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Post by ahall005 on Dec 13, 2015 8:48:14 GMT -6
I know that there are tons of discussion about concussions but I wanted to hear some opinions on this. Last night during the UFC PPV a fighter literally wobbled back to his corner after the first round and went on to finish the fight while the announcer actually mentioned that he was probably concussed. If this happened in a football game it would be the only thing on ESPN today. I think the fact that the people that are so worried about concussion don't take issue with something like this makes them less credible.
I know that that UFC is not as big as the NFL but it is big in its own respect.
Thoughts?
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Post by hsrose on Dec 13, 2015 9:23:33 GMT -6
I know that at our school is a student gets concussed during football there is a 2-week protocol that has to be followed. Other sports, the protocol is not required. Football is the only sport where the impact testing is required before I can let them participate in summer and/or fall practice. So football at our school is already special for concussions.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 13, 2015 9:34:55 GMT -6
Our school has the same protocol for concussions no matter what sport or gender.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 9:35:11 GMT -6
I know that there are tons of discussion about concussions but I wanted to hear some opinions on this. Last night during the UFC PPV a fighter literally wobbled back to his corner after the first round and went on to finish the fight while the announcer actually mentioned that he was probably concussed. If this happened in a football game it would be the only thing on ESPN today. I think the fact that the people that are so worried about concussion don't take issue with something like this makes them less credible. I know that that UFC is not as big as the NFL but it is big in its own respect. Thoughts?t It is political. It is inot about concussions, it is not about your child's safety. It is however about political control. If they get football, they hockey, they get mma, they get the nba, and whatever else they want. Football would be a huge get. Large chunk of culture goes away. they get football on concussions, MMA is finished. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 13, 2015 9:52:19 GMT -6
I know that there are tons of discussion about concussions but I wanted to hear some opinions on this. Last night during the UFC PPV a fighter literally wobbled back to his corner after the first round and went on to finish the fight while the announcer actually mentioned that he was probably concussed. If this happened in a football game it would be the only thing on ESPN today. I think the fact that the people that are so worried about concussion don't take issue with something like this makes them less credible. I know that that UFC is not as big as the NFL but it is big in its own respect. Thoughts?t It is political. It is inot about concussions, it is not about your child's safety. It is however about political control. If they get football, they hockey, they get mma, they get the nba, and whatever else they want. Football would be a huge get. Large chunk of culture goes away. they get football on concussions, MMA is finished. Who is "they". Do "they" were tin foil hats? Or is that you? Are you doing that thing where you open your mouth and let everyone else look good again? |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 13, 2015 10:42:48 GMT -6
Pretty sure college is taking away "headers" in soccer this year, and the talk is nfhs will next, which makes sense, since there are more concussions in soccer than football.
heck in about 2002 a study came out cheerleading had more injuries than all sports combined. And they had the 3rd most concussion after soccer and football
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 10:56:23 GMT -6
It is political. It is inot about concussions, it is not about your child's safety. It is however about political control. If they get football, they hockey, they get mma, they get the nba, and whatever else they want. Football would be a huge get. Large chunk of culture goes away. they get football on concussions, MMA is finished. Who is "they". Do "they" were tin foil hats? Or is that you? Are you doing that thing where you open your mouth and let everyone else look good again? lets see, people who suggest football should not be played until you are age of 18? People who suggest youth football should be banned? People who try and take the head out of soccer? Those who use children for their own political agenda? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 11:05:58 GMT -6
It is political. It is inot about concussions, it is not about your child's safety. It is however about political control. If they get football, they hockey, they get mma, they get the nba, and whatever else they want. Football would be a huge get. Large chunk of culture goes away. they get football on concussions, MMA is finished. Who is "they". Do "they" were tin foil hats? Or is that you? Are you doing that thing where you open your mouth and let everyone else look good again? and it is wear, not were. and it is sense of humor. I try to have one. |
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Post by fantom on Dec 13, 2015 12:01:07 GMT -6
Who is "they". Do "they" were tin foil hats? Or is that you? Are you doing that thing where you open your mouth and let everyone else look good again? and it is wear, not were. and it is sense of humor. I try to have one. With your grammar skills you'd better have one. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 12:03:28 GMT -6
and it is wear, not were. and it is sense of humor. I try to have one. With your grammar skills you'd better have one. LOL.! Never been accused of being smart, let alone an English major. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 13, 2015 15:53:09 GMT -6
Who is "they". Do "they" were tin foil hats? Or is that you? Are you doing that thing where you open your mouth and let everyone else look good again? and it is wear, not were. and it is sense of humor. I try to have one. If we went to get out red pens and grade mistakes from hastily typed posts here... I feel fairly confident less ink would be used on my posts than yours. As far as the sense of humor comment, as I mentioned in another post, you might view it as such, but again, fairly confident that many of the seasoned and successful coaches would be embarrassed if your posts were attributed to themselves or members of their program. Of course, here I am talking about the originator of the "I want to get leverage on the HC so my position players get equipment first" thread. Some things are to be expected. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 16:54:29 GMT -6
and it is wear, not were. and it is sense of humor. I try to have one. If we went to get out red pens and grade mistakes from hastily typed posts here... I feel fairly confident less ink would be used on my posts than yours. As far as the sense of humor comment, as I mentioned in another post, you might view it as such, but again, fairly confident that many of the seasoned and successful coaches would be embarrassed if your posts were attributed to themselves or members of their program. Of course, here I am talking about the originator of the "I want to get leverage on the HC so my position players get equipment first" thread. Some things are to be expected. I am sure you would win the war of words. |
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Post by veerman on Dec 14, 2015 11:54:46 GMT -6
When did this turn into a pissing contest??
It has been all over the media about the attack on football and the Dr from the movie concussion trying to get rid of football till a child is 18 (which will basically take away football). Why is football the the main sport getting attacked here in America? IMO its two things. 1. The Dr has a personal vendetta against the NFL. 2. Football is king here in the states when it comes to popularity and most important...money. I agree that this has little to do with a child's safety, but they know when they use that, no one can counter attack them using that as the base. Just like meshparker said, once you get football, the rest you wont have to fight.
I'm all for child safety, but I also know that I can't keep my kids in a bubble all their life. They are going to get injured. I hope they drive a car one day, even though I know there is a chance that they may be in an accident. I drive my kids in a car now, knowing that there is a chance that we may be in an accident. I know they may be injured riding a bike or skateboard or cross country running or whatever they do besides sit on a couch in their bubble, and I'm ok with that and so are they... Liberal media is killing our country. Life is a risk, there isn't someone always to blame for everything bad that happens, sometimes you have to accept that, but the media wants to always point a blame somewhere. According to this Dr, we shouldn't do anything that has a risk...Sometimes I wonder when did common sense leave our country.
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Post by brophy on Dec 14, 2015 11:59:43 GMT -6
^^ that is a pretty piss-poor argument you would be presenting to parents. The victim attitude of "we're being picked on by the evil ____ cabal" is pretty pathetic, as well.
Concussions are a serious issue. There isn't a coach in America that doesn't feel that way.
We have, albeit recently, got a pretty good understanding of (ambulatory) concussions. What we don't, and neither does anyone else, have a handle on is the amount of exposure that causes CTE. We need to find out and it likely won't come for another generation. Wrestling, Soccer, hockey and rugby are just as at-risk. Football includes a much larger demographic in America than all those combined, so naturally when you talk CTE in America, you're talking football.
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Post by veerman on Dec 14, 2015 12:50:25 GMT -6
Who brought up the being picked on by the evil______cabal?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 13:13:13 GMT -6
^^ that is a pretty piss-poor argument you would be presenting to parents. The victim attitude of " we're being picked on by the evil ____ cabal" is pretty pathetic, as well. Concussions are a serious issue. There isn't a coach in America that doesn't feel that way. We have, albeit recently, got a pretty good understanding of (ambulatory) concussions. What we don't, and neither does anyone else, have a handle on is the amount of exposure that causes CTE. We need to find out and it likely won't come for another generation. Wrestling, Soccer, hockey and rugby are just as at-risk. Football includes a much larger demographic in America than all those combined, so naturally when you talk CTE in America, you're talking football. The let's ban football crowd is not waiting for the research. |
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Post by brophy on Dec 14, 2015 13:15:20 GMT -6
Who brought up the being picked on by the evil______cabal? If they get football, they hockey, they get mma, they get the nba, and whatever else they want. Football would be a huge get. Large chunk of culture goes away. they get football on concussions, MMA is finished. |
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Post by veerman on Dec 14, 2015 13:20:28 GMT -6
With parents you talk about their child's safety is most important. You tell them that their child will be fitted with the best equipment the school can provide. You tell them you are going to take care of their child like they are your own...You don't point fingers and tell them that this or that is to blame. I tell them just like anything football is a risk sport, that I can't say their child will be injury free, but I will care for them the best I can.
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Post by fantom on Dec 14, 2015 13:30:12 GMT -6
With parents you talk about their child's safety is most important. You tell them that their child will be fitted with the best equipment the school can provide. You tell them you are going to take care of their child like they are your own...You don't point fingers and tell them that this or that is to blame. I tell them just like anything football is a risk sport, that I can't say their child will be injury free, but I will care for them the best I can. I think that parents know if you care about the kids or not. At our place the trainer has final say and her word is absolute. That's not a mandate from the office. That's the way that the HC wants it and the way that the rest of us want it. If the trainer holds a kid out that's it and nobody will pressure her or the player. It works both ways. If the trainer says that a kid is good, he practices. No sitting out drills. |
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Post by veerman on Dec 14, 2015 13:35:38 GMT -6
Sure, taking the kids to a trainer is that not us taking care of their kids?
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Post by natenator on Dec 14, 2015 14:09:21 GMT -6
Sure, taking the kids to a trainer is that not us taking care of their kids? It's also about showing HOW the game has changed where we're protecting players via penalties, new methods of tackling, and line play (no longer the 3 points of contact). Although meshparker thinks the game is fine, doesn't need changing and coaches who want to improve the safety of it are just metrosexual pansies. |
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Post by coachcb on Dec 14, 2015 14:14:30 GMT -6
Sure, taking the kids to a trainer is that not us taking care of their kids? Of course not.... We're all idiot football coaches unless the diagnosis is coming from the Mayo Clinic...  I suffered several concussions playing high school football and have dealt with consequences from it. However, equipment back then was no where near as safe as it is now and we now have quality protocols to handle concussions. I do feel that concussions need to be addressed in all sports; they're a reality that many folks (myself included) didn't take very seriously for many years. But, this whole situation has been blown out of proportion by the media because of the NFLPA lawsuit. There are so many stories out there about NFL players and concussions and it just doesn't paint the whole picture. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 14:28:09 GMT -6
Sure, taking the kids to a trainer is that not us taking care of their kids? It's also about showing HOW the game has changed where we're protecting players via penalties, new methods of tackling, and line play (no longer the 3 points of contact). Although meshparker thinks the game is fine, doesn't need changing and coaches who want to improve the safety of it are just metrosexual pansies. I have no problem with safety. All for it. If safety was the reason for rule changes, great! |
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Post by natenator on Dec 14, 2015 15:01:50 GMT -6
It's also about showing HOW the game has changed where we're protecting players via penalties, new methods of tackling, and line play (no longer the 3 points of contact). Although meshparker thinks the game is fine, doesn't need changing and coaches who want to improve the safety of it are just metrosexual pansies. I have no problem with safety. All for it. If safety was the reason for rule changes, great! You don't have a problem with making the game safer? Really eh? Maybe the coaches who think the game is to dangerous, should stop violating their conscience and stop participating. Or coaches adapt to find ways that make the game safer while maintaining a competitive balance. Adapt or die, the cornerstone of evolution  All I need to know about you is in that statement. We will agree to disagree. Good luck. |
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Post by veerman on Dec 14, 2015 15:03:44 GMT -6
Sure, taking the kids to a trainer is that not us taking care of their kids? It's also about showing HOW the game has changed where we're protecting players via penalties, new methods of tackling, and line play (no longer the 3 points of contact). Although meshparker thinks the game is fine, doesn't need changing and coaches who want to improve the safety of it are just metrosexual pansies. I agree on new method of tackling and blocking. As far as penalties its hard to give them an answer, cause I don't think they know what they are wanting to call.....I have seen targeting calls when a guy turns his head and hits with his shoulder and hits other guys shoulder but it was a devastating hit, and gets called for a penalty. I can't speak for mesh, but I think the game needs to be tweaked and changed some, but lets not get ahead of ourselves, we played/coach a violent game. We know that, and as we get older it gets more physical and more violent. There is only so much you can do to make a sport like this as safe as possible. Think what kind of sport boxing and mma would be if they didn't allow head shot, and could only hit shoulders and below...Some safety rules is BS, not being able to hit a QB except in the stomach is a business decision more than safety. But those who put the rules in say its 100% cause of safety. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 17:19:33 GMT -6
I have no problem with safety. All for it. If safety was the reason for rule changes, great! You don't have a problem with making the game safer? Really eh? Maybe the coaches who think the game is to dangerous, should stop violating their conscience and stop participating. Wisely picking choosing talking points. |
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Post by dubber on Dec 14, 2015 20:46:36 GMT -6
If you all want to have a discussion, treat each other with mutual respect.
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Post by funkfriss on Dec 15, 2015 11:23:46 GMT -6
Football as a sport is inherently violent and dangerous. Soccer, cheerleading, etc are not. MMA is, but it is not common for youth, so need not be mentioned by a doctor. We can't try to run away from this fact. Finger pointing to these sports is akin to the kid who gets caught cheating and says, "Well _____ was cheating too."
I was drawn to football as a wee pup not because I wanted to run, throw or catch a TD. I wanted to hit people. This is what separates football from other sports, and there is nothing wrong with that. Making it safer through better technique (which rule changes are supposed to help) and equipment is not a bad thing. Here's the bigger issue to me.
5 concussions, 5 knee sprains, 2 bruised tailbones, 2 ankle sprains, fractured thumb, broken ankle, groin strain, fractured foot, fractured leg, fractured rib, thigh contusion, hip strain, back strain, elbow sprain, torn knee ligament, hamstring strain, and broken collarbone
This is the list of "notable" injuries from this past Sunday according to NFL.com (all injuries led to the player not returning for the game). That adds up to 32 injuries, about half of which will lead to at least one other game missed. This was in just 15 games!!! This equates to roughly 3-4 weeks for a HS conference/district. Have you ever seen 32 kids knocked out of games in 3-4 weeks of high school football? How about Junior High? How about Pop Warner? NEVER! I don't have statistics, but it is obvious that football is actually SAFER the lower the level, however, people see the NFL and use it a barometer for the sport of football. We need to distance and differentiate the NFL from HS/Youth football. I like that this is the route some of the most recent research is headed and I think this will be the best way to help the cause.
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