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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 1, 2016 11:51:11 GMT -6
What are your top 3 most important aspects of a successful football program?
All answers and ideas are welcome no matter how large or small, no matter how basic or in great detail.
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Post by doitforthekids on Feb 1, 2016 11:55:48 GMT -6
What are your top 3 most important aspects of a successful football program? All answers and ideas are welcome no matter how large or small, no matter how basic or in great detail. Go. Players selling out for team Player attention to detail Skill |
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Post by blb on Feb 1, 2016 11:55:56 GMT -6
As Woody Hayes wrote, "You Win With People!"
So....
1. Players
2. Coaches
3. Parents-Community-Administrators-Faculty/Staff
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Feb 1, 2016 12:21:51 GMT -6
1. Players- Buy in, work ethic, SKILL/WEIGHT ROOM
2. Coaches- Buy in, Loyalty, Relationship Builders/WEIGHT ROOM
3. Admin Support- Are those above willing to give you what you need (class sched, kids in weights, assistant coaches etc.) WEIGHT ROOM
Common Thread is Weight Room....The "recruiting" of high school football.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Feb 1, 2016 12:34:00 GMT -6
I'll give you 1.
Culture.
Every successful program has a winning culture. It makes them hardworking. It makes them dedicated. It makes them supportive and supported.
If you want to win, you win with your culture. You win with your brand, so to speak.
Players can win you games, coaches can win you games. Culture will drive it all.
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Post by collier on Feb 1, 2016 12:45:29 GMT -6
Lots of good stuff said already. Love the post on culture, pretty much sums it up. I'll add some things a little more tangible:
1- Great weight program.
2- Simple, sound scheme that is coached well.
3- Good players.
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Post by coachnewman on Feb 1, 2016 13:09:30 GMT -6
Weight Program
Admin Support
Coachable Talented Players
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 1, 2016 13:13:25 GMT -6
1. Weight program... Especially with in class lifting for all of the kids with their coach
2. Players... Weight room helps but having some raw talent is obviously critical
3. Money... Whether it comes from admin or boosters or fundraising... All successful teams I've seen have money coming in from somewhere... Even the "ghetto" schools get it somehow some way
Notice I didn't mention coaching in the top 3. We think too highly of ourselves sometimes (myself included) Xs and Os, play calling... All overrated
We've all made great play calls that didn't gain a yard, and horrible play calls that got lucky and your stud popped it for a big play or something
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Post by wingtol on Feb 1, 2016 13:24:46 GMT -6
Players--not just stud athletes but guys who buy in and work hard in and offseason
Schematic Identity-- what are you known for year in year out and everyone in the program buys in to what you do
Character Education-- coach your players from the inside out
Bonus aspect-- coaches who know their roles and aren't undermining anyone or looking to use you as a step to that next job
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Post by diekmannb on Feb 1, 2016 13:25:21 GMT -6
1. Relationships
2. Weight Room
3. Simple Schemes
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Post by fbs on Feb 1, 2016 14:39:55 GMT -6
1. Weight program... Especially with in class lifting for all of the kids with their coach 2. Players... Weight room helps but having some raw talent is obviously critical 3. Money... Whether it comes from admin or boosters or fundraising... All successful teams I've seen have money coming in from somewhere... Even the "ghetto" schools get it somehow some way Notice I didn't mention coaching in the top 3. We think too highly of ourselves sometimes (myself included) Xs and Os, play calling... All overrated We've all made great play calls that didn't gain a yard, and horrible play calls that got lucky and your stud popped it for a big play or something +1000. Well said sir in regards to 1 and 2. I don't completely agree with 3, and it's from experience. The post script there is dead on the money. A lot of the answers so far have been all the right "coach" answers. I'll take my 6'4 stallion and run over your 5'8 Rudy wannabe all day. We overplay our hand way too often, and it's because we want to feel like we have control over the game... I hate to tell you boys, but sometimes what you call just doesn't matter as much as the cats on the field. Talent wins. Can we make talent better? Sure... can we help kids realize potential? That's our job. Does it start and end with us? Not even close. |
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Post by blb on Feb 1, 2016 17:11:36 GMT -6
The importance of good, quality assistant coaches seems to be underestimated.
Bear Bryant said "Football, more than any other, is a coaches' game."
That doesn't necessarily mean out-smarting the other guys with Xs and Os.
And not just the header.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 1, 2016 17:16:52 GMT -6
What are your top 3 most important aspects of a successful football program? All answers and ideas are welcome no matter how large or small, no matter how basic or in great detail. Go. 1) a coach with a sensible plan- has to know his stuff 2) kids who will do and can do- unselfish and coachable, work ethic kids 3) administration that supports the coach
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 1, 2016 17:33:40 GMT -6
1-Year Round Weights
2-Admin who ideally are supportive and realistically get out of your way
3-Leadership with a vision
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Post by wingtol on Feb 1, 2016 18:41:40 GMT -6
1. Weight program... Especially with in class lifting for all of the kids with their coach 2. Players... Weight room helps but having some raw talent is obviously critical 3. Money... Whether it comes from admin or boosters or fundraising... All successful teams I've seen have money coming in from somewhere... Even the "ghetto" schools get it somehow some way Notice I didn't mention coaching in the top 3. We think too highly of ourselves sometimes (myself included) Xs and Os, play calling... All overrated We've all made great play calls that didn't gain a yard, and horrible play calls that got lucky and your stud popped it for a big play or something +1000. Well said sir in regards to 1 and 2. I don't completely agree with 3, and it's from experience. The post script there is dead on the money. A lot of the answers so far have been all the right "coach" answers. I'll take my 6'4 stallion and run over your 5'8 Rudy wannabe all day. We overplay our hand way too often, and it's because we want to feel like we have control over the game... I hate to tell you boys, but sometimes what you call just doesn't matter as much as the cats on the field. Talent wins. Can we make talent better? Sure... can we help kids realize potential? That's our job. Does it start and end with us? Not even close. Coaching matters don't kid yourself. Just remember all coaching isn't calling a play or X and O's. If you ask me that's about 10% of coaching. Been fortunate to have been at two programs, not to pat myself on the back, we have turned around from laughing stocks into winning programs real quickly. Do we have good players. Sure we do. We as a staff are great friends, like best men in weddings and God parents of kids close, love the guys to death. But they are not great or even close to it X and O guys. Not sure if anyone else on staff besides myself and HC could draw up one of our plays completely. But they are great coaches none the less and make a huge impact on our players. I believe you need to win the players before you win a game, and that takes great coaches which can't be under looked. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 1, 2016 19:04:01 GMT -6
1. Weight program... Especially with in class lifting for all of the kids with their coach 2. Players... Weight room helps but having some raw talent is obviously critical 3. Money... Whether it comes from admin or boosters or fundraising... All successful teams I've seen have money coming in from somewhere... Even the "ghetto" schools get it somehow some way Notice I didn't mention coaching in the top 3. We think too highly of ourselves sometimes (myself included) Xs and Os, play calling... All overrated We've all made great play calls that didn't gain a yard, and horrible play calls that got lucky and your stud popped it for a big play or something I have to disagree with a lot of this: 1. A weight program is critical but having a weight lifting class isn't as important. 2. Of course you need players but I still believe that most schools have good enough players in their school to be competitive in their league. I think that the mistake that we're making is assuming that "great program" means "consistently big winner". You need great players to be the latter but there are a lot of great programs that don't win big all the time but they get the most out the talent. 3. Money is nice but I think it's highly overrated in creating a great program. 4. Coaching, to me, is the single most important factor in creating a great program. As blb said, scheme stuff is a pretty small part of coaching. Motivating and teaching technique are more important and it takes a good staff to do that. That weight program that everybody agrees is important? That's coaching, too. Great programs have a core of dedicated coaches who are willing to put work in year-round. 5. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 1, 2016 19:51:56 GMT -6
1 coaching
2 community
3 kids
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 2, 2016 12:14:02 GMT -6
The importance of good, quality assistant coaches seems to be underestimated.
Bear Bryant said "Football, more than any other, is a coaches' game."
That doesn't necessarily mean out-smarting the other guys with Xs and Os.
And not just the header.
Dang it blb you stole mine! Assistant coaches > head coach. I'm a HC and it's not even close IMO. @bdud I agree X's and O's and playcalling are extremely overrated. However, while I think you definitely need players to have special seasons, those teams that have success EVERY year (besides the ones that recruit) have excellent coaching staffs who are great teachers, motivators, and mentors. |
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Post by windigo on Feb 2, 2016 13:59:11 GMT -6
Culture is mentioned but I think its being over simplified. Its very hard to have a football team culture when the rest of the day a bad culture at the school permeates. We have been effective by changing the culture of the school by instilling school pride in the players. Never forget that the jockocracy runs the school. Your players sit at the head of it. If you build school pride it will filter through them to the rest of the school and then feedback. In the 6 years I've seen it in action the effect it has had on our school and not just our team has been amazing.
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Feb 2, 2016 14:00:44 GMT -6
Culture is mentioned but I think its being over simplified. Its very hard to have a football team culture when the rest of the day a bad culture at the school permeates. We have been effective by changing the culture of the school by instilling school pride in the players. Never forget that the jockocracy runs the school. Your players sit at the head of it. If you build school pride it will filter through them to the rest of the school and then feedback. In the 6 years I've seen it in action the effect it has had on our school and not just our team has been amazing. Coach: don't want to jack the thread, could you PM some things that you all do that have turned around the school atmosphere? Thanks |
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Post by spartandefense on Feb 2, 2016 14:07:22 GMT -6
For those of you who don't have weight room first, have you ever coached at a place where kids don't lift (and play teams that do) or eat properly?
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Post by jg78 on Feb 2, 2016 14:11:10 GMT -6
1. Players
2. Coaches
3. Support
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 2, 2016 15:49:08 GMT -6
For those of you who don't have weight room first, have you ever coached at a place where kids don't lift (and play teams that do) or eat properly?
With my list, you can see where "weight room" could be worked into all three of the the comments I made. Its part of a smart coaches plan, it is only useful if the kids can and will do what they are expected to do and it only matters if the idea is supported by the admin.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 2, 2016 18:34:28 GMT -6
For those of you who don't have weight room first, have you ever coached at a place where kids don't lift (and play teams that do) or eat properly? Yes, and were awful. I didnt put put weight room because the weight room is a thing. If the coaches don't emphasize the weight room, it does little to improve the program. If the community and kids aren't vested in the idea of the weight room, then it does little to improve the program. I've had kids that basically had a weight room that was a junk yard, but they pushed that crap around because it was important to the coaches, the kids, and the parents. They showed up and showed out, as best they could given the equipment. |
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Post by sweep26 on Feb 2, 2016 20:24:42 GMT -6
It is a people business:
Coaches
Players
Administration
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 10, 2016 21:05:44 GMT -6
1. PLAYERS - I agree with fantom, good programs don't always have d1 players but good players
2. COACHES - You need them to run a REAL Program
3. WEIGHT ROOM - Must have helps create players
Then Support & MONEY...
Admin Support helps you make 2 and 3 a priority and Money allows you to do things that can make a difference.
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Post by spreadpowero on Feb 10, 2016 21:14:53 GMT -6
Make it fun. Remember it's only a game.
Good coaches.
A good out of season program
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2016 9:04:55 GMT -6
For those of you who don't have weight room first, have you ever coached at a place where kids don't lift (and play teams that do) or eat properly? My thoughts on the "weight room" being an important aspect of a successful program : I think it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to have one to keep you from being a bottom dweller. However, since 99.9% of good to great programs have quality S&C programs, I don't think a "weight program" will elevate you to a successful level. The other successful teams already have one. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 11, 2016 10:56:17 GMT -6
1. Weight program... Especially with in class lifting for all of the kids with their coach 2. Players... Weight room helps but having some raw talent is obviously critical 3. Money... Whether it comes from admin or boosters or fundraising... All successful teams I've seen have money coming in from somewhere... Even the "ghetto" schools get it somehow some way Notice I didn't mention coaching in the top 3. We think too highly of ourselves sometimes (myself included) Xs and Os, play calling... All overrated We've all made great play calls that didn't gain a yard, and horrible play calls that got lucky and your stud popped it for a big play or something Agreed, but I'd say one aspect of coaching is X's and O's, but more importantly is: Coaching- decision making, dedication, innovation, communication skills etc. How do programs go from 2-8 to State champs in a year or two? With the same kids? Often it's coaching- Coaching creates this culture you speak of, creates a sound o/d/spt system that plays on their kids abilities and doesn't contradict them, creates the beliefs needed to win games, creates the family environment etc...it doesn't just magically happen. To me, a successful program starts with coaching. 1) Coaching Leadership to set the culture 2) Players 3) Admin Support Happy kids=happy parents EDIT - I surrounded myself with the best coaches I know and turned a program around that didn't have a winning season in 10+ years...won the state championship with the same kids that went 5-5 the first year and 2-8 the year before. Same kids, different culture, different philosophy, sound systems of play...all coaching decisions. |
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Post by s73 on Feb 11, 2016 11:01:44 GMT -6
GOOD weight program (that means it's well taught, well designed & has HIGH PARTICIPATION)
Well coached/ designed schemes
Players (quality & quantity are important IMO so you can foster competition).
JMO.
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