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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 16, 2015 19:04:37 GMT -6
For those that achieved success at a school and then took on the challenge of moving to another school tasked with repeating the same level of success; what was you biggest challenge in trying to replicate that success?
-Talent level
-Admin committment
-Building the staff
-Community buy in, involvement
-Facilities
-School/faculty support
-Lower level buy in/quality (sub varsity, freshman, Jr. High, middle school, rec leagues)
-Funding
-Other
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Post by tango on Dec 16, 2015 19:15:44 GMT -6
For me community buy in and admin commitment.
3 HC jobs.
1st community great. Admin wanted to win. 1-9 to 11-1 in 3 years. We had players!
2nd community 50/50 from day one which was connected to admin and staff. 6 principals in 4 years. Playoff 3/4 years and fired. Lost 20 in a row 2 years later.
3rd community great. Admin switching all the time and odd. Staff great. Very good 9/11 years.
Community can over come problems.
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 16, 2015 20:06:32 GMT -6
Talent.
All other matters listed above are factored into whether I accept the job.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 17, 2015 7:03:20 GMT -6
Currently in the second year of a situation like that. Having talent sure helps! But more importantly you need to win the kids before you win a game so I would say leadership skills are paramount, we are in year two at a new school that is in the same league as our old school where we won multiple league championships so our kids knew of us before we started and it kind of gave us some cred when we took over so that helped. We also have the same staff and kept one guy, a local legend type coach, at the new school and kept our schematic identity.
We tend not to get too wrapped up in a lot of the other things you listed, just play the game. Get the kids to buy into the fact that it doesn't matter what we have it's what we do on the field. Kind of a the only people that matter are the ones on the field type deal and all the other stuff will fall into place. Everyone loves a winner right? Start winning and stuff will improve.
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Post by nascaroffense on Dec 30, 2015 23:47:10 GMT -6
The elements below are listed in order of importance. I have coached in programs with little coaching experience but we had great talent and won.
If you do not have the talent level of your opponents then you typically need to be more disciplined, better prepared and sound schematically.
If you have all of the elements below then you have something very special.
1. Talent level / PLAYERS
2. Solid Schemes
3. Coaches / Staff members (preferably on campus) who can best teach the solid schemes and develop positive relationships with their players.
4. Admin who facilitate the needs of the program, kids & HC.
Is the Admin allowing kids to transfer at will, Is the Admin willing to send Football Coaches to Staff Developmental opportunities, Is the Admin willing to hire on campus coaches who will typically interact with the kids more during the day, Does the Admin view athletics as Co-Curricular or Extra-Curricular, Does the Admin facilitate the program financially, facility wise, scheduling, etc...
5. Community and Parent Support. Do the supporters facilitate the admin and coaches working together to best help the kids and program?
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Post by realdawg on Dec 31, 2015 4:59:21 GMT -6
Something that hasnt been mentioned, and IDK exactly where it fits, but avoiding complanceny (sp?) has to be huge in places with repeated success. If you are winning year after year you have to fight the entitlement attitude with the kids. Just because the groups in front of them won does not mean they will.
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 31, 2015 5:22:39 GMT -6
I have to say that from your list, building the staff has been the biggest challenge.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 31, 2015 6:26:40 GMT -6
Something that hasnt been mentioned, and IDK exactly where it fits, but avoiding complanceny (sp?) has to be huge in places with repeated success. If you are winning year after year you have to fight the entitlement attitude with the kids. Just because the groups in front of them won does not mean they will. Absolutely. Is winning again important enough to everyone involved. Do they have a standard of excellence? If not then it is tough to repeat success. |
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Post by coachcb on Dec 31, 2015 9:42:25 GMT -6
1. The kids and the community need to buy into what you are doing. Setting up a solid practice plan is difficult when your numbers are low. My first HC position was in a program that had low numbers and I always felt like we got half as much out of our practice time as our opponents with more kids.
2. Solid, sound offensive and defensive schemes that are taught at all levels with vertical alignment. This has been the on of the biggest predictor of success or failure in programs I have worked in.
3. Staff, staff, staff... A quality group of coaches will turn a group of poor football players into competitors. You need good coaches in order to achieve the goals set forth in #2.
4. Off-season training participation. The kids need to get into the weight room in order to win consistently. This gets back to #1; the kids need to buy in to what you're trying to do, year round.
5. Multiple sport athletes. I feel that it's extremely important for the kids to compete in other sports outside of football. They develop physically, emotionally and continue to learn how to handle competition. This is becoming far too rare these days. Kids are specializing too much and they struggle to handle adversity.
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