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Post by coachphillip on Jan 29, 2016 0:58:03 GMT -6
... on Facebook. Thought other coaches would appreciate it.
1. Today's players' realities? The reality is that although elite level athletes have gotten bigger, faster, and stronger (some naturally, but many chemically assisted), the every day high school athlete is not nearly powerful enough to "out hit" his equipment. That is the reality. Any athlete who plays on tv is a FREAK. The likes of which Mt. Eden has not had since I've been there. Those guys are the genetic exceptions. Our kids will be fine.
2. The pro game is getting safer. You're absolutely right, you will never watch the game the same again. Know why? The game looks NOTHING like the game of yesteryear. This is especially true of any time where a team in LA existed. Rule changes have led to a safer game. It almost seems like every "big hit" that occurs leads me to look around for a flag. That is due to the NFL owning up to its past and trying to create a safer game that will last.
3. The HS game is getting safer. I attended, as did every single coach in my league, a seminar on the dangers of concussions. This was also our annual meeting with the officiating association. In it, the head of referees said, "If I see a big hit, you will be flagged. I don't care if it was "good football". We are trying to make the game safe."
4. The coaches are getting better. Like I said, we attended a seminar on this material over the summer. If you didn't? That's fine. Don't coach. It's that important. We get concussion certified, COR certified, first aid certified ... We got it. And, if that isn't enough, there's a medical trainer at the game. There are guys around who can handle themselves now because coaches are taking ownership and taking it upon ourselves to be better qualified. We even change the way we tackle and block so as to minimize contact of any kind with the head. That's huge.
5. Lastly, the majority of head injuries occur for the same reason in my experience. Improper technique. Of course your kid hurt his head. That kid is 220 and he ran into him full speed and your kid tried to stop him by bending over, putting his spine in flexion, and then hitting him with the back of his head. We-do-not-teach-that. Ever. We preach to kids, "Get your eyes up and use your chest and shoulder for contact." We critique, "Your eyes are low. You're not using proper form." We chastise, "Get your eyes up or you will be a cripple!" And then they do what they do. Improper technique has led to most of the head injuries I've witnessed.
I understand the dilemma. I understand that some guy saying, "Your kid could get hurt driving a car," isn't going to help you feel better about your child strapping on plastic and running head on into another man. But, good coaches won't tell him to that anyway. I'm not asking you not to worry, because you are parents and you will. I'm just asking that you take a second to think about all the dumb, dangerous, possibly alcohol fueled debauchery you got into when you were young and ask yourself if it taught you half the life lessons that your kid could learn from playing football. If you still feel the same, then hold him out. It's your right as a parent. Just hope his next hobby is just as character building. Hopefully the hobby isn't behind that wheel we talked about earlier.
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Post by brophy on Jan 29, 2016 5:03:31 GMT -6
that is a really poor argument made dumber by using Facebook
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Post by NC1974 on Jan 29, 2016 6:03:23 GMT -6
"the every day high school athlete is not nearly powerful enough to "out hit" his equipment." Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/72256/fighting-good-fight#ixzz3ydMr6isFHe loses me with above quote. IMO, he doesn't seem to be current on the research. Everyone is talking about concussions, when the researchers are stating that the "sub-concussive" hits, the ones that happen almost every down on the OL and DL, might be as much as if not a bigger concern. And even if we were just talking concussions, the above quote would lead one to believe that there has never been one at the high school level, which is of course false. |
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Post by leighty on Jan 29, 2016 7:13:24 GMT -6
All that anecdotal evidence wouldn't comfort me if I were a parent.
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Post by natenator on Jan 29, 2016 7:43:29 GMT -6
"the every day high school athlete is not nearly powerful enough to "out hit" his equipment." Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/72256/fighting-good-fight#ixzz3ydMr6isFHe loses me with above quote. IMO, he doesn't seem to be current on the research. Everyone is talking about concussions, when the researchers are stating that the "sub-concussive" hits, the ones that happen almost every down on the OL and DL, might be as much as if not a bigger concern. And even if we were just talking concussions, the above quote would lead one to believe that there has never been one at the high school level, which is of course false. I feel football in Canada helps in thus regard since players are required to be 1 yard off the ball. |
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Post by John Knight on Jan 29, 2016 7:44:38 GMT -6
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Post by leighty on Jan 29, 2016 7:45:13 GMT -6
I feel football in Canada helps in thus regard since players are required to be 1 yard off the ball. I think being farther apart would make things worse. |
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Post by natenator on Jan 29, 2016 7:52:16 GMT -6
I feel football in Canada helps in thus regard since players are required to be 1 yard off the ball. I think being farther apart would make things worse. From a DL perspective I think it makes it easier to remove the '3 points of contact' from the equation and focus extensively on leverage and hands as opposed to out right power. Of course, maybe because that is how i've already been teaching DL play the past 5 years so my observation may be biased. |
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Post by leighty on Jan 29, 2016 7:57:21 GMT -6
This assumes that a child would seek an alternative to playing football or isn't already participating in those other activities. In my experience, kids don't leave football to give boxing a try. They leave football and go work at Wal-Mart. |
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Post by natenator on Jan 29, 2016 8:08:46 GMT -6
This assumes that a child would seek an alternative to playing football or isn't already participating in those other activities. In my experience, kids don't leave football to give boxing a try. They leave football and go work at Wal-Mart. Speaking of boxing. Had a kid on the team this year who boxes and had a match the morning before an evening game. Parent was pissed that we kept his kid out of the game. I'm finding that most times I have to protect players from their parents stupidity more than the dangers of the game |
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Post by silkyice on Jan 29, 2016 8:18:29 GMT -6
... on Facebook. Thought other coaches would appreciate it. 1. Today's players' realities? The reality is that although elite level athletes have gotten bigger, faster, and stronger (some naturally, but many chemically assisted), the every day high school athlete is not nearly powerful enough to "out hit" his equipment. That is the reality. Any athlete who plays on tv is a FREAK. The likes of which Mt. Eden has not had since I've been there. Those guys are the genetic exceptions. Our kids will be fine. 2. The pro game is getting safer. You're absolutely right, you will never watch the game the same again. Know why? The game looks NOTHING like the game of yesteryear. This is especially true of any time where a team in LA existed. Rule changes have led to a safer game. It almost seems like every "big hit" that occurs leads me to look around for a flag. That is due to the NFL owning up to its past and trying to create a safer game that will last. 3. The HS game is getting safer. I attended, as did every single coach in my league, a seminar on the dangers of concussions. This was also our annual meeting with the officiating association. In it, the head of referees said, "If I see a big hit, you will be flagged. I don't care if it was "good football". We are trying to make the game safe." 4. The coaches are getting better. Like I said, we attended a seminar on this material over the summer. If you didn't? That's fine. Don't coach. It's that important. We get concussion certified, COR certified, first aid certified ... We got it. And, if that isn't enough, there's a medical trainer at the game. There are guys around who can handle themselves now because coaches are taking ownership and taking it upon ourselves to be better qualified. We even change the way we tackle and block so as to minimize contact of any kind with the head. That's huge. 5. Lastly, the majority of head injuries occur for the same reason in my experience. Improper technique. Of course your kid hurt his head. That kid is 220 and he ran into him full speed and your kid tried to stop him by bending over, putting his spine in flexion, and then hitting him with the back of his head. We-do-not-teach-that. Ever. We preach to kids, "Get your eyes up and use your chest and shoulder for contact." We critique, "Your eyes are low. You're not using proper form." We chastise, "Get your eyes up or you will be a cripple!" And then they do what they do. Improper technique has led to most of the head injuries I've witnessed. I understand the dilemma. I understand that some guy saying, "Your kid could get hurt driving a car," isn't going to help you feel better about your child strapping on plastic and running head on into another man. But, good coaches won't tell him to that anyway. I'm not asking you not to worry, because you are parents and you will. I'm just asking that you take a second to think about all the dumb, dangerous, possibly alcohol fueled debauchery you got into when you were young and ask yourself if it taught you half the life lessons that your kid could learn from playing football. If you still feel the same, then hold him out. It's your right as a parent. Just hope his next hobby is just as character building. Hopefully the hobby isn't behind that wheel we talked about earlier. Don't forget that helmets are tremendously better than 20-30 years ago. |
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Post by natenator on Jan 29, 2016 8:20:08 GMT -6
... on Facebook. Thought other coaches would appreciate it. 1. Today's players' realities? The reality is that although elite level athletes have gotten bigger, faster, and stronger (some naturally, but many chemically assisted), the every day high school athlete is not nearly powerful enough to "out hit" his equipment. That is the reality. Any athlete who plays on tv is a FREAK. The likes of which Mt. Eden has not had since I've been there. Those guys are the genetic exceptions. Our kids will be fine. 2. The pro game is getting safer. You're absolutely right, you will never watch the game the same again. Know why? The game looks NOTHING like the game of yesteryear. This is especially true of any time where a team in LA existed. Rule changes have led to a safer game. It almost seems like every "big hit" that occurs leads me to look around for a flag. That is due to the NFL owning up to its past and trying to create a safer game that will last. 3. The HS game is getting safer. I attended, as did every single coach in my league, a seminar on the dangers of concussions. This was also our annual meeting with the officiating association. In it, the head of referees said, "If I see a big hit, you will be flagged. I don't care if it was "good football". We are trying to make the game safe." 4. The coaches are getting better. Like I said, we attended a seminar on this material over the summer. If you didn't? That's fine. Don't coach. It's that important. We get concussion certified, COR certified, first aid certified ... We got it. And, if that isn't enough, there's a medical trainer at the game. There are guys around who can handle themselves now because coaches are taking ownership and taking it upon ourselves to be better qualified. We even change the way we tackle and block so as to minimize contact of any kind with the head. That's huge. 5. Lastly, the majority of head injuries occur for the same reason in my experience. Improper technique. Of course your kid hurt his head. That kid is 220 and he ran into him full speed and your kid tried to stop him by bending over, putting his spine in flexion, and then hitting him with the back of his head. We-do-not-teach-that. Ever. We preach to kids, "Get your eyes up and use your chest and shoulder for contact." We critique, "Your eyes are low. You're not using proper form." We chastise, "Get your eyes up or you will be a cripple!" And then they do what they do. Improper technique has led to most of the head injuries I've witnessed. I understand the dilemma. I understand that some guy saying, "Your kid could get hurt driving a car," isn't going to help you feel better about your child strapping on plastic and running head on into another man. But, good coaches won't tell him to that anyway. I'm not asking you not to worry, because you are parents and you will. I'm just asking that you take a second to think about all the dumb, dangerous, possibly alcohol fueled debauchery you got into when you were young and ask yourself if it taught you half the life lessons that your kid could learn from playing football. If you still feel the same, then hold him out. It's your right as a parent. Just hope his next hobby is just as character building. Hopefully the hobby isn't behind that wheel we talked about earlier. Don't forget that helmets are tremendously better than 20-30 years ago. Can't tell if being sarcastic? |
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Post by brophy on Jan 29, 2016 8:57:19 GMT -6
What would be the alternatives to my son playing football? pretty sure the alternative activity is playing video games and eating cheesy poofs |
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Post by vicvinegar on Jan 30, 2016 18:40:00 GMT -6
What would be the alternatives to my son playing football? pretty sure the alternative activity is playing video games and eating cheesy poofs 1) I hate these threads 2) To the people who are up in arms about HS football players developing problems later in life because they played football. Let's start that thread. How many people do YOU know that played HS football and how many later developed problems? I bet that percentage is real low. I know a lot that played, I don't know ANY that later developed problems because of it. 3) you nailed it! I'll be willing to bet that the type 2 diabetes they develop from sitting around playing video games or working at the fast food joint will give them a lot more problems later in life than anything they'll develop from playing football, especially at the HS level. I AM IN NO WAY SAYING SAFETY SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. However as Danny Kanell would say, I'm tired of the war on football. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 30, 2016 19:23:14 GMT -6
... on Facebook. Thought other coaches would appreciate it. 1. Today's players' realities? The reality is that although elite level athletes have gotten bigger, faster, and stronger (some naturally, but many chemically assisted), the every day high school athlete is not nearly powerful enough to "out hit" his equipment. That is the reality. Any athlete who plays on tv is a FREAK. The likes of which Mt. Eden has not had since I've been there. Those guys are the genetic exceptions. Our kids will be fine. 2. The pro game is getting safer. You're absolutely right, you will never watch the game the same again. Know why? The game looks NOTHING like the game of yesteryear. This is especially true of any time where a team in LA existed. Rule changes have led to a safer game. It almost seems like every "big hit" that occurs leads me to look around for a flag. That is due to the NFL owning up to its past and trying to create a safer game that will last. 3. The HS game is getting safer. I attended, as did every single coach in my league, a seminar on the dangers of concussions. This was also our annual meeting with the officiating association. In it, the head of referees said, "If I see a big hit, you will be flagged. I don't care if it was "good football". We are trying to make the game safe." 4. The coaches are getting better. Like I said, we attended a seminar on this material over the summer. If you didn't? That's fine. Don't coach. It's that important. We get concussion certified, COR certified, first aid certified ... We got it. And, if that isn't enough, there's a medical trainer at the game. There are guys around who can handle themselves now because coaches are taking ownership and taking it upon ourselves to be better qualified. We even change the way we tackle and block so as to minimize contact of any kind with the head. That's huge. 5. Lastly, the majority of head injuries occur for the same reason in my experience. Improper technique. Of course your kid hurt his head. That kid is 220 and he ran into him full speed and your kid tried to stop him by bending over, putting his spine in flexion, and then hitting him with the back of his head. We-do-not-teach-that. Ever. We preach to kids, "Get your eyes up and use your chest and shoulder for contact." We critique, "Your eyes are low. You're not using proper form." We chastise, "Get your eyes up or you will be a cripple!" And then they do what they do. Improper technique has led to most of the head injuries I've witnessed. I understand the dilemma. I understand that some guy saying, "Your kid could get hurt driving a car," isn't going to help you feel better about your child strapping on plastic and running head on into another man. But, good coaches won't tell him to that anyway. I'm not asking you not to worry, because you are parents and you will. I'm just asking that you take a second to think about all the dumb, dangerous, possibly alcohol fueled debauchery you got into when you were young and ask yourself if it taught you half the life lessons that your kid could learn from playing football. If you still feel the same, then hold him out. It's your right as a parent. Just hope his next hobby is just as character building. Hopefully the hobby isn't behind that wheel we talked about earlier. Don't forget that helmets are tremendously better than 20-30 years ago. I'm not so sure. When I played we wore Riddell Suspension helmets and I don't remember a lot of concussions. I think that's because very few people were stupid enough to lower their heads and ram somebody while wearing one of those beasts. |
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