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Post by jlenwood on Jan 8, 2016 19:51:38 GMT -6
RANT ALERT!!
So here is the situation, last year I resigned my position in December because I didn't like the direction the HC was taking things. Well, after I left the wheels really fell off (absolutely not because of me leaving...my ego isn't that big!) and the HC was basically let go. It was late May when he was let go and things were looking really bleak for the program, kids not playing or playing soccer to the point of I think they would have had about 20 kids show up for camp.
So the school board reaches out to a guy to be the HC, he interviews with the AD and Super, they like him and he gets the job. He calls me and asks if I would be interested in coming back, heck yea. Good guy who is a heck of a coach and I really respected, couldn't wait to get started. So he puts together a very good coaching staff and we get to work. Numbers ended up being close to 45-50 (if I remember right) when we started, excitement is up, community involved...everything you want to happen was happening.
Some of the improvements:
-We won, breaking a state long record of losses
-Numbers up
-A couple of kids committing to playing college ball
-Previous year every game a running clock, this year only 2 games. One against a team 3 divisions larger than us and 1 against a state regional winner
Well after the season, the coach is told he will have to re-apply for the job since they posted the job! Since none of us are teachers, I get the rule that everyone is non-renewed (don't agree with that rule). The AD said "trust me". Well fast forward and now we are told that they have put together a committee to interview the applicants. To me, the whole thing is a slap in the face to a guy who stepped up big time to save a program.
This entire situation has me so pi$$ed my head is spinning. I turned down some good job offers to come back here thinking we had a long term commitment from the administration to get things done, and now we all may be out the door.
I swear I don't know how some of you guys can teach/work with some of these administration types who do stuff like this. How many of you have to re-apply every year to regain your position?
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Post by biggus3 on Jan 8, 2016 20:18:38 GMT -6
At our school, our contract lasts for one one calendar year even for the teachers. Many have been let go after that time, the girls basketball coach being the most recent victim. However, we do not have to do a formal interview each year if they are going to keep us on. I guess they probably could, but I think the AD doesn't want to create more work for himself.
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Post by eagles12 on Jan 8, 2016 20:27:08 GMT -6
RANT ALERT!! So here is the situation, last year I resigned my position in December because I didn't like the direction the HC was taking things. Well, after I left the wheels really fell off (absolutely not because of me leaving...my ego isn't that big!) and the HC was basically let go. It was late May when he was let go and things were looking really bleak for the program, kids not playing or playing soccer to the point of I think they would have had about 20 kids show up for camp. So the school board reaches out to a guy to be the HC, he interviews with the AD and Super, they like him and he gets the job. He calls me and asks if I would be interested in coming back, heck yea. Good guy who is a heck of a coach and I really respected, couldn't wait to get started. So he puts together a very good coaching staff and we get to work. Numbers ended up being close to 45-50 (if I remember right) when we started, excitement is up, community involved...everything you want to happen was happening. Some of the improvements: -We won, breaking a state long record of losses -Numbers up -A couple of kids committing to playing college ball -Previous year every game a running clock, this year only 2 games. One against a team 3 divisions larger than us and 1 against a state regional winner Well after the season, the coach is told he will have to re-apply for the job since they posted the job! Since none of us are teachers, I get the rule that everyone is non-renewed (don't agree with that rule). The AD said "trust me". Well fast forward and now we are told that they have put together a committee to interview the applicants. To me, the whole thing is a slap in the face to a guy who stepped up big time to save a program. This entire situation has me so pi$$ed my head is spinning. I turned down some good job offers to come back here thinking we had a long term commitment from the administration to get things done, and now we all may be out the door. I swear I don't know how some of you guys can teach/work with some of these administration types who do stuff like this. How many of you have to re-apply every year to regain your position? Many times the education code requires what you describe above, especially if the job was never officially posted. Many times that coach is viewed as interim and they must post the position officially and interview the following year. I think in this day and age it is becoming increasingly harder to cut through the red tape. I've seen this happen a few times in our area. Coaching contracts are just what biggus described in the previous post, 1 calendar year. It doesn't necessarily mean the administration isn't behind you. |
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Post by jlenwood on Jan 8, 2016 21:27:54 GMT -6
RANT ALERT!! So here is the situation, last year I resigned my position in December because I didn't like the direction the HC was taking things. Well, after I left the wheels really fell off (absolutely not because of me leaving...my ego isn't that big!) and the HC was basically let go. It was late May when he was let go and things were looking really bleak for the program, kids not playing or playing soccer to the point of I think they would have had about 20 kids show up for camp. So the school board reaches out to a guy to be the HC, he interviews with the AD and Super, they like him and he gets the job. He calls me and asks if I would be interested in coming back, heck yea. Good guy who is a heck of a coach and I really respected, couldn't wait to get started. So he puts together a very good coaching staff and we get to work. Numbers ended up being close to 45-50 (if I remember right) when we started, excitement is up, community involved...everything you want to happen was happening. Some of the improvements: -We won, breaking a state long record of losses -Numbers up -A couple of kids committing to playing college ball -Previous year every game a running clock, this year only 2 games. One against a team 3 divisions larger than us and 1 against a state regional winner Well after the season, the coach is told he will have to re-apply for the job since they posted the job! Since none of us are teachers, I get the rule that everyone is non-renewed (don't agree with that rule). The AD said "trust me". Well fast forward and now we are told that they have put together a committee to interview the applicants. To me, the whole thing is a slap in the face to a guy who stepped up big time to save a program. This entire situation has me so pi$$ed my head is spinning. I turned down some good job offers to come back here thinking we had a long term commitment from the administration to get things done, and now we all may be out the door. I swear I don't know how some of you guys can teach/work with some of these administration types who do stuff like this. How many of you have to re-apply every year to regain your position? Many times the education code requires what you describe above, especially if the job was never officially posted. Many times that coach is viewed as interim and they must post the position officially and interview the following year. I think in this day and age it is becoming increasingly harder to cut through the red tape. I've seen this happen a few times in our area. Coaching contracts are just what biggus described in the previous post, 1 calendar year. It doesn't necessarily mean the administration isn't behind you. I get the one year contract. What I am saying is this policy is stupid. It just lets cowardly administrators have an easy way out of someone coaching that they maybe don't want coaching. To me it should be, you did a good job, it's your job. You did a bad job, guess what you are fired the day the season is over. Kind of parallels the zero tolerance policy towards disciplining students. Takes all of the responsibility off of the individual admin. You broke a rule, here is your mandatory punishment. As it applies to coaching, welp, sorry but the rules are the rules, you have to be non-renewed. Again, why not just keep or cut at the end of the season. Are your teaching contracts done this way? |
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Post by biggus3 on Jan 8, 2016 21:49:05 GMT -6
At least in our district, teachers, on the other hand, cannot be let go once they are tenured for almost any reason, barring sex with a student. Given our districts history of passing referendums we will never be laid off for budgetary reasons. Drug addiction? no problem, just let HR know and they will get you some help. I'm pretty sure you can come to work under the influence and keep your job after that, as long as you are "working on it." Kids all hate you and you have terrible test scores? go to the probationary teacher academy for 4 days in the summer and it's all good. Sadly, many of my colleagues have no business in a classroom, however, they weaseled their way in and will collect a pay check for the rest of their lives.
We were at some lame mandatory meeting the principle had called because it is about some initiative the he is very passionate about and is spear heading. One of the the special ed teachers lost it, slams her laptop closed and says "this is literally the worst ducking meeting that I have ever been to and is a complete waste of time." Granted, we were all thinking it, but could you imagine saying that to Donald Trump in a meeting? Security would have your chit in a box before you could get out of the conference room. She was never reprimanded as far as I know, teaching is a pretty sweet gig sometimes.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 9, 2016 13:36:30 GMT -6
If it was me, I would be more than a little bit worried IF other people are chosen to be interviewed. The reason I say this is because I've seen before where schools have had to post jobs as "open" because the person holding the coaching position wasn't a teacher in the district. But, the only person who "interviewed" for the job was the person who currently held it and I'm not even sure it was an actual interview.
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Post by fantom on Jan 9, 2016 18:09:59 GMT -6
At our school, our contract lasts for one one calendar year even for the teachers. Many have been let go after that time, the girls basketball coach being the most recent victim. However, we do not have to do a formal interview each year if they are going to keep us on. I guess they probably could, but I think the AD doesn't want to create more work for himself. We're all on one year coaching contracts where I am but I've never heard of assistants having to re-interview. In fact, it's been a long time since I've had to talk yo anybody other than the HC about an assistant's job that didn't involve teaching. |
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Post by jlenwood on Jan 9, 2016 18:29:20 GMT -6
At our school, our contract lasts for one one calendar year even for the teachers. Many have been let go after that time, the girls basketball coach being the most recent victim. However, we do not have to do a formal interview each year if they are going to keep us on. I guess they probably could, but I think the AD doesn't want to create more work for himself. We're all on one year coaching contracts where I am but I've never heard of assistants having to re-interview. In fact, it's been a long time since I've had to talk yo anybody other than the HC about an assistant's job that didn't involve teaching. None of the assistants have to interview, it is just all of the HC applicants. Why is this the case almost everywhere with the one year contracts? Our AD has a 3 year contract, the super and principals have multi year contracts, so why don't schools just hire a coach, and when they don't want the coach anymore fire the person. Sure would save everybody a lot of time and save the districts the paperwork hassles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 18:31:00 GMT -6
We're all on one year coaching contracts where I am but I've never heard of assistants having to re-interview. In fact, it's been a long time since I've had to talk yo anybody other than the HC about an assistant's job that didn't involve teaching. None of the assistants have to interview, it is just all of the HC applicants. Why is this the case almost everywhere with the one year contracts? Our AD has a 3 year contract, the super and principals have multi year contracts, so why don't schools just hire a coach, and when they don't want the coach anymore fire the person. Sure would save everybody a lot of time and save the districts the paperwork hassles. They have push that paper. Probably a good way to make sure you do not stay long enough to get a pension. |
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Post by dubber on Jan 10, 2016 19:29:24 GMT -6
Our HC is the AD, and our OC is the Super.
Two-thirds of our school board have children in our program, serve in the parent's club, coach in our youth league, etc.
Go ahead, envy me.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Jan 13, 2016 13:10:39 GMT -6
Our HC is the AD, and our OC is the Super. Two-thirds of our school board have children in our program, serve in the parent's club, coach in our youth league, etc. Go ahead, envy me. Any openings? |
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Post by coachklee on Jan 13, 2016 14:19:09 GMT -6
Our HC is the AD, and our OC is the Super. Two-thirds of our school board have children in our program, serve in the parent's club, coach in our youth league, etc. Go ahead, envy me. What size school? |
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Post by dubber on Jan 13, 2016 18:55:07 GMT -6
Our HC is the AD, and our OC is the Super. Two-thirds of our school board have children in our program, serve in the parent's club, coach in our youth league, etc. Go ahead, envy me. What size school?
We are a small school, about 220 enrollment (9-12).
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Post by coachklee on Jan 15, 2016 6:23:30 GMT -6
We are a small school, about 220 enrollment (9-12).
That was my guess if that many administrators are able/allowed to also coach. |
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