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Post by morgs23 on Dec 2, 2015 18:47:54 GMT -6
Coaches was wondering what some of you demand or expect from your coaches in the off season as well as in season, would love some feedback on this, I am looking to try to put something together that I can give to my staff as well as any new staff that I hire.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 2, 2015 20:15:52 GMT -6
Coaches was wondering what some of you demand or expect from your coaches in the off season as well as in season, would love some feedback on this, I am looking to try to put something together that I can give to my staff as well as any new staff that I hire. First a few of questions that will help generate better more specific answers: 1. How many assistants? 2. Do they coach other sports? 3. Married (w/children) or single? 4. In the district teaching or working jobs outside of school? There are things I want my assistants to do in the off-season but I am careful to make sure I am not burning them out. For example I have an assistant who used to be the head wrestling and softball coach in the spring. SO......guess what I didn't even ask him to open the weight room in the mornings or I would burn him out. Now the last few years he's volunteering with wrestling and stepped down from softball altogether. So now he has more time for football. My DC also coaches three sports. But he finds time to get some extra reports done for us too. I just think you want to find ways to let them get work done. Be flexible with your expectations and time table if you are in a small school like mine. We attend clinics together and then discuss after. In-season is a different cat. We have it all spelled out and it works for us. We don't meet face to face on the weekend. Email, texting, Hudl, etc. We all meet the deadline for tagging playlists and doing our other jobs on the weekend to get ready. My OL coach and I meet before school on Monday. My DC and I meet during our common prep and we are ready to rock. We do this because every single coach has to drive between 15 min and 40 min to get to school. I would rather let them use that time to work on football or spend time with their family as long as the prep work gets done. I expect them to have their indi time drills planned and not waste time. Be prepared and coach fast. My advice is find somebody in your area who is successful and will sit down with you and show you how they organize the staff and what they do in season and in the off-season.
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Post by fantom on Dec 2, 2015 21:59:51 GMT -6
Coaches was wondering what some of you demand or expect from your coaches in the off season as well as in season, would love some feedback on this, I am looking to try to put something together that I can give to my staff as well as any new staff that I hire. I'm a career assistant of 35+ years. I expect to do whatever's necessary.
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Post by brophy on Dec 2, 2015 22:22:23 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on Dec 2, 2015 22:49:55 GMT -6
Difference in setting an expectation, and just hiring guys who want to win and badly as you do.
Our staff has guys who all want it.
Makes it easy.
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Post by coachtua on Dec 2, 2015 23:30:02 GMT -6
At one school I was at they had secured a grant to pay the coaches who put in the time in the off-season.
At my last school we had a football PE class. The HC, OL, DC, Slot Receiver, and WR coaches were all on campus and the latter 3 had prep periods during the football PE class. The off campus coaches werent required to be there if they couldnt. But come spring and summer workouts it was all hands on deck. most of the off campus coaches who couldnt make the Football PE class would come in after school and work with their groups during the off season.
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Post by s73 on Dec 3, 2015 6:35:46 GMT -6
This next season will be the first season where I am putting together a list of responsibilities b/c I had a a couple of assistants that were skirting their in season responsibilities.
The primary problem was under level coaches leaving practice after they were done and not supervising the locker room while the F/S team was still showering. Coaches not preparing ball bag the night before and then scrambling to get stuff ready while the bus was waiting. Little things like that. Some of it was laziness, some of it was over sight.
Our list will include things like: 1 level coach responsible for ball bag night before Coach rotations for locker room supervision Coaches responsible for practice stations before & after practice Coaches required to do hull film comments on their positions BEFORE the following Monday Charging Head Phones Having cameras ready, etc.
Just stuff like that. Our staff is pretty good but need to clean up the minor things that become MAJOR when they add up. That is my main concerns. The guys love the fun stuff and hate the small stuff.
As for off season I think you have to gauge general availability and make common sense decisions. IMO, every staff has hungry guys that want to do stuff and other guys not so much. Again, IMO you can lean on the hungry more so long as you recognize them when the time comes for promotion, evaluation , etc.
JMO of course.
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Post by raymul313 on Dec 3, 2015 6:58:06 GMT -6
Coaches was wondering what some of you demand or expect from your coaches in the off season as well as in season, would love some feedback on this, I am looking to try to put something together that I can give to my staff as well as any new staff that I hire. First a few of questions that will help generate better more specific answers: 1. How many assistants? 2. Do they coach other sports? 3. Married (w/children) or single? 4. In the district teaching or working jobs outside of school? There are things I want my assistants to do in the off-season but I am careful to make sure I am not burning them out. For example I have an assistant who used to be the head wrestling and softball coach in the spring. SO......guess what I didn't even ask him to open the weight room in the mornings or I would burn him out. Now the last few years he's volunteering with wrestling and stepped down from softball altogether. So now he has more time for football. My DC also coaches three sports. But he finds time to get some extra reports done for us too. I just think you want to find ways to let them get work done. Be flexible with your expectations and time table if you are in a small school like mine. We attend clinics together and then discuss after. In-season is a different cat. We have it all spelled out and it works for us. We don't meet face to face on the weekend. Email, texting, Hudl, etc. We all meet the deadline for tagging playlists and doing our other jobs on the weekend to get ready. My OL coach and I meet before school on Monday. My DC and I meet during our common prep and we are ready to rock. We do this because every single coach has to drive between 15 min and 40 min to get to school. I would rather let them use that time to work on football or spend time with their family as long as the prep work gets done. I expect them to have their indi time drills planned and not waste time. Be prepared and coach fast. My advice is find somebody in your area who is successful and will sit down with you and show you how they organize the staff and what they do in season and in the off-season. While it might seem like an important question to ask number 3 is illegal to ask about marital status. Besides if a coach has a family they should be finding ways to make sure they don't feel alienated/abandoned during the season.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 3, 2015 7:03:46 GMT -6
First a few of questions that will help generate better more specific answers: 1. How many assistants? 2. Do they coach other sports? 3. Married (w/children) or single? 4. In the district teaching or working jobs outside of school? There are things I want my assistants to do in the off-season but I am careful to make sure I am not burning them out. For example I have an assistant who used to be the head wrestling and softball coach in the spring. SO......guess what I didn't even ask him to open the weight room in the mornings or I would burn him out. Now the last few years he's volunteering with wrestling and stepped down from softball altogether. So now he has more time for football. My DC also coaches three sports. But he finds time to get some extra reports done for us too. I just think you want to find ways to let them get work done. Be flexible with your expectations and time table if you are in a small school like mine. We attend clinics together and then discuss after. In-season is a different cat. We have it all spelled out and it works for us. We don't meet face to face on the weekend. Email, texting, Hudl, etc. We all meet the deadline for tagging playlists and doing our other jobs on the weekend to get ready. My OL coach and I meet before school on Monday. My DC and I meet during our common prep and we are ready to rock. We do this because every single coach has to drive between 15 min and 40 min to get to school. I would rather let them use that time to work on football or spend time with their family as long as the prep work gets done. I expect them to have their indi time drills planned and not waste time. Be prepared and coach fast. My advice is find somebody in your area who is successful and will sit down with you and show you how they organize the staff and what they do in season and in the off-season. While it might seem like an important question to ask number 3 is illegal to ask about marital status. Besides if a coach has a family they should be finding ways to make sure they don't feel alienated/abandoned during the season. I think he was asking the OP about his specific situation to provide feed back, not interview type questions. Like are your assistant coaches married with young kids who they want to get home to or are they single with nothing else going on?
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Post by raymul313 on Dec 3, 2015 7:29:43 GMT -6
While it might seem like an important question to ask number 3 is illegal to ask about marital status. Besides if a coach has a family they should be finding ways to make sure they don't feel alienated/abandoned during the season. I think he was asking the OP about his specific situation to provide feed back, not interview type questions. Like are your assistant coaches married with young kids who they want to get home to or are they single with nothing else going on? Gotcha
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Post by morgs23 on Dec 3, 2015 8:21:38 GMT -6
WE have a staff of seven paid coaches and one volunteer. I took over the job three years ago and have had several coaching changes due to coaches moving, getting jobs else where, etc. two of my coaches are married and kids and have been coaching for a long time. The other guys are younger guys who are new to coaching. We had some issues this year and I want to sharpen up what needs to get done by the staff to be successful, so I am trying to see what guys expect of their staff.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 3, 2015 8:34:54 GMT -6
I'm not an HC, but I really felt the need to weigh in on this. I think what you ask them to do should also depend on what they're doing in the off season.
We have 8 on staff, counting myself. 5 are in the building, 2 are in town, and I'm 30 minutes away in the off season. Last year, we were all expected to be in our weight room with assigned days. I know it's technically "fair" to have everyone with an equal amount of days, but I always felt like I was getting the short end of the stick. You have 5 guys in the building, they can all be there for the 45 minutes after school. I'm literally on the road to and from longer than I am there most days. I'll come when I can, but I hate being in the weight room.
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Post by coachphillip on Dec 3, 2015 8:58:01 GMT -6
I'm not an HC, but I really felt the need to weigh in on this. I think what you ask them to do should also depend on what they're doing in the off season. We have 8 on staff, counting myself. 5 are in the building, 2 are in town, and I'm 30 minutes away in the off season. Last year, we were all expected to be in our weight room with assigned days. I know it's technically "fair" to have everyone with an equal amount of days, but I always felt like I was getting the short end of the stick. You have 5 guys in the building, they can all be there for the 45 minutes after school. I'm literally on the road to and from longer than I am there most days. I'll come when I can, but I hate being in the weight room. While I understand where your argument is coming from, I don't think that the length of your commute should result in you having less responsibility in the weight room unless it would be suggested to me by the majority of the other assistants. I can defend assigning less time to coaches who have baby children to my staff. I can't defend you by saying "Oh hey, HUNH drives in from so and so city so he can only come in when he feels like it." That could build up some resentment.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 3, 2015 9:06:53 GMT -6
Yeah I meant know who you're working with.
I know a guy (Don't wee all....) who is a good hard working bright coach. He's been in the game 25-30 years. A new young header got hired. Threw down all these time demands and after the season his best assistant left to take a job helping a rival.
Inside the mean job interview. I meant the head coach needs to balance the demands of the job with the other demands in that assistant's life.
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Post by fantom on Dec 3, 2015 9:49:28 GMT -6
I'm not an HC, but I really felt the need to weigh in on this. I think what you ask them to do should also depend on what they're doing in the off season. We have 8 on staff, counting myself. 5 are in the building, 2 are in town, and I'm 30 minutes away in the off season. Last year, we were all expected to be in our weight room with assigned days. I know it's technically "fair" to have everyone with an equal amount of days, but I always felt like I was getting the short end of the stick. You have 5 guys in the building, they can all be there for the 45 minutes after school. I'm literally on the road to and from longer than I am there most days. I'll come when I can, but I hate being in the weight room. Look, I'm not in love with the weight room either but I do love winning. I'm the OL coach and if my guys don't have a good offseason we don't win. Period. I feel that if they know that I'll be there, they'll be there. If they know that I'm watching them they'll work harder. I said earlier that an assistant's job is to do whatever is necessary. That includes the weight room. Most of our staff is off-campus, including me. I'm retired, though, and those guys have to sacrifice in-season to get to practice. If they can't make it I, and the HC, understand. I can make it so I'm there. You have to drive 30 minutes? Poor baby!
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 3, 2015 10:17:40 GMT -6
Regarding weight room, I as an assistant feel obligated to get in there at least once a week during the off season, I think it helps me to establish relationships with kids throughout the off season. Only the HC is on campus in our program, so the assistants have a little more work to do in my opinion to avoid being seen as the guys who just show up for spring ball.
That said, our weights are at 7:30 am so it is a PITA for a lot of off campus guys to juggle work schedules to get there and the HC knows that so he asks for once every 2 or 3 weeks. I try to make it at least once a week just to see the kids and be seen by them.
Our HC has a list that he hands out before every season that assigns duties to each coach for practice, game day, road games, etc. Just simple things like coach X will fill up water, coach Y will be the last one out of the locker room before practice, Coach Z will handle any post practice running for tardies, etc. Makes it clear who is responsible for what
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Post by gibbs72 on Dec 3, 2015 12:32:12 GMT -6
Our HC assigns the weight room to different coaches who get a stipend for their time. The ones who do not have the weight room for a part of the year are given other duties instead: equipment, Hudl, stats, etc.
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Post by wolfden12 on Dec 6, 2015 20:13:03 GMT -6
This is a great topic. I have a question.
We map out all responsibilities for coaches during the off-season 6 months ahead of time.
I understand some coaches have other responsibilities i.e. family, kid(s) functions, work obligations, travel etc.
However, in-season is a different story.
If you have a large staff like us, but certain individuals are not carrying their weight which of the following would you recommend.
1. Remove the coach from staff 2. Ask him to coach to a lower level (9th or JV) 3. Place his responsibilities on another coach 4. Improvement plan - however, what if they do not follow through 5. Other
The reason for my question is that I feel we are not maximizing our coaches and it is going on deaf ears. These individuals show up however, fail to carry out their roles/jobs to the best of their ability or what is assigned to them.
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Post by jg78 on Dec 6, 2015 21:09:28 GMT -6
It would build up resentment for me (a single guy with no kids) if I had a harder workload than someone else because of his family responsibilities. I think my personal time is every bit as important as anyone with a family.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 6:25:22 GMT -6
This is a great topic. I have a question. We map out all responsibilities for coaches during the off-season 6 months ahead of time. I understand some coaches have other responsibilities i.e. family, kid(s) functions, work obligations, travel etc. However, in-season is a different story. If you have a large staff like us, but certain individuals are not carrying their weight which of the following would you recommend. 1. Remove the coach from staff 2. Ask him to coach to a lower level (9th or JV) 3. Place his responsibilities on another coach 4. Improvement plan - however, what if they do not follow through 5. Other The reason for my question is that I feel we are not maximizing our coaches and it is going on deaf ears. These individuals show up however, fail to carry out their roles/jobs to the best of their ability or what is assigned to them. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. In the perfect world you would remove that individual. If you can re assign the coach, and put somebody else in that role.
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Post by coachphillip on Dec 7, 2015 8:44:24 GMT -6
It would build up resentment for me (a single guy with no kids) if I had a harder workload than someone else because of his family responsibilities. I think my personal time is every bit as important as anyone with a family. That's fine. Then that's an argument for everyone to work the same no matter what. I'm good with that. The post still had to do with cutting back on time spent in the weight room because of a commute. :rolleyes:
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 7, 2015 9:10:40 GMT -6
It would build up resentment for me (a single guy with no kids) if I had a harder workload than someone else because of his family responsibilities. I think my personal time is every bit as important as anyone with a family. That's fine. Then that's an argument for everyone to work the same no matter what. I'm good with that. The post still had to do with cutting back on time spent in the weight room because of a commute. :rolleyes: I have to clarify, it's not about my commute. Specifically, this off season, we were all assigned weeks in the weight room. One of our coaches was going to be out of town for his week, and yet somehow I was the one who should have picked up his entire week. Because I don't teach. I was just talking about people who live further away or aren't in the building being asked to fill in when other people are closer, and are also being paid. I do a whole lot of stuff on my own time, and I really don't care about that. I do the things that need to be done to make things easier for the program as a whole. For me, the issue with people living a greater distance away comes when there are 6 people within 5 minutes of the school and who work at the school who aren't asked to do any of the extra things because of their "family obligations." I'm not trying to get out of doing my job or anything like that, but if there are 5 qualified people just down the hall who can stay after school 30 minutes to cover for someone, there really isn't any need to get in touch with me this week. Maybe you think I'm being a baby or something like that, and I'm really not. It's not about being lazy, it's just about the fact that my time is equally as valuable, regardless of my employment status. Sorry that I work from home and don't feel obligated to pick up the slack for people who are there all day every day.
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Post by coachphillip on Dec 7, 2015 9:17:38 GMT -6
I'm totally with you on that. Why ask the guy 30 minutes out to cover when there are five guys on campus who can do it? Your first post said nothing about covering for guys who aren't pulling their fair share. It said you should take into account what people are doing in the off season and that even though you all got scheduled equal time, you got the short end of the stick because of your distance from the school. You then followed the whole thing up with hating being in the weight room. If you're saying guys are not living up to their commitments, then I agree that having a guy on campus makes more sense to fill in than an off campus guy.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 7, 2015 9:25:03 GMT -6
I'm totally with you on that. Why ask the guy 30 minutes out to cover when there are five guys on campus who can do it? Your first post said nothing about covering for guys who aren't pulling their fair share. It said you should take into account what people are doing in the off season and that even though you all got scheduled equal time, you got the short end of the stick because of your distance from the school. You then followed the whole thing up with hating being in the weight room. If you're saying guys are not living up to their commitments, then I agree that having a guy on campus makes more sense to fill in than an off campus guy. I apologize for not being more clear. My phone wasn't cooperating when I typed that first one, and I tried to get it in quick. I meant it all more in the sense that, when something extra suddenly comes up, there are numerous guys right down the hall who can deal with that. I drive by our supply store every day, so I wouldn't expect any of them be asked to pick up tape or anything. I do stand being the statement that I hate doing off season weights, though.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 7, 2015 9:40:25 GMT -6
Every school is different. Our HC just retired after 40 years, 20 as HC, so things will probably change, but we get paid for coaching during the season. Anything else is extra and we don't get paid for it. Only 1 or 2 coaches out of the 6 paid coaches, actually do thingd during the off season. I'm not 100% positive, but if a paid assistant said they have other obligations during the off seasons, I do not think they could be fired or let go around here because our job descriptions are mainly outlined from August to end of the season.
After typing that, I would hope there is at least a few really dedicated coaches on a staff that will be in the weight room in the winter and spring and be somewhat working all year long.
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 10, 2015 12:17:56 GMT -6
Every school is different. Our HC just retired after 40 years, 20 as HC, so things will probably change, but we get paid for coaching during the season. Anything else is extra and we don't get paid for it. Only 1 or 2 coaches out of the 6 paid coaches, actually do thingd during the off season. I'm not 100% positive, but if a paid assistant said they have other obligations during the off seasons, I do not think they could be fired or let go around here because our job descriptions are mainly outlined from August to end of the season. After typing that, I would hope there is at least a few really dedicated coaches on a staff that will be in the weight room in the winter and spring and be somewhat working all year long. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards While your contract may say just during the season we all know the importance of the off season. If a guy wasn't fullfiling what the HC asked in the off season and it was reasonable then the HC would have every right not to keep that guy around, diminish his responsibilities or title, or be on the look out for a replacement. I get what you are saying about contract length however I don't think the HC would have a rough time justifying not keeping someone on staff, those spots are supplemental 1 year contracts not tenured.
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Post by agame on Dec 10, 2015 13:34:19 GMT -6
I do whatever my Hc tells me to do!
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Post by gibbs72 on Dec 11, 2015 11:11:34 GMT -6
GUMP, WHAT IS YOUR SOLE PURPOSE IN THIS ARMY?
TO DO WHATEVER IT IS YOU TELL ME TO, DRILL SEARGENT.
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Post by Party@QB on Dec 11, 2015 13:28:03 GMT -6
1. Weight room is a great teaching place for discipline and mental toughness... Maybe coaches need some of that too.
2. You know the job, do what the HC says. Don't look around and say well that guy doesn't do what I do.
How quick would you jump a WR if he came to you and said he didn't think it was fair he had to run vertical routes and the OL didn't?
Do your job, if you don't like your job find a new one, but don't make the coaches around you miserable.
Assistants don't get fired for wins and losses HCs do. Do what he says.
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