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Post by groundchuck on Jul 31, 2006 13:27:08 GMT -6
Where would you put this guy: He's the 2nd best athlete on the team 6-1/200# fast, agile etc. He's a football player. Can play RB, WR, TE or QB. His arm is accurate at short distances put over 20 yards its a crap shoot most of the time.
If he does not play QB the other kid is a good passer, but slow footed and cannot run any option or be a threat on the perimeter off bootlegs. There is already a very good TB and FB but we run a lot of bone so he could be a very good HB which would keep defenses from keying the other guy. At WR he would only have about 5 balls thrown his way. At TE he could be a very good blocker but TE is not where we want our playmakers. If he were at QB there would be designed runs for him, option and boots with a run/pass option for him.
He plays SS on defense.
Like I said this is a hypothetical as we are not blessed with this kind of athlete this year.
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Post by brophy on Jul 31, 2006 13:30:50 GMT -6
if he is as good as you say he is......I would;
Play him at SS. period
Play him at RB, WR, QB, & TE (can you trust him to do this, or is he one of those guys that can only do one thing?)
Nothing is worse for a defensive guy, than to deal with a phenomenal athlete (leader) that plays a bunch of positions (how do you game plan?)
IMO, start him at "Z", run jets, then progress from there.
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Post by blb on Jul 31, 2006 13:35:15 GMT -6
Sounds like in our Veer he'd be 1) QB or 2) TE.
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Post by phantom on Jul 31, 2006 13:54:27 GMT -6
We had our best season with a kid like that at QB. He'll have the ball in his hands on every play. Really, how many times a game do you need to be ble to throw over 20 yards?
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Post by saintrad on Jul 31, 2006 14:04:09 GMT -6
so what does the #1 best athlete look like then?
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 31, 2006 15:54:33 GMT -6
so what does the #1 best athlete look like then? Really it is more of a hypothetical guys. We had a player like this a few years ago and we played him at FB, TB, and FL in addition to his role at SS. We have a freshman coming up now and we might need to start asking these kinds of questions soon. |
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Post by brophy on Jul 31, 2006 16:04:06 GMT -6
hypothetically, if you groom him at quarterback, couldn't he essentially play all the other positions (because he already knows their assignment?)
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Post by chiefscoach on Jul 31, 2006 16:13:26 GMT -6
Well, we have our guys play both sides of the ball so for us he would be the Will Backer in our defense. But if we did he would play Tight end in our offense. And keep in mind no matter what offense you run you can always include something for the TE. He is always the most overlooked guy. We have a D1 kid at TE and teams still leave him open from time to time.
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Post by khalfie on Jul 31, 2006 16:30:20 GMT -6
Its really based on your system...
If you are running the ball... make him a HB and let the slow QB hand him and the other kid the ball...
If you are running option... then you have to have a threat at QB its a no brainer...
If you are running spread... then make him the TE... better match ups... and the playaction would be killer with the stud HB...
If you are running spread option... then once again, he has to be QB... two studs in the SO is tough to deal with.
What was the question?
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 31, 2006 17:03:40 GMT -6
Its really based on your system... If you are running the ball... make him a HB and let the slow QB hand him and the other kid the ball... If you are running option... then you have to have a threat at QB its a no brainer... If you are running spread... then make him the TE... better match ups... and the playaction would be killer with the stud HB... If you are running spread option... then once again, he has to be QB... two studs in the SO is tough to deal with. What was the question? Based on the system...exactly and I was hoping someone would get to that. And like Brophy said if we groom him at QB then he'll at least know what the other positions do. Realistically he will never play WR in our system. Wide Recievers...what are those? Our HC likes studs at TB as we run the I formation as our dominant set. If he grows as we expect he is a 30 carry a night RB. So he'll probably as a varsity player down the road end up at TB but he might get reps at QB for the 9th grade team this year. Then we can see if he has a future there. The reason I call it "hypothetical" is we have never seen him in pads. He might turn out to be a look like Tarzan, play like Jane," kids. |
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Post by crl on Aug 1, 2006 12:36:37 GMT -6
give me hypo´s Mothers name so I can recruit him next season----now for serious. Run a two headed monster- 2 qb´s on the Veer and Wco passing game and watch the world slip away from the opposing DC.
CRL
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Post by brophy on Aug 1, 2006 13:19:26 GMT -6
I only speak out of experience facing (defending conference opponent) a GREAT athlete like this, who was an amazing option QB since his Freshman year...brought up to be FS his Sophomore year on Varsity...played QB and Deep Safety his Junior year (and made all conference honors, one of the All-state teams as well), then his Senior year, they brought up a Sophomore QB who had a LAZER for an arm and the "stud" played QB, TB, WB, WR and FS....they lined him up everywhere on the field and had we not been prepared to bracket the kid, he would've put up his usual 125+ all purpose yards against US......but how do you prepare for an 'untraditional' player? I thought it was cool how they used him, because you never knew where the kid was going to line up (or who he'd be matched up against).
PS - the team was a bone team that ran a lot of from the shotgun. They are the 2nd to last team on the highlight reel (Pleasant Valley)....If I remember correctly, the "stud" is going to walk-on at Iowa Baseball (or get a scholarship at UNI).
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Post by shakdaddy3 on Aug 1, 2006 15:12:31 GMT -6
well, if you don't pass the ball all that much, then why does it matter if the deep ball is not spectacular... plus, that's something he could work on.
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Post by brophy on Aug 1, 2006 15:17:46 GMT -6
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 1, 2006 16:38:44 GMT -6
From the sound of your O groom him as a QB but get him some reps at HB/wing. If he can throw well under 20 yards you should be able to teach him to be more accurate on deep throws over the next few years.
In my system he would be what we call our "A" back, which is kind of like an H-back but plays more half-back, wing, and slot receiver than just fullback and tight end. When we don't have a kid that can do it all (a) we bundle several up to handle that job and (b) we're usually not quite as good unless we have some very, very good outside receivers and/or QB/RBs.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 1, 2006 17:18:47 GMT -6
Playing him at QB could add the ISV and the midline option to your Wishbone attack, making it that much harder to defend.
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Post by texas21 on Aug 1, 2006 18:17:43 GMT -6
I am with Brophy on this one, line him up everywhere. If the team knows he is a playmaker they will gameplan for him. How do you game plan for somebody when you don't know where they are going to be. (Steelers with Troy Palomalu (spelling))
Now this part you probably wont be able to do since your coach doesn't like using many receivers and you are based out of an I. But I would see if I could get some unique formations, then use shifts and motion to see if I could get the D to make a mistake trying to "over defend him."
Now these were JR high kids and it was 6 man football. But we sent our Tailback in motion one time and had 2 guys go all the way out with him and one half the way out. Ran a quick "trap" and went 60+ yards for the touchdown. That wont happen in HS, but there is a chance that lining him up all over, motioning, and some unique shifts will rattle some cages....
Option number 3 see how the Saints use Reggie.....
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 1, 2006 18:35:54 GMT -6
Option number 3 see how the Saints use Reggie..... Not this this kid is even worthy of being mentioned in the same paragraph as Bush but I like the thought. I think, especially how we have the 9th an 10th grade levels set up he will get game experience at all the spots we potentially see him playing when he gets to us. |
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Post by kcbazooka on Aug 2, 2006 13:23:55 GMT -6
This is obviously a major headache for you -- i'd like to help ----send him to me -- no not recruiting, just trying to help out a fellow coach...
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 2, 2006 13:50:02 GMT -6
This is obviously a major headache for you -- i'd like to help ----send him to me -- no not recruiting, just trying to help out a fellow coach... But these are kinds of "problems" that are okay to have. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 2, 2006 13:58:06 GMT -6
all philosophy aside (as to "where" to play him) ... think more about "how" to play him. put him in a position to get alot of touches. football is a simple game ==== get the ball as many times as possible to people who can score!!!
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