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Post by nltdiego on Nov 17, 2015 20:32:22 GMT -6
WE collected equipment today after a successful season. However, we were very undiscipline, but were able to hide it due to talent in some games. Today I realized how undiscipline we were when 12 of 20 juniors forgot some sort of equipment today when we turned in equipment. I know this is not huge deal but there were small piece of discipline issues all year, that included 15 yard penalties (2 per game), late to practice, talking back to coaches, etc.
Just curious how discipline your program is? If this a new era of kids that just dont get it?
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Post by Coach Bennett on Nov 18, 2015 6:10:02 GMT -6
Set clear expectations with articulated consequences for failing to meet them. Be firm, fair and consistent.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 18, 2015 10:33:29 GMT -6
The John Wooden approach- few rules consistently enforced...no one is free of punishment.
I believe his rules were:
1. No tardiness 2. No profanity 3. No criticizing your teammates
Don't make threats you don't back up- for example "if you forget a piece of equipment you will not play tomorrow" and then when the starting RB comes and says "I lost my thigh pad" you had better bench him.
If you're not willing to do that then it shouldn't be a rule.
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Post by underdog21 on Nov 18, 2015 11:33:52 GMT -6
The John Wooden approach- few rules consistently enforced...no one is free of punishment. I believe his rules were: 1. No tardiness 2. No profanity 3. No criticizing your teammates Don't make threats you don't back up- for example "if you forget a piece of equipment you will not play tomorrow" and then when the starting RB comes and says "I lost my thigh pad" you had better bench him. If you're not willing to do that then it shouldn't be a rule. This is the best advice. Too many times I see coaches threaten and never back them up. Worst thing you can do. Set clear expectations; punishments for not meeting those expectations. Not being late is the biggest one. However, I believe discipline starts with the coaches. Every coach is on the same page and holds the same expectations. As far as equipment. Create a spread sheet on excel, mark everything down. Mark down when they ask for a extra knee pad; make them run or pay for that extra equipment. Put their numbers in their pads and practice gear. Organization is key.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 18, 2015 12:59:19 GMT -6
I had a coach who made a kid run BEFORE any equipment was issued. I once saw our starting FS run 4 gassers BEFORE a playoff game because he forgot a thigh pad. Guess what: people quit forgetting things.
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Post by olinedude on Nov 18, 2015 13:04:06 GMT -6
Consistency and clear expectations are key.
Make sure every kid and coach knows the expectations, then enforce it consistently no matter who the kid is. That will in and of itself change the face of a program quickly.
One other thing I've seen done is to get the kids in rows for roll, and when kids get in trouble in the classroom, miss a day without letting a coach know they would miss, or do anything else wrong behavioral wise stand them up in front of the entire team and give them a good stern talking too. I was in a program that was rough and had to be COMPLETELY rebuilt in terms of behavior, and when those kids were stood up in front of everybody and got a nice chewing about their behavior hurt the team it put a lot more pressure on them to act right. Everything always came back to how their behavior effected the team, and it was usually intense and unenjoyable for the kids. However, they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they would be held accountable, and they wanted to make sure they didn't get stood up in front of the team. It also allowed the kids and leaders of the group to see who was being a bad teammate. The kids knew who they could rely on, who was doing right, and we wound up with the right kids being leaders on the team. The kids who never got stood up and called out for being a bad teammate had a voice, but the knuckleheads had no voice because everyone on the team had seen them repeatedly get held accountable for screwing up. Two off seasons of this and the culture had completely changed.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 18, 2015 13:16:09 GMT -6
Last year in our nightmare year I was still tracking down various equipment in May.
This year, with the same group of kids minus 6 Srs we have every piece of equipment, except on practice jersey, turned in before Thanksgiving. And we made the playoffs this year and didn't last year.
Difference? I think our leadership team (which I plan on penning my article over Thanksgiving break) played a large role, as did eliminating our douchebag Srs from that team. We put more responsibility on the kids and their leadership and they responded by acting more like responsible adults. It was really cool.
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Post by nltdiego on Nov 19, 2015 7:50:55 GMT -6
We had a successful year too unlike last year. HOWEVER, looking at ways for kids to want to play for each other. If you take a play off you are mad because you doth want to let team down and feel guilty.
Guess my question is how do you get kids to feel and play like that?
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 19, 2015 11:07:58 GMT -6
Honestly we hit them hard early in the year and they get the point.
1st week of camp- blew the whistle to break into INdy groups- a senior WR (very good kid) walked to his group. I blew the whistle a bunch of times and got everyone on the sideline.
Reiterated rule #2- never walk on the field.
Everyone pencil rolled across the field. Kids started throwing up. The perpetrator apologized to the team and said it will never happen again. Success.
I had a 'Nam Vet coach in college that used to say "Nothing builds morale quicker than common suffering."
From then on all I have to do is yell "Hey...is that Mike walking on the field?" and everyone starts yelling for people to run. Done deal.
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Post by PSS on Nov 20, 2015 8:40:16 GMT -6
It has to be done in the Off-season. You can't teach discipline during the season. You can but you will have a difficult time winning games. They have to learn to be a team in the weight room, doing the little things right, i.e. being on time / not skipping reps. It has to carry-over to your summer program also.
Core work is a great way to develop teamwork / discipline. Ex: they have to hold planks for a minute, if anyone moves or goes down you add time. That will develop discipline quick. It makes them hold each other accountable for their actions.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 20, 2015 9:03:02 GMT -6
This is what we do in the summer: "1 touch we all touch" with our core workout. Good way to also get the freshman/ new guys to understand quickly the word "accountability".
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 20, 2015 9:39:13 GMT -6
Discipline starts for us in January. The day we walk in the Tues after the break, it's 100% full go on the 4 responses (yes, no, no excuse, I don't understand), on cleaning up after yourself (lysol wipe benches and bars, rack plates and bars, put clips back, take out trash, vacuum floor), on no sitting/leaning/talking during workouts, and on accountability (grade checks, attendance, discipline on campus, tardy to class/school, etc). We go hard year around on that stuff. I feel like if you are respectful, clean, organized, and accountable... what else can you control as a coach? I can't control talent- I get who shows up.
Want to know how to get discipline? Drop them on the depth chart. If you're at 17 kids like we were, I would take little things away like move a kid to a FB on KOR from KR. They can always clean locker room, take out trash, put equipment away, be a quality h2o provider.
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 20, 2015 11:11:27 GMT -6
This thing about discipline can get pumped way out of proportion...the kids know what is expected.
They have to be on time for school, they have to bring their books to class, turn in homework and book reports, projects, term papers...THEY KNOW what discipline is. What they DON'T yet know is what YOU will do when a team rule is violated, and believe me...THEY'LL TEST YOU!
My system is simple...the team rules are the same as the school rules. Violation results in proportional punishment...up to and including exclusion from the group. The trick is...I follow through. That includes paying for lost equipment, and sport (PE) credit for graduation is not endorsed by me to the administration until the matter is settled.
BTW...earrings, body piercings and the like are not allowed and before you knock on my office door...GET A HAIRCUT!
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Post by Coach Bennett on Nov 20, 2015 13:24:19 GMT -6
This thing about discipline can get pumped way out of proportion...the kids know what is expected. They have to be on time for school, they have to bring their books to class, turn in homework and book reports, projects, term papers...THEY KNOW what discipline is. What they DON'T yet know is what YOU will do when a team rule is violated, and believe me...THEY'LL TEST YOU! My system is simple...the team rules are the same as the school rules. Violation results in proportional punishment...up to and including exclusion from the group. The trick is...I follow through. That includes paying for lost equipment, and sport (PE) credit for graduation is not endorsed by me to the administration until the matter is settled. BTW...earrings, body piercings and the like are not allowed and before you knock on my office door...GET A HAIRCUT! I like what you've written about follow through because kids will certainly test you. Is your "BTW" related to discipline or just a side comment? Since your team rules are the same as the school rules, does your school prohibit earrings, body piercings and/or long hair? Do you see how an athlete presents themselves as linked to team discipline?
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 20, 2015 16:41:37 GMT -6
This thing about discipline can get pumped way out of proportion...the kids know what is expected. They have to be on time for school, they have to bring their books to class, turn in homework and book reports, projects, term papers...THEY KNOW what discipline is. What they DON'T yet know is what YOU will do when a team rule is violated, and believe me...THEY'LL TEST YOU! My system is simple...the team rules are the same as the school rules. Violation results in proportional punishment...up to and including exclusion from the group. The trick is...I follow through. That includes paying for lost equipment, and sport (PE) credit for graduation is not endorsed by me to the administration until the matter is settled. BTW...earrings, body piercings and the like are not allowed and before you knock on my office door...GET A HAIRCUT! I like what you've written about follow through because kids will certainly test you. Is your "BTW" related to discipline or just a side comment? Since your team rules are the same as the school rules, does your school prohibit earrings, body piercings and/or long hair? Do you see how an athlete presents themselves as linked to team discipline? I'm at a private school, so although the school rues do permit such "adornments" up to a certain point...I have the option of disallowing such things in the locker room, clubhouse, and on the field. The haircut thing is mine! Admin supports me.
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Post by blitzology on Nov 20, 2015 17:00:35 GMT -6
When we do equipment issue we have checklist form for each player. The player signs the checklist at the end of equipment issue to certify what they received. At turn in they sign the form again documenting what they turned back in to the program. Coaches supervise the hand out and hand in checking the equipment checklist and the player puts his signature down to confirm it all. They receive a receipt showing if they owe money for any missing equipment. This is a refection of our program. We make the details and the program standards feel important. As a result the players make them a priority. Also the idea of signing a contract is a learning opportunity for players to start to understand maturity and the importance of what your signature means.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 8:09:46 GMT -6
The simple answer is how I have defined servant leadership: You do what is best for the whole/program. That may not be what is best for you or the individual at question.
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Post by CS on Nov 21, 2015 8:33:48 GMT -6
The John Wooden approach- few rules consistently enforced...no one is free of punishment. I believe his rules were: 1. No tardiness 2. No profanity 3. No criticizing your teammates Don't make threats you don't back up- for example "if you forget a piece of equipment you will not play tomorrow" and then when the starting RB comes and says "I lost my thigh pad" you had better bench him. If you're not willing to do that then it shouldn't be a rule. Absolutely HAVE to back up anything you say! On the flip side when I was at a smaller school on top of being the varsity DC I was also the Jr. High head coach and learned real quick not to paint myself into that corner. Its always the stud that forgets something. I think I'm gonna have that put on a shirt
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Post by workboots on Nov 22, 2015 9:10:09 GMT -6
You have to set the tone. Don't allow little mistakes to be made. You lost your butt pad? You have bear crawls after practice. You're late to practice? You have a gasser for every five minutes you missed. Starters who break rules will no longer start. Consistently break rules and you will be cut. Don't allow any kid, no matter how talented, to get away with anything.
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Post by fantom on Nov 22, 2015 9:28:39 GMT -6
You have to set the tone. Don't allow little mistakes to be made. You lost your butt pad? You have bear crawls after practice. You're late to practice? You have a gasser for every five minutes you missed. Starters who break rules will no longer start. Consistently break rules and you will be cut. Don't allow any kid, no matter how talented, to get away with anything. Define "Consistently". What rules are these that are being broken?
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Post by workboots on Nov 22, 2015 9:52:14 GMT -6
You have to set the tone. Don't allow little mistakes to be made. You lost your butt pad? You have bear crawls after practice. You're late to practice? You have a gasser for every five minutes you missed. Starters who break rules will no longer start. Consistently break rules and you will be cut. Don't allow any kid, no matter how talented, to get away with anything. Define "Consistently". What rules are these that are being broken? I should have clarified more. Obviously you're not going to run a kid off for losing a hip pad every week. But if he's getting into it with the other team every Friday night, then it may be something to consider. Always try to set them straight if you can, but sometimes you just have to let one go.
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Post by powell3120 on Dec 2, 2015 3:31:35 GMT -6
Similar to others, but I can remember what I went through playing HS sports... I think the most common things that worked for us were playing for each other and common suffering. Our coaches stressed that we weren't playing for them. The coaches could go home and it doesn't affect their family. The community could go home after a loss, and be disappointed, but their lives carried on. But after every game and every practice, you should be able to look every teammate in the eye and honestly tell them you were prepared, you gave everything you had, and did the best you possibly could. As a team captain, I made my teammates do this from time to time. And if we knew they were lying, we would have a players only meeting and call them out in front of everyone. We had ONE players only meeting a year, typically early in the year. It wasn't necessary after that because they knew what would happen. Remember, these are kids. Their peers are the world they know, they strive for their respect, they are the people they see every day in the halls, classes, and at social events, not you. So if you can get them to police themselves, you only have to manage the leaders/captains instead of the whole team. As for common suffering, if one person fails, the TEAM fails. If one person blows their coverage, the whole TEAM gives up a TD. If one guy misses a block, the TEAM turns the ball over. Therefore, if one guy is late, one guy forgets something, one guy does something wrong, the whole TEAM is punished. One guy goes 50% in a full speed drill, then everyone gets to run 110% sprints "to balance the numbers" as I like to say. I think it depends on the group you have. If you have good leaders and accountable kids, the first works better. If you don't have true leaders, the second works better, and may cause a leader to rise. You have to know your kids' personalities, and use them just like you use their physical abilities.
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Post by coachjm on Dec 2, 2015 4:53:45 GMT -6
Discipline is nothing more then the team meeting the expectations that the adults set forward... This looks different for all of us! I could care less if kids have earrings and long hair for example, others for good reason believe this is something that doesn't represent their team well. Ultimately the expectations we have for kids of discipline on the field are much more similar. ie Don't commit fouls, respect your teammates, respect your coaches, ect.
If expectations are clearly stated and there is accountability to these they will be met, it is really as simple as that. I do believe most coaches do this however, the one other piece to all of this is the element of tolerance ALL of us tolerate some actions that are less then our expectations, ALL of us have at some point not held a kid accountable for a minor moment of not meeting expectations. I believe when a coach's TOLERANCE becomes to generous is when generally programs start having discipline problems as there suddenly becomes no clear expectation.
To conclude, have clear simple expectations known to all, have accountability consistently when those expectations aren't met and watch the discipline improve and also understand there may be a few boys who choose not to participate because they really aren't looking for this level of accountability in their lives.
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