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Post by footballscout on Dec 31, 2015 11:03:50 GMT -6
Let's just say you had to put a percentage on it. WHAT is the reason why a play doesn't work most often? How would you rank the three I've listed, and at what ratio do you think they are the problem? If you can think of additional reasons please list them.
1. Fundamentals gone wrong: IE your blocker knowing who he has and getting beat one on one, or your defender missing a tackle.
2. Assignment error, Two kids blocking the wrong player, incorrect run fits, coverage breakdown
3. Out-schemed on a play call. They bring a fire zone of some nature and you don't have a way that accounts for the extra rusher...
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 31, 2015 11:16:19 GMT -6
1) a player doesn't do his job- may include either the assignment or the technique or both
2) terrible call, a play called to take advantage of something that the defense simply isn't giving up.
3) somebody just got they @#$% whipped
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Post by wingtol on Dec 31, 2015 11:29:43 GMT -6
1) a player doesn't do his job- may include either the assignment or the technique or both 2) terrible call, a play called to take advantage of something that the defense simply isn't giving up. 3) somebody just got they @#$% whipped Yes. Except I would switch 2 and 3 |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 31, 2015 11:29:52 GMT -6
Bad eyes leading to missed assignment.
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Post by bignose on Dec 31, 2015 11:30:12 GMT -6
#1 Fail:
Mental error: i.e. kid blocking wrong man, not using proper technique, misaligned defensively
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Post by powerfootball71 on Dec 31, 2015 12:18:07 GMT -6
I'd rank them pretty much in the order you listed. I do think the more major game changing type failure comes off assignment break down. A player just stright getting his ass kicked with out some kind of adjustment in scheme or technique can fall in that category also.
Think a forth especially early in the season is fatigue plays fail becuase a starter gets tired or you put in a back up to get him a blow and he don't have enuff reps to be serviceabel in the technique or scheme with any consistency.
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Post by agame on Dec 31, 2015 14:19:52 GMT -6
Usually for us and prob for most, failure of a play will Be the failure to execute. And film always exposes this
How the failure occurs, well there is a myriad of reasons right...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 16:39:14 GMT -6
To me, there is a difference between blowing your assignment mentally and being blown up due to poor technique on someone's part. I'd have to rate those #1 and then #2. Assignment trumps technique, though both are vital to success.
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Post by newt21 on Dec 31, 2015 18:21:30 GMT -6
1. Assignment (Knowing what to do/aligning correctly)
2. Fundamentals (Execution of Assignment)
3. Out-Schemed (Wrong Play Call @ Wrong Time)
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 1, 2016 15:23:46 GMT -6
Most often I've seen is the kid doesn't know his assignment. And most of the time it's coaching over think.
It's not what you know, it's what your kids know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 15:54:52 GMT -6
Lack of confidence #1. If a kid is thinking, he aint playing. He is thinking because he doesn't know what to do. That is coaching. Penetration #2. this goes to fundamentals. As an oline coach. If my playside goes backwards they, in most cases, are trying to be to perfect. That goes to point #1 and coaching. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 1, 2016 16:33:10 GMT -6
Lack of confidence #1. If a kid is thinking, he aint playing. He is thinking because he doesn't know what to do. That is coaching. Penetration #2. this goes to fundamentals. As an oline coach. If my playside goes backwards they, in most cases, are trying to be to perfect. That goes to point #1 and coaching. As a buddy of mine always says, "I love me some penetration." |
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Post by fantom on Jan 1, 2016 18:43:01 GMT -6
Let's just say you had to put a percentage on it. WHAT is the reason why a play doesn't work most often? How would you rank the three I've listed, and at what ratio do you think they are the problem? If you can think of additional reasons please list them. 1. Fundamentals gone wrong: IE your blocker knowing who he has and getting beat one on one, or your defender missing a tackle. 2. Assignment error, Two kids blocking the wrong player, incorrect run fits, coverage breakdown 3. Out-schemed on a play call. They bring a fire zone of some nature and you don't have a way that accounts for the extra rusher... I'd have to say #1. If their players are better than your players you're gonna fail a lot. |
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Post by coachorm on Jan 1, 2016 23:06:47 GMT -6
I would say #1 Is a player just getting his butt whipped. #2 A player has a brainfart that play. #3 The play I called is exactly what their DC wanted and expected me to call and his defense was setup perfectly to defend that play (guess you call that failure as a coach to go against playcall tendency at the right time).
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Post by ukpat37 on Jan 3, 2016 7:12:30 GMT -6
1) The play call; as a coach you need to put your players in a position to succeed and a bad play call can put them on the back foot right away. Not playing to a particular players strengths can also hurt you.
2) Player knowledge of the playbook; this is more a problem here in the UK because not enough players want to put the extra study time and, because we often meet just twice a week, it's hard to keep on top of it. Far too many times I've seen players not doing what they're supposed to do because they haven't studied the playbook anywhere near enough and don't know the audibles either.
3) fundamentals; blocks not being sustained, poor route running, bad footwork.
You could probably rank any three of those in multiple orders...they're all huge problems. All fixable.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 3, 2016 7:59:49 GMT -6
#1 Lack of reps usually leads to a breakdown of some kind. #2 Defense practices too. #3 Their Jimmy is better than your Joe
Probably in exactly the opposite order if we are being brutally honest!
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Post by funkfriss on Jan 7, 2016 12:02:53 GMT -6
I agree with missed assignments being most important, but I'll add a caveat. During the first few games this season I evaluated every offensive play and graded every play on how many players performed their assignment. They didn't have to do it well or even win their matchup, they simply had to go the right way, block the right guy, run the right route, make the right read, etc.
I can't remember the exact numbers but I want to say we averaged just over 5 yards per play when everybody did the right thing (didn't happen extremely often unfortunately). What struck me the most out of my findings was that the average yards per play didn't change when only 1 person missed an assignment. It was almost identical! However, when 2 or more guys missed an assignment, our average plummeted to under 2 yards per play.
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Post by coachg13 on Jan 7, 2016 14:02:01 GMT -6
Defensively:
1. Wrong alignment - set up for failure from the start
2. Kid gets out played/athleted - sometimes a kid just makes a great catch, makes a tackler miss, etc
3. Loafs
Offensively:
1. Missed assignment - people left unblocked at the point of attack
2. Scheme - poor play calls/strategy
3. Offensive line gets out played - can't handle the defensive front
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Post by coachgrob on Jan 7, 2016 14:05:55 GMT -6
1. Assignment error 50%
2. Got physically beat 30%
3. Effort 20%
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