by coachthomason on Feb 2, 2016 16:45:23 GMT -6
Thanks coaches, great info.!
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Post by wingtol on Feb 2, 2016 18:26:36 GMT -6
Don't you have a set D you have to run? Most all star games do to make it easier to prepare, ie 4-3 cov 0 5-2 cover 3 etc.
Is there a HC for the game? Usually in games like that he's the one who installs the offense. We have a local all star game that I have coached several times and we just run a simple version of our stuff, like I said knowing the D you will face makes it easy so you can say when we run power you block him you block him and so on. Don't have to go through all kinds of rules.
As far as coaching the kids one thing I was told the first time I coached an all star game was it's mostly installing and working on the schemes don't try and change too much of the kids technique. They are all-stars for a reason. When I did the OL I would do some 1-1, double teams, pulls, down blocks and the rest is all install. Do a bunch of 7-7 and/or team to get a look at the kids and see who fits where.
And have fun!
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Post by rosey65 on Feb 3, 2016 9:20:06 GMT -6
From an offensive standpoint, keep it SIMPLE. We use a little league playbook when we've had the chance to coach an AS game: trap, Power, Toss, bootleg, and some basic pass route concepts. Your kids are all freakish athletes, you dont need a lot of options for them to be successful.
We usually have to suffer through out local all-star game, watching our kids try and run the OC's entire regular-season playbook. No one knows what to do, the OL is confused by the 5 protections they have to learn, and the umpteen formations cause more confusion for the O than the D. Less is more in these types of games.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 3, 2016 21:20:30 GMT -6
Our coverages were rip/Liz, VT robber (just the inversion of rip Liz), and man.
Fronts were 40 strong and 40 weak.
LBs had the obviously open gap in front of them collision receivers coming from your side, carry them going to your side. Picks backs.
Pass game was 5 concepts, and we dropped one midweek.
Run game was counter, trap, sweep, draw
Half slide weak was the protection.
The decision to install simple match concepts was driven by having done this before. If you tell the corner to play the deep third and not get beat he'll be at 20 pre snap and drop to 1000.
The practice schedule was all installation. Individual time was installing in small groups. Then we ran O vs Air and D walk through. Then skelly/inside, and team. We aren't here to improve "fundamentals." That ship has sailed on these kids and isn't being fixed in a week.
In retrospect I'd have had all my linemen go both ways because we were really hurting come game day after losing three bodies (one injury, one faux injury, one scheduling conflict)
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Post by coachplaa on Feb 4, 2016 10:32:59 GMT -6
We coached an all-star game last year and we put in 9 plays, and coded them 1-9. We tried to get the kids to memorize all 9 plays in 5 days of practice. While it worked for the most part, our QB's struggled to get the reps and reads that they needed. One QB was our own school's QB so he was so far ahead, we gave him most of the reps and we had our backup QB play WR and FS.
Right before halftime of the game, our starting QB went down and we were scrambling since our backup QB had almost zero work at the position during the week.
We focused on our one RPO that we had installed, which was basically Empty Stick-draw and we ran that about 75% of the time in the second half. We'd disguise it with motion, but we just let our QB play and we came back and won the game.
So, if I had it to do again, I think I would install maybe three RPO's, and rep the heck out of them, and make the defense wrong with however they try to take our offense away.
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Post by coach31 on Feb 4, 2016 10:44:11 GMT -6
Coach,
Scheme: Keep it simple
The hardest thing for us was managing playing time. Depending on how many you have it can get tricky
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 4, 2016 10:44:19 GMT -6
Our all star game is pretty unique- 34 kids on a squad, no restraints offensively, defensively has to be a 5-2 (ewww I know) with no ILB blitzes except inside the 10, CBs have to be at least 2 yds off, safeties at least 5yds off. I was the DC for the game. We were supposed to get blown out, honestly, but we lost 7-6. My advice- offensively keep it very simple. Like plaa stated... Defensively we had 3 basic calls from this: We brought an OLB from boundary/slanted away and tied cover 6 too it (QQ1/2), brought an OLB from the field/slanted away (roll to 3), and brought both of them/pinched DL and played off man behind it. They had a helluva time dealing with this. Like others have said- embrace the game for what it is- ours is a charity for disabled kids in Delaware www.dfrc.comHave fun, be involved with the events and the kids. I keep up with many of those kids from other teams. Had a great re-occuring compliment from the kids- essentially they hated us when they played us, but they're a fan of mine and my program now. The coaches you coach with will become guys you speak with regularly. It was a great experience and I gained a few friends and a ton of respect out of it. |
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Post by fshamrock on Feb 4, 2016 14:49:45 GMT -6
Coach, Scheme: Keep it simple The hardest thing for us was managing playing time. Depending on how many you have it can get tricky I'm with you..that part sucks, the only time I was ever involved in something like it we had 2 RB's that only got a few carries at the end of the game. The all star game was all classifications so these two guys were small school studs but didn't measure up the bigger school guys....they were upset, and their coaches were very upset, but what're u gonna do? 1) we wanted to win the game and 2) we knew that people had paid to see the best players in the city....still felt bad about it. |
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Post by coachthomason on Feb 4, 2016 17:47:27 GMT -6
Coach, Scheme: Keep it simple The hardest thing for us was managing playing time. Depending on how many you have it can get tricky Well that is easy. My favorite saying is KISS (keep it simple stupid)! |
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Post by jg78 on Feb 4, 2016 17:53:24 GMT -6
Install the Radar Defense and implement so many blitzes that you're still making up new ones during timeouts. Run the Single Wing on offense and tell your QB's and WR's to go sit on the damn bench. Muddle huddle on kick returns. Swinging gate on XP. Always onside kick.
That will make everyone happy.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 4, 2016 18:34:43 GMT -6
Not to sound too gratuitous but I get the great honor of coaching in the Oregon East/West Shrine Game to benefit the Shriner's Children Hospital in Portland Oregon. You can't ask for a better cause than that! My question is what advice can anyone give about coaching in an all-star game? The players are all graduated Seniors (they graduate this Spring and the game is played Aug. 6th.) that we get to have for about eight doubles type practices before the game. There will be a lot of activities for the players as the prepare for the game as well. Our coaching staff is four coaches (all of them HC for their programs). We have to come up with an offense and a defense that many of the players have never used (we haven't made our decision yet about the offense or defense we're going to use). We need to com up with a practice plan to install the offense and defense. Plus we need to see how the players we selected actually match up on the playing field. So, does anybody have any good advice (aside from have fun, as I think that'll be a given)? Anything would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! What I find interesting is the timing. Louisiana used to have an "All Star Week" in Late July with East/West all star games held at LSU in Basketball (mens/womens) volleyball, football..maybe baseball/softball I don't remember. The football game generally was lackluster at best, with many if not most of the best players in the state not playing because it was so close to the date they would report to their respective colleges (if they hadn't already gone in the summer) and the fact that those who weren't playing college ball really hadn't trained in the last 6/7 months. Even though the game is played in December now, I still don't think there are many blue chippers in the lineup--but that might be influenced by the selection process as well as other factors. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 4, 2016 18:49:44 GMT -6
Not to sound too gratuitous but I get the great honor of coaching in the Oregon East/West Shrine Game to benefit the Shriner's Children Hospital in Portland Oregon. You can't ask for a better cause than that! My question is what advice can anyone give about coaching in an all-star game? The players are all graduated Seniors (they graduate this Spring and the game is played Aug. 6th.) that we get to have for about eight doubles type practices before the game. There will be a lot of activities for the players as the prepare for the game as well. Our coaching staff is four coaches (all of them HC for their programs). We have to come up with an offense and a defense that many of the players have never used (we haven't made our decision yet about the offense or defense we're going to use). We need to com up with a practice plan to install the offense and defense. Plus we need to see how the players we selected actually match up on the playing field. So, does anybody have any good advice (aside from have fun, as I think that'll be a given)? Anything would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! What I find interesting is the timing. Louisiana used to have an "All Star Week" in Late July with East/West all star games held at LSU in Basketball (mens/womens) volleyball, football..maybe baseball/softball I don't remember. The football game generally was lackluster at best, with many if not most of the best players in the state not playing because it was so close to the date they would report to their respective colleges (if they hadn't already gone in the summer) and the fact that those who weren't playing college ball really hadn't trained in the last 6/7 months. Even though the game is played in December now, I still don't think there are many blue chippers in the lineup--but that might be influenced by the selection process as well as other factors. That's exactly what happened in Virginia. |
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Post by canesfan on Feb 4, 2016 20:39:15 GMT -6
Here's my advice and what worked for us.
2 Platoon if possible. Everyone plays, and even if you lose out on talent you'll make up for it with kids knowing what to do. We put our best skill on offense, unless we had a definite LB or CB.
Play zone if you can. You can teach it in five days and it protects the big plays. Hard for an all star team to have a long drive.
Add to your coaching staff. We had coaches from other schools. Allows you to two platoon. Also helps with getting to know the team better.
Offensively, run what you can teach. Can't have many plays. Have a screen or two. A few drop backs and quicks. Maybe a playaction. Few run plays. Trick play or two for fun.
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Post by bigspicy on Feb 5, 2016 20:36:27 GMT -6
Don't you have a set D you have to run? Most all star games do to make it easier to prepare, ie 4-3 cov 0 5-2 cover 3 etc. Is there a HC for the game? Usually in games like that he's the one who installs the offense. We have a local all star game that I have coached several times and we just run a simple version of our stuff, like I said knowing the D you will face makes it easy so you can say when we run power you block him you block him and so on. Don't have to go through all kinds of rules. As far as coaching the kids one thing I was told the first time I coached an all star game was it's mostly installing and working on the schemes don't try and change too much of the kids technique. They are all-stars for a reason. When I did the OL I would do some 1-1, double teams, pulls, down blocks and the rest is all install. Do a bunch of 7-7 and/or team to get a look at the kids and see who fits where. And have fun! This holds true in the Greatest State of ALL, Texas. The way we did defense was based on who was calling the D. We ran a 5-2, it was really a 3-4 solid scheme, but since blitzing wasn't allowed, we placed our OLB type kids as the "DE" and played wide "5's" and our ends played 4i's and nose "0" Offensively, we ran a simple scheme. We ran two formations each way, that makes 4 formations. We had 3 run plays: toss, power, and iso. 2 pass pro (quick and 5 step) with 3, route combos each. Also, not sure if you're allowed to do this but we met two times before we met up as a team at location of practice. 1st time was board talk, gave them their playbooks, 2nd time was board talk and walk thru practice. We had players coming from all around the state, and TX is pretty big... I believe we had about 80% attendance. Good luck. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 5, 2016 22:00:16 GMT -6
Not to sound too gratuitous but I get the great honor of coaching in the Oregon East/West Shrine Game to benefit the Shriner's Children Hospital in Portland Oregon. You can't ask for a better cause than that! My question is what advice can anyone give about coaching in an all-star game? The players are all graduated Seniors (they graduate this Spring and the game is played Aug. 6th.) that we get to have for about eight doubles type practices before the game. There will be a lot of activities for the players as the prepare for the game as well. Our coaching staff is four coaches (all of them HC for their programs). We have to come up with an offense and a defense that many of the players have never used (we haven't made our decision yet about the offense or defense we're going to use). We need to com up with a practice plan to install the offense and defense. Plus we need to see how the players we selected actually match up on the playing field. So, does anybody have any good advice (aside from have fun, as I think that'll be a given)? Anything would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! I don't know how involved you'll be in choosing the players but if you can make sure that you have a true center. |
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