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Post by CoachWeitz on Jan 14, 2016 8:00:57 GMT -6
I hope I'm not recreating a thread but I tried to search for it and couldn't find it.
How many programs have their JV as a separate team where they don't practice with the Varsity? I'm assuming this would be mainly large, two platoon teams or are there a few small schools that do this as well? If you do have a separate team for your JV what are the advantages/disadvantages of doing it this way and do you prefer it?
In my area all JV teams practice with the Varsity and the Frosh operate as their own team so I'm interested in how this works and what are some of the potential advantages of it.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by blb on Jan 14, 2016 8:10:45 GMT -6
Except for playoffs (when we would bring some or all up) only once had our JVs practice with Varsity and that was because of numbers.
Wanted JVs separate because of physical disparity between Varsity and JV kids, especially Seniors-Sophomores; In-Season the JVs schedule would be different because they played on different nights; Varsity kids would get less reps-I would be spending time coaching kids who wouldn't be playing for me Friday (and some who would never play Varsity); wanted our JV coaches to coach both sides of the ball as they would have to on game night to aid in their development, and let them have some autonomy.
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Post by joelee on Jan 14, 2016 8:49:28 GMT -6
We platoon and range between 105 to 95 kids on the roster every year. Our JV kids practice with us in drill groups and make up 90% of the prep teams.
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Post by rosey65 on Jan 14, 2016 10:17:09 GMT -6
We rep together non-contact off-season lifting and drills, but we are completely separate once the season starts. The Varsity needs the reps to be ready for friday nights, and the JV needs all the reps they can just to not embarrass themselves on thursdays. I dont see, at least with our system, how being on the practice squad in high school can help young kids learn the particulars of the game, let alone their own position and techniques.
Our JV teams runs a watered-down version of the Varsity's Wing-T. They spend all their time repping the basics, so that when they are on Varsity, they are able to slide right in to our new plays, the terminology, and our adjustments. We dont have a freshman program, it's just JV/Var.
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Post by casec11 on Jan 14, 2016 13:03:02 GMT -6
We do not practice together. We are a large school that two platoons. I am a JV coach and we try to use as much varsity as we can... we definitely use the terminology
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jan 14, 2016 13:45:41 GMT -6
We are a small school that has just the numbers to do it. This was my first year as HC and I felt it would be a great way to develop our young guys since we don't have freshmen teams in our conference. Our JV is mostly freshmen and sophomores. It went well and was good reps and development for them. The other big reason was to keep the young guys away from some toxic upper classmen. We got rid of a lot but it was still good to keep those young guys doing their own thing. For my second year things should be much better as a result both from a knowing how to act as well as developmental standpoint.
In practice, everyone had INDY periods together, then we split for all group periods. Even during scout period, we had enough to use our guys who were either mainly defensive guys or just backups to fill in scout team and we did not disturb the JV practice.
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Post by agap on Jan 14, 2016 15:15:13 GMT -6
Everyone has Indy together for the most part. We try to separate the underclassmen but sometimes we can't because of numbers.
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Post by vicvinegar on Jan 14, 2016 22:01:36 GMT -6
We rep together non-contact off-season lifting and drills, but we are completely separate once the season starts. The Varsity needs the reps to be ready for friday nights, and the JV needs all the reps they can just to not embarrass themselves on thursdays. I dont see, at least with our system, how being on the practice squad in high school can help young kids learn the particulars of the game, let alone their own position and techniques. Our JV teams runs a watered-down version of the Varsity's Wing-T. They spend all their time repping the basics, so that when they are on Varsity, they are able to slide right in to our new plays, the terminology, and our adjustments. We dont have a freshman program, it's just JV/Var. We did the same thing a few years back. Numbers got a little low and just didn't go back once they went back up. People have mentioned a lot of the same pros we experienced. We were the only team in the area doing it so we were better prepared and only lost one game. Cons- our varsity was good, but just kept losing close games. Varsity grew frustrated and JV got a big head. Talked a lot of **** of how they were better and some of them should start over others on Varsity. REALLY divided the locker room. Even carried over into the hallways. Lost a lot that year so the following year that JV was basically the Varsity... The success they had didn't really transfer up. Not sure if they would've benefitted more from practicing against varsity and some guys getting a little ST play on Fridays. Still torn on it. Lot of pro's, but there are con's. |
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Post by coachirish on Jan 15, 2016 6:27:48 GMT -6
I think to go seperat you have to have the man power. I am at the point where I would like to go seperate, however we only have 4 coaches including myself. I just dont see it happening for us becuase of that.
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Post by rosey65 on Jan 15, 2016 6:36:42 GMT -6
I think to go seperat you have to have the man power. I am at the point where I would like to go seperate, however we only have 4 coaches including myself. I just dont see it happening for us becuase of that. We have a fairly large coaching staff, which is why we can and do split. We are "scrambling," because as of now we only have 4 JV coaches. We have a fair amount of turnover, we we have a core group of about 12 coaches total in our program. |
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Post by CoachWeitz on Jan 15, 2016 7:10:54 GMT -6
Except for playoffs (when we would bring some or all up) only once had our JVs practice with Varsity and that was because of numbers. Wanted JVs separate because of physical disparity between Varsity and JV kids, especially Seniors-Sophomores; In-Season the JVs schedule would be different because they played on different nights; Varsity kids would get less reps-I would be spending time coaching kids who wouldn't be playing for me Friday (and some who would never play Varsity); wanted our JV coaches to coach both sides of the ball as they would have to on game night to aid in their development, and let them have some autonomy. Thanks for the response guys. The physical disparity is kind of what got me thinking about this. Also I feel like the JV players could probably develop faster if they had more reps and practices aimed directly at them. We're a large program in the largest division so we two platoon. We have a very large coaching staff so I think we could probably handle it in that regard. For those of you who two platoon and separate your JV, what players make up your scout team for the Varsity? Also how do you handle special teams? Is that all Varsity players? Thanks again guys, this board is awesome because of how great members are at sharing ideas, definitely lets me think outside of the the way we've always done things. |
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Post by blb on Jan 15, 2016 7:21:17 GMT -6
Our Scout teams are the Varsity players who are not on the starting Offense or Defense, whatever we are practicing at the time.
We play our best players on Special Teams unless there is a backup we can trust to get a starter, especially a two-way one, off of one or more.
Should note in our state kids can only play one game every seven days. So kids cannot play in both JV game (typically Thursday) and Varsity (mostly Fridays).
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Post by rosey65 on Jan 15, 2016 7:26:32 GMT -6
Our Scout teams are the Varsity players who are not on the starting Offense or Defense, whatever we are practicing at the time. We play our best players on Special Teams unless there is a backup we can trust to get a starter, especially a two-way one, off of one or more. Should note in our state kids can only play one game every seven days. So kids cannot play in both JV game (typically Thursday) and Varsity (mostly Fridays). ^what he said..... |
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Post by spreadpowero on Jan 16, 2016 16:40:09 GMT -6
Our JV works out and practices separately. Our weight room is to small, and we have to many players to put them all together all the time. The problem with this is that to many of our JV players come to varsity with poor basic fundamentals.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jan 16, 2016 18:43:27 GMT -6
We are separate but emulate the varsity program all the way down through the 7th grade.
Gives our coaches some autonomy to and a chance to develop as mentioned earlier. Gives our kids more reps too.
In the programs I have coached in where they were not separate, the JV kids never got many practice reps and didn't develop the way they needed to.
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Post by coachirish on Jan 16, 2016 19:09:33 GMT -6
We are separate but emulate the varsity program all the way down through the 7th grade. Gives our coaches some autonomy to and a chance to develop as mentioned earlier. Gives our kids more reps too. In the programs I have coached in where they were not separate, the JV kids never got many practice reps and didn't develop the way they needed to. How many coaches do you have? |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jan 16, 2016 19:40:10 GMT -6
We are separate but emulate the varsity program all the way down through the 7th grade. Gives our coaches some autonomy to and a chance to develop as mentioned earlier. Gives our kids more reps too. In the programs I have coached in where they were not separate, the JV kids never got many practice reps and didn't develop the way they needed to. How many coaches do you have? At the JV and freshman level there are 4 each, at the varsity level 8. |
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