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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2016 18:12:13 GMT -6
Story is about high school basketball, but you have to think this will have repercussions for football, as well: www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/01/11/wisconsin-high-school-basketball-air-ball-scoreboard-chants-bannedSeriously...who thinks this stuff up? What the heck is wrong with the person who thought that these fun and completely innocent chants are a problem? Must be someone who is just really sad and hollow inside...someone whose butthurt alarm has a hair trigger. I guess that fans should just sit quietly and politely. This is pretty much going to be the only form of fan expression allowed:  |
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Post by morris on Jan 12, 2016 19:32:21 GMT -6
Basketball chants are part of HS basketball. Most are pretty harmless and pretty creative. I honestly really enjoy
Them. I don't know about other parts of the country but around here (some of it in the Cincy area too) football chants are a different animal. The stuff I've heard from student sections at football games at times are way over the top. Most of the time it's some form of homosexual slur or comment. Catholic school get it rough as you can imagine. Part of this is that football student sections around here aren't policed as well as basketball gyms.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 12, 2016 20:58:32 GMT -6
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Post by acarrick on Jan 13, 2016 8:31:01 GMT -6
As a coach in WI this is embarrassing. I'll be curious to see if my players are talking about it in the weight room this PM. Jay Bilas tears this apart on Twitter - I'd recommend checking it out - twitter.com/JayBilas |
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Post by agap on Jan 13, 2016 8:33:11 GMT -6
Just make sure your players don't tweet about it. I thought I read a girl got suspended for 5 games because she tweeted something about this.
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Post by acarrick on Jan 13, 2016 8:36:19 GMT -6
Just make sure your players don't tweet about it. I thought I read a girl got suspended for 5 games because she tweeted something about this. That would be correct. It was a girls basketball player who tweeted "Eat **** WIAA" - Which is what we're all thinking. There's a lot bigger issues in athletics in this state than regulating social media. |
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 13, 2016 8:37:40 GMT -6
Just make sure your players don't tweet about it. I thought I read a girl got suspended for 5 games because she tweeted something about this. And they wonder why society and young people have so many problems. |
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 13, 2016 8:42:26 GMT -6
C'mon...it's Wisconsin..the same state from "Making a Murderer" on netflix. They aren't having a stellar 2016 in terms of PR
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 13, 2016 9:17:09 GMT -6
Here are a few thoughts.
1. The girl needs a consequence. If I went on Twitter and told the league association to "Eat {censored}" like she did I would be censured. No doubt about it. We as coaches and teachers (parents too) try to teach kids there are consequences about using social media. Is it worth a 5-game suspension like I read? I don't think so. I don't think it is on the same level as a chemical violation in my state. But there needs to be consequences. Maybe had she said "WIAA, I disagree with your policy, don't hate the fun" that would have been different. Society has put these communication tools into the hands of young people who don't really understand rules and boundaries yet. I had to remove a player from our football team two seasons ago because he ripped coaches and teammates on Twitter. Then he was told to take it down. He continued to violate rules so he chose to be removed. There are consequences.
2. I also think it is OK for fans to chant at games. Overrated, start the bus, air ball etc. What is wrong with that? Some would argue that fans should only say positive things and cheer for their team. Fine. That is your opinion. Going on the road and playing in the opponent's gym with their student section screaming "air ball" is traditional. I don't think booing officials or coaches, or booing players is acceptable.
3. Is this really a problem in football? At the end of games we do a "victory chant." Next thing I know the league will tell me our boys can't spell out V-I-C-T-O-R-Y after a win because it offends the other team's fans. If it offends you and you don't want us to do it, then win the game.
4. There's a difference between sportsmanship and hyper-sportsmanship.
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Post by funkfriss on Jan 13, 2016 9:31:37 GMT -6
I always tell the basketball players if they walk away from a game pissed off or annoyed at the opponent's student section then that was a damn good student section.
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Post by natenator on Jan 13, 2016 9:40:29 GMT -6
If it offends you and you don't want us to do it, then win the game. 4. There's a difference between sportsmanship and hyper-sportsmanship. "If you don't like us dancing then don't let us get in the endzone" - Melvin Bratton, The U |
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Post by silkyice on Jan 13, 2016 10:42:37 GMT -6
Story is about high school basketball, but you have to think this will have repercussions for football, as well: www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/01/11/wisconsin-high-school-basketball-air-ball-scoreboard-chants-bannedSeriously...who thinks this stuff up? What the heck is wrong with the person who thought that these fun and completely innocent chants are a problem? Must be someone who is just really sad and hollow inside...someone whose butthurt alarm has a hair trigger. I guess that fans should just sit quietly and politely. This is pretty much going to be the only form of fan expression allowed: So what is the penalty? Is it a technical foul? A fine? Who enforces this? I can't imagine the refs are happy if they have to enforce. Can't imagine administrators are happy if they have to enforce. And yes, I know that refs and admin are ultimately responsible for fans anyways, but that is only in extreme and out of control cases. There is an actual list of words. Wow. Kids will just use different words or make words up. This is ridiculous. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 13, 2016 10:59:36 GMT -6
Story is about high school basketball, but you have to think this will have repercussions for football, as well: www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/01/11/wisconsin-high-school-basketball-air-ball-scoreboard-chants-bannedSeriously...who thinks this stuff up? What the heck is wrong with the person who thought that these fun and completely innocent chants are a problem? Must be someone who is just really sad and hollow inside...someone whose butthurt alarm has a hair trigger. I guess that fans should just sit quietly and politely. This is pretty much going to be the only form of fan expression allowed: So what is the penalty? Is it a technical foul? A fine? Who enforces this? I can't imagine the refs are happy if they have to enforce. Can't imagine administrators are happy if they have to enforce. And yes, I know that refs and admin are ultimately responsible for fans anyways, but that is only in extreme and out of control cases. There is an actual list of words. Wow. Kids will just use different words or make words up. This is ridiculous. Reading more about it, it seems that this isn't a statewide rule. It's a recommendation to schools. Each school can still make its own policy. It's still a spectacular look into the minds of school administrators, the people who make up the WIAA and other state organizations. |
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Post by raymul313 on Jan 13, 2016 11:33:35 GMT -6
I am a basketball coach also and I laugh (or cringe my face) at airballs even if they're of my own teams' doing....especially free throws
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Post by John Knight on Jan 13, 2016 11:36:39 GMT -6
Consequences, In Effect For All Games • All regular school rules are in effect. • Violation of rules may cause: being evicted from the game/premises; receiving in-school suspension or suspension from school; a required parental conference before readmittance to regular class; prohibition from attending future events; possible cancellation of all spectators from attending a sport; possible cancellation of sports; or prescribed WIAA sanctions on the school. www.wiaawi.org/Portals/0/PDF/Publications/sportsmanshipguide.pdf |
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Post by John Knight on Jan 13, 2016 11:39:37 GMT -6
Sportsmanship Disciplinary Policy
In June of 1997, the WIAA Board of Control approved a Sportsmanship Committee recommendation that a disciplinary procedure be in place for
schools that have chronic sportsmanship problems. In 2008, the Board modified the disciplinary procedure. For multiple or egregious player or
coach ejections due to unsportsmanlike conduct in a specific season; for egregious or multiple reported incidents of fan/spectator misconduct taking
place on school property or the contest facility; or for reports involving attacks on spectator buses or officials vehicles, the committee recommends
the WIAA invoke the following penalty procedure:
1. Require offending school to submit a written report within two weeks on steps they intend to take to resolve problems, and improve and correct
the conduct of the coach and/or athlete or spectator group involved. The report must meet the satisfaction of the WIAA Executive Staff.
2. Require offending school’s district administrator, principal and athletic director to meet with the Executive Staff at the WIAA office to identify
steps they intend to take to resolve problems, and improve and correct the conduct of the coach and/or athlete or spectator group involved.
The report may involve disciplinary action and must meet the satisfaction of the WIAA Executive Staff.
3. Schools who have multiple or egregious incidents of coach/athlete ejections and/or spectator misconduct in a specific sport will have that
program placed on one year’s probation.
4. Subsequent violations during the probationary period will result in the loss of hosting privileges in the specific sport.
5. Additional violations will result in suspension of tournament eligibility for the offending school in the specific sport for one year.
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Post by fantom on Jan 13, 2016 13:10:23 GMT -6
Those are the WIAA sportsmanship, which are similar to rules in other states, from what I've seen. In the stories, though, they said that the new recommendations are not rules. That should mean that violating them, if a school does not choose to institute the recommendations, they should not be penalized.
BTW, giving specific example of "unacceptable" chants shows how out of touch those characters are. Kids will just try ways to get around it and they may be worse. If Beavis and Butthead have taught us anything it's that virtually any word in the English language can be a double entendre.
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Post by ogre5530 on Jan 13, 2016 13:18:23 GMT -6
Our school has the annual "Snack Bowl" between the Monroe (WI) Cheesemakers and the Freeport (IL) Pretzels. It's series that was started up like 7-8 years ago and is usually pretty fun between the two schools from different states. I know what whenever the game is played in Illinois the coaches and team usually can't handle the physicality of Illinois basketball and the way the game is officiated. I used to coach so I know when the games are in Wisconsin it's not physical at all and the game is called extremely tight. The amount of whining and complaining about the way ball is played and called in Illinois explained the whole mentality here. We just won hitting two free throws while down 1 with no time left on Saturday and our students stormed the court and were chanting all kinds of things that would have been deemed highly inappropriate in Wisconsin. I just thought the whole thing was hilarious and at the same time embarrassing how soft our society is getting.
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Post by funkfriss on Jan 13, 2016 13:20:36 GMT -6
Those are the WIAA sportsmanship, which are similar to rules in other states, from what I've seen. In the stories, though, they said that the new recommendations are not rules. That should mean that violating them, if a school does not choose to institute the recommendations, they should not be penalized. BTW, giving specific example of "unacceptable" chants shows how out of touch those characters are. Kids will just try ways to get around it and they may be worse. If Beavis and Butthead have taught us anything it's that virtually any word in the English language can be a double entendre. Huh Huh you said penal |
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Post by John Knight on Jan 14, 2016 7:24:59 GMT -6
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jan 14, 2016 11:01:09 GMT -6
I'm just pumped that someone made a Beavis and Butthead reference. I loved that show!
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Post by John Knight on Jan 15, 2016 7:17:08 GMT -6
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Post by vicvinegar on Jan 16, 2016 10:08:57 GMT -6
sportmanship expectations- 24. Stand for the National Anthem 11. You can't chant U-S-A Who comes up with this stuff? You are only allowed to be patriotic when they tell you to? |
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Post by dbeck84 on Jan 16, 2016 10:29:41 GMT -6
sportmanship expectations- 24. Stand for the National Anthem 11. You can't chant U-S-A Who comes up with this stuff? You are only allowed to be patriotic when they tell you to? I do get the U-S-A thing. It has come to stand for "You Suck Azz" |
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Post by coachklee on Jan 16, 2016 10:38:03 GMT -6
sportmanship expectations- 24. Stand for the National Anthem 11. You can't chant U-S-A Who comes up with this stuff? You are only allowed to be patriotic when they tell you to? I do get the U-S-A thing. It has come to stand for "You Suck Azz" A rival at my 1st coaching job was Unionville Sebawing Area Schools. They called themselves "USA" & frequently chanted that...wish I'd know it could also stand for "U Suck Azz" because I hated that chant. |
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Post by vicvinegar on Jan 16, 2016 10:42:32 GMT -6
sportmanship expectations- 24. Stand for the National Anthem 11. You can't chant U-S-A Who comes up with this stuff? You are only allowed to be patriotic when they tell you to? I do get the U-S-A thing. It has come to stand for "You Suck Azz" I'm a pretty young coach who has done this chant at bball games and that was certainly not our meaning behind it. However, if that is how some schools mean it or it has changed over the last few years... how sickening! Learn something new everyday, it's just not always for the better. |
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 16, 2016 10:52:55 GMT -6
I think...come playoff time...nobody goes to the games. At least no students.
When the gate money is 30 times less than normal...maybe the suits will figure it out.
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Post by spreadpowero on Jan 16, 2016 16:37:28 GMT -6
What Wisconsin is doing is stupid. When I was in high school, we tried to emulate Duke's student body at all basketball games. Our house was a tough place to play, and our head basketball coach loved it.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 22, 2016 11:11:42 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Jan 22, 2016 11:15:37 GMT -6
Probably doesn't break the rule unless they chant, "Push, push, push". |
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