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Post by fbs on Nov 19, 2015 15:17:27 GMT -6
I think that there's no way that you can be both, however I think that the evolution of a good coach includes understanding the relationship between the two and how one can help the other. I think when we are young or inexperienced that we often have this attitude of "do your job"... meaning it's the offenses job to score points and the defenses job to keep them off the scoreboard. Later on, if you're around the right people you start to understand it's not that simple. I do think the burden of change is on the offense, because they can win several different battles (time of possession, keeping the defense off the field, running the ball and running the clock, FG, TD), the defense can win only 2 (Holding to only a FG, or keeping them from scoring altogether).
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 19, 2015 19:19:13 GMT -6
I think that there's no way that you can be both, however I think that the evolution of a good coach includes understanding the relationship between the two and how one can help the other. I think when we are young or inexperienced that we often have this attitude of "do your job"... meaning it's the offenses job to score points and the defenses job to keep them off the scoreboard. Later on, if you're around the right people you start to understand it's not that simple. I do think the burden of change is on the offense, because they can win several different battles (time of possession, keeping the defense off the field, running the ball and running the clock, FG, TD), the defense can win only 2 (Holding to only a FG, or keeping them from scoring altogether). They absolutely work together. We had a really stout defense this past year. Knowing that my defense would bail me out 9/10 times allowed me to be far more aggressive of a playcaller on offense. Not that I want to put our defense into tough spots ever, but I still knew that I could come out and take some shots here and there that I might not take in most years. |
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Post by fbs on Nov 20, 2015 9:32:04 GMT -6
I think that there's no way that you can be both, however I think that the evolution of a good coach includes understanding the relationship between the two and how one can help the other. I think when we are young or inexperienced that we often have this attitude of "do your job"... meaning it's the offenses job to score points and the defenses job to keep them off the scoreboard. Later on, if you're around the right people you start to understand it's not that simple. I do think the burden of change is on the offense, because they can win several different battles (time of possession, keeping the defense off the field, running the ball and running the clock, FG, TD), the defense can win only 2 (Holding to only a FG, or keeping them from scoring altogether). They absolutely work together. We had a really stout defense this past year. Knowing that my defense would bail me out 9/10 times allowed me to be far more aggressive of a playcaller on offense. Not that I want to put our defense into tough spots ever, but I still knew that I could come out and take some shots here and there that I might not take in most years. 100% agree. Another issue that is often the cause of a lot of animosity between the two sides (granted you have split staffs) is not punting when you should. Obviously situation dictates whether or not to legitimately go for it, but I'm talking about an offensive minded HC or a greedy OC with autonomy deciding to go for it from the -40 in a close game. |
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Post by realdawg on Nov 20, 2015 10:07:37 GMT -6
Another thing to add. Coaching defense for a while has made me a much better offensive coach bc I have a better understanding of where certain coverages and fronts are weakest.
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Post by blb on Nov 20, 2015 10:19:01 GMT -6
I think if you're going to be a HC you'd better be an expert in all phases unless you have a guy you REALLY trust with one side of the ball and you know he's going to be with you for the long haul!
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Post by windigo on Nov 20, 2015 10:32:14 GMT -6
You need to be good at both. When you are drawing up a scheme you need to be thinking about what you would do as a coordinator to attack it.
This season for a playoff game I was brainstorming with the DC. Looking at his scheme I said 'if I'm the OC I'm attacking right there' sure enough after a couple of series the OC attacked us right there, fortunately knowing our weakness existed we had a check.
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Post by racehorse on Nov 22, 2015 9:41:48 GMT -6
I read the original post different than most. I didn't take it to mean "understands offense, but not defense" or "Knows defense, but not offense" but rather what is your first instinct on "4th and 3 from your own 48" I took it to mean in your gut, are you more comfortable with ball control, field position football or more comfortable trying to just score points regardless as to the effects you choices have on your defense. That's a great way to think of it. It's 4th and 3. Would you rather call a play to get the 1st down, or make a call to stop them? That should tell you your side preference. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 22, 2015 9:54:59 GMT -6
I read the original post different than most. I didn't take it to mean "understands offense, but not defense" or "Knows defense, but not offense" but rather what is your first instinct on "4th and 3 from your own 48" I took it to mean in your gut, are you more comfortable with ball control, field position football or more comfortable trying to just score points regardless as to the effects you choices have on your defense. That's a great way to think of it. It's 4th and 3. Would you rather call a play to get the 1st down, or make a call to stop them? That should tell you your side preference. I don't even know if i would call it a "preference", nor do I think that the actual DECISION you make is the defining point, but I do think that the initial gut instinct before other factors are considered (bad punter, great punter, particularly good defense that year, great offensive matchup, etc) probably would be a good way to label someone as "offensive minded" or "defensive minded" . |
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 26, 2015 8:26:59 GMT -6
My first two years coaching I worked with RBs and kickers, helped with DBs. Our HC then gave me the best advice I've ever gotten: "If you want to be a head coach, you better know Defense." Ia this always true? I mean I know Defense, spent time as a DC. But I am an offensive guy no doubt. I pretty much give my DC free reign. He is good, now of course I have input in the game plan, but I usually don't bother them. I have defensive guys on staff than offensive. |
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Post by blb on Nov 26, 2015 8:37:41 GMT -6
My first two years coaching I worked with RBs and kickers, helped with DBs. Our HC then gave me the best advice I've ever gotten: "If you want to be a head coach, you better know Defense." Ia this always true? I mean I know Defense, spent time as a DC. But I am an offensive guy no doubt. I pretty much give my DC free reign. He is good, now of course I have input in the game plan, but I usually don't bother them. I have defensive guys on staff than offensive. Even if you are an "offensive guy," you have to understand the structures-weaknesses, possible adjustments of Defenses in order to attack them. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 26, 2015 10:15:52 GMT -6
Ia this always true? I mean I know Defense, spent time as a DC. But I am an offensive guy no doubt. I pretty much give my DC free reign. He is good, now of course I have input in the game plan, but I usually don't bother them. I have defensive guys on staff than offensive. Even if you are an "offensive guy," you have to understand the structures-weaknesses, possible adjustments of Defenses in order to attack them. Totally agree. I'm an "offensive guy" as I have said before. I understand what defenses do and how attack those different things. If I were told tomorrow I was the new DC I would have a long offseason ahead of me of preparing though. Understanding things doesn't always mean you know how to coach it, but I think if you understand it you have a good start. |
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