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Post by coachjtm on Nov 9, 2015 13:52:32 GMT -6
Had our first playoff game this Sunday (rained out previous Saturday so this was the makeup). Great game down 12-0 at half, came back to win 20-18 with 2 minutes left. The other team's star player and almost sole ball carrier (they ran 31 plays and 27 were to this kid) was knocked out on our sideline. We called the other staff over immediately, kid couldn't stand up straight, wobbled, was caught by one of our coaches. 1000 yard stare, the whole bit. Pretty clear concussion, head was hurting. They pulled the kid off two plays and stuck him right back in. Hell of a player ripped off a 55 yard TD run. He's in on defense and gets rung up by our 6th lineman (not really a TE) on a play and they keep him in. He runs 4 times on the next series, each time he's getting hit by 2 plus guys except the last one. He goes heads up on the CB (stationary and broken down) but this kid drops his helmet for a helmet to helmet hit. Immediately fumbles on 4th down and wobbles again getting back up. Then they send this kid in again after that. Finally pull him at the end of the game while we are taking a knee. Kids is stumbling, can't walk straight on the sideline and in the post game handshake is bawling, holding his head.
Our entire staff couldn't believe it. We had a league official go over but their staff swore up and down he passed a concussion test in the two plays he was off the field. Our whole league is part of the USA Football system and I feel like there has to be a better way to handle that. I'm sure many coaches on here have run into this but I personally haven't seen anything this close and would love any advice. Ranting about idiots like this only helps so much.
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Post by Coach.A on Nov 9, 2015 14:07:26 GMT -6
Where the officials made aware of the situation? I'm not sure of your rules, but here the officials have the right to remove a player from a game if they feel he is unsafe or concussed.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 9, 2015 14:10:03 GMT -6
Had our first playoff game this Sunday (rained out previous Saturday so this was the makeup). Great game down 12-0 at half, came back to win 20-18 with 2 minutes left. The other team's star player and almost sole ball carrier (they ran 31 plays and 27 were to this kid) was knocked out on our sideline. We called the other staff over immediately, kid couldn't stand up straight, wobbled, was caught by one of our coaches. 1000 yard stare, the whole bit. Pretty clear concussion, head was hurting. They pulled the kid off two plays and stuck him right back in. Hell of a player ripped off a 55 yard TD run. He's in on defense and gets rung up by our 6th lineman (not really a TE) on a play and they keep him in. He runs 4 times on the next series, each time he's getting hit by 2 plus guys except the last one. He goes heads up on the CB (stationary and broken down) but this kid drops his helmet for a helmet to helmet hit. Immediately fumbles on 4th down and wobbles again getting back up. Then they send this kid in again after that. Finally pull him at the end of the game while we are taking a knee. Kids is stumbling, can't walk straight on the sideline and in the post game handshake is bawling, holding his head. Our entire staff couldn't believe it. We had a league official go over but their staff swore up and down he passed a concussion test in the two plays he was off the field. Our whole league is part of the USA Football system and I feel like there has to be a better way to handle that. I'm sure many coaches on here have run into this but I personally haven't seen anything this close and would love any advice. Ranting about idiots like this only helps so much. sounds like your "league official" didnt do his job. there is no "concussion test". concussions can have MANY symptoms or non at all. if i was on either side of the field i would have FLIPPED and stopped the game. we are here to teach a game and protect these kids. |
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Post by coachjtm on Nov 9, 2015 15:07:45 GMT -6
We were pretty exercised but our head coach was on us pretty good about getting in the ref & league ears about it. I'm still incredibly angry about it right now. I probably will be for a very, very long time. Ref crew we had though is widely acknowledged as the worst in our league and it's not close. We run through a specific set of tests and one of our coaches brother is a doc who is at all our games so we're covered but their side didn't let him on the field. Like I said we were all pretty shaken by it and really angry as it went on.
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Post by mackwildcat25 on Nov 16, 2015 14:59:37 GMT -6
This is what happens when a adult coach puts victory over a player (a child)'s health. This greatly saddens me. I love football, especially the physical battle it is. But when it comes to health and safety of the player, let alone a child, there should be a clear line.
Praying it gets worked out and the kid is ok. There should be a more definitive "test" or something the player should have to undergo before reentry to the game.
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 16, 2015 15:57:10 GMT -6
If any of our kids shows concussions symptoms we basically have to pull him and send him to the doc and he can't play til said doc releases him. No such thing as going back in that day.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 16, 2015 16:02:09 GMT -6
If any of our kids shows concussions symptoms we basically have to pull him and send him to the doc and he can't play til said doc releases him. No such thing as going back in that day. thats how it HAS to be. When i played, yea we had some of those "tough coaches" hell my DC in HS was a Retired Army Ranger (not that old, he was maybe 35)..so when we got hurt in practice or in games, it was pretty common to hear "get up p#ssy!" from the coaches. now? i dont risk ANYTHING, kid goes down - basic assessment on the spot by me, then medical if needed. if the head is even remotely involved and the kid is showing any "weirdness", we typically call for a paramedic, because...we dont take risks. |
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Post by coachphillip on Nov 16, 2015 17:54:30 GMT -6
I don't mess with this stuff anymore. As soon as they show signs, they come out and never go back in. I had a kid a few years ago who had a mild hit on an opposing RB at the sideline. Kid got "shook up" but didn't act symptomatic. After the game, he fell down and started crying because of the pain he was experiencing. Got rushed to the hospital and diagnosed with a severe concussion. Major wake up call for me. Thank god his dad was a former collegiate player and understood how I didn't see the signs. It didn't look even close to being a hard hit to him either. We've gotta cover our behinds and get educated on this stuff.
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Post by coachdoug on Nov 16, 2015 22:20:35 GMT -6
I don't mess with this stuff anymore. As soon as they show signs, they come out and never go back in. I had a kid a few years ago who had a mild hit on an opposing RB at the sideline. Kid got "shook up" but didn't act symptomatic. After the game, he fell down and started crying because of the pain he was experiencing. Got rushed to the hospital and diagnosed with a severe concussion. Major wake up call for me. Thank god his dad was a former collegiate player and understood how I didn't see the signs. It didn't look even close to being a hard hit to him either. We've gotta cover our behinds and get educated on this stuff. Yeah, I've had similar experiences. In 1999, I had a kid get his bell rung. Just as I was dialing for an ambulance, the kid started pleading with me that he was okay and to let him back into practice. Thankfully I stuck to my guns and called for the ambulance - the kid was still throwing up a week or two later and wasn't cleared to return until almost a month later - I can't imagine what might have occurred if I had given in and let the kid back into practice. In another case, just last year (2014), I had a kid get a concussion during a game. When it happened, I had no idea what happened, I just saw our kid walking around on the field after the play, acting loopy. We pulled him out, and sent him for medical attention, where it was determined that he had a concussion. When I looked at the game video, there was nothing there - he got blocked and went down, fairly gently - there was no head bouncing off the turf or anything like that - watching the video, I can't believe it caused a concussion, but I guess there is cumulative effect to sub-concussive hits over time. I'm not sure I believed that before, but it was pretty clearly evident in this case. In any event, I'm with several others in this thread - if there is ANY doubt, I'm holding the kid out. No win is worth the future well being of a kid. |
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Post by coachjtm on Nov 16, 2015 22:52:17 GMT -6
Im convinced some kids are more susceptible to concussions and probably shouldnt play a major contact sport (football, bball, hockey, lacrosse or soccer).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 23:56:03 GMT -6
I mean no disrespect by this but when you saw this going on how can you not burn one of your timeouts and get the officials together with the league official? If it's as bad as you say I'd have somebody up in the stands getting his parents down onto the field, I don't care what kind of disturbance it caused.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2016 6:46:15 GMT -6
*edit* Question answered
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Post by 33coach on Nov 19, 2016 15:02:03 GMT -6
I mean no disrespect by this but when you saw this going on how can you not burn one of your timeouts and get the officials together with the league official? If it's as bad as you say I'd have somebody up in the stands getting his parents down onto the field, I don't care what kind of disturbance it caused. at that point. screw calling a timeout. just walk out on the field. if they want to throw a flag...let them throw it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2016 15:14:57 GMT -6
I mean no disrespect by this but when you saw this going on how can you not burn one of your timeouts and get the officials together with the league official? If it's as bad as you say I'd have somebody up in the stands getting his parents down onto the field, I don't care what kind of disturbance it caused. at that point. screw calling a timeout. just walk out on the field. if they want to throw a flag...let them throw it. While I understand both @boneyard and 33coach 's points here, I think the reality of the situation, particular as described, is that such actions would be viewed as trying to get the opponents best player out of the game--and thus stirring up a hornets nest. |
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Post by 33coach on Nov 19, 2016 15:16:17 GMT -6
at that point. screw calling a timeout. just walk out on the field. if they want to throw a flag...let them throw it. While I understand both @boneyard and 33coach 's points here, I think the reality of the situation, particular as described, is that such actions would be viewed as trying to get the opponents best player out of the game--and thus stirring up a hornets nest. if people wanted to look at it that way...sure. but we could ALSO all be adults and realize that a child is in danger... although when it comes to youth sports...thats pretty much impossible. |
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 19, 2016 16:09:23 GMT -6
Is there some exaggerating going on with this story? Maybe it's different elsewhere, but if that was here, there's no way this could have happened. One, our refs blow, but most likely would have stepped in. If they didn't, the kid's parents or other parents would have caused an uproar and gone right to the AD or even the coach himself. Worst case scenario the AD is having a chat with the head official and the next time the kid shows any signs of a concussion he would be removed.
The kid may have wobbled away once, but it would have never gone past a second time here. It's hard to beleive the lack of immediate response to this situation.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2016 17:37:16 GMT -6
Is there some exaggerating going on with this story? Maybe it's different elsewhere, but if that was here, there's no way this could have happened. One, our refs blow, but most likely would have stepped in. If they didn't, the kid's parents or other parents would have caused an uproar and gone right to the AD or even the coach himself. Worst case scenario the AD is having a chat with the head official and the next time the kid shows any signs of a concussion he would be removed. The kid may have wobbled away once, but it would have never gone past a second time here. It's hard to beleive the lack of immediate response to this situation. You are in the youth football section. No ADs. I was thinking the same thing at first, until I realized what part of the board I was in. |
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 19, 2016 18:02:59 GMT -6
Is there some exaggerating going on with this story? Maybe it's different elsewhere, but if that was here, there's no way this could have happened. One, our refs blow, but most likely would have stepped in. If they didn't, the kid's parents or other parents would have caused an uproar and gone right to the AD or even the coach himself. Worst case scenario the AD is having a chat with the head official and the next time the kid shows any signs of a concussion he would be removed. The kid may have wobbled away once, but it would have never gone past a second time here. It's hard to beleive the lack of immediate response to this situation. You are in the youth football section. No ADs. I was thinking the same thing at first, until I realized what part of the board I was in. Ahhh makes more sense. The only thing I don't like about the app version. I'm still surprised parents didn't at least try to step in. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 0:52:33 GMT -6
at that point. screw calling a timeout. just walk out on the field. if they want to throw a flag...let them throw it. While I understand both @boneyard and 33coach 's points here, I think the reality of the situation, particular as described, is that such actions would be viewed as trying to get the opponents best player out of the game--and thus stirring up a hornets nest. If a little kid is TRULY in danger, I don't really care about the outcome of a youth football game. Frankly, I don't even care if I get tossed out of the league for causing a major stink during a playoff game if it's going to protect the kid (even if he's not one of my players). If the league is turning a blind eye to that type of behavior I don't want to be a part of that league anyway. |
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 20, 2016 8:29:37 GMT -6
While I understand both @boneyard and 33coach 's points here, I think the reality of the situation, particular as described, is that such actions would be viewed as trying to get the opponents best player out of the game--and thus stirring up a hornets nest. If a little kid is TRULY in danger, I don't really care about the outcome of a youth football game. Frankly, I don't even care if I get tossed out of the league for causing a major stink during a playoff game if it's going to protect the kid (even if he's not one of my players). If the league is turning a blind eye to that type of behavior I don't want to be a part of that league anyway. Especially since it's come to my attention that we are talking about a youth game and not high school. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 20, 2016 9:15:01 GMT -6
While I understand both @boneyard and 33coach 's points here, I think the reality of the situation, particular as described, is that such actions would be viewed as trying to get the opponents best player out of the game--and thus stirring up a hornets nest. If a little kid is TRULY in danger, I don't really care about the outcome of a youth football game. Frankly, I don't even care if I get tossed out of the league for causing a major stink during a playoff game if it's going to protect the kid (even if he's not one of my players). If the league is turning a blind eye to that type of behavior I don't want to be a part of that league anyway. Again, while I agree with your point, I am simply saying I think a little keyboard warriorship going on here. I can easily see the situation proceeding in a manner where the only way the player in question isn't playing is if YOU pull YOUR team and forfeit. |
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Post by coachjtm on Nov 21, 2016 9:04:09 GMT -6
If a little kid is TRULY in danger, I don't really care about the outcome of a youth football game. Frankly, I don't even care if I get tossed out of the league for causing a major stink during a playoff game if it's going to protect the kid (even if he's not one of my players). If the league is turning a blind eye to that type of behavior I don't want to be a part of that league anyway. Again, while I agree with your point, I am simply saying I think a little keyboard warriorship going on here. I can easily see the situation proceeding in a manner where the only way the player in question isn't playing is if YOU pull YOUR team and forfeit. That particular coach was banned for life from our league this year. Two league officials were standing behind him on the sideline when he told on of his players to target another kid (wasn't my game, so I didn't get the details). This is in Texas and a lot of these "coaches" are former high school guys living out their dream. To be honest it's driving me a little nuts. |
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 21, 2016 12:20:08 GMT -6
Had our first playoff game this Sunday (rained out previous Saturday so this was the makeup). Great game down 12-0 at half, came back to win 20-18 with 2 minutes left. The other team's star player and almost sole ball carrier (they ran 31 plays and 27 were to this kid) was knocked out on our sideline. We called the other staff over immediately, kid couldn't stand up straight, wobbled, was caught by one of our coaches. 1000 yard stare, the whole bit. Pretty clear concussion, head was hurting. They pulled the kid off two plays and stuck him right back in. Hell of a player ripped off a 55 yard TD run. He's in on defense and gets rung up by our 6th lineman (not really a TE) on a play and they keep him in. He runs 4 times on the next series, each time he's getting hit by 2 plus guys except the last one. He goes heads up on the CB (stationary and broken down) but this kid drops his helmet for a helmet to helmet hit. Immediately fumbles on 4th down and wobbles again getting back up. Then they send this kid in again after that. Finally pull him at the end of the game while we are taking a knee. Kids is stumbling, can't walk straight on the sideline and in the post game handshake is bawling, holding his head. Our entire staff couldn't believe it. We had a league official go over but their staff swore up and down he passed a concussion test in the two plays he was off the field. Our whole league is part of the USA Football system and I feel like there has to be a better way to handle that. I'm sure many coaches on here have run into this but I personally haven't seen anything this close and would love any advice. Ranting about idiots like this only helps so much. I hate offering advice (that was ASKED for in the first place) in these situations because there are ALWAYS "naysayers" who will tell you "IT CAN'T BE DONE" (to me "CAN'T" is a word found only in the dictionary of losers) but this is what I would insist upon: The league should make SURE someone qualified (preferably IMPARTIAL) gives the "Concussion Test". In Youth League you can recruit Doctors (or a trained Sports Medicine person) to do this as VOLUNTEERS. On the High School level we HAVE Team Doctors at all games! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:01:27 GMT -6
If a little kid is TRULY in danger, I don't really care about the outcome of a youth football game. Frankly, I don't even care if I get tossed out of the league for causing a major stink during a playoff game if it's going to protect the kid (even if he's not one of my players). If the league is turning a blind eye to that type of behavior I don't want to be a part of that league anyway. Again, while I agree with your point, I am simply saying I think a little keyboard warriorship going on here. I can easily see the situation proceeding in a manner where the only way the player in question isn't playing is if YOU pull YOUR team and forfeit. If it were many years ago when I was coaching youth sports that my own kids were playing in (12 years old and younger) I probably would just protest loudly to the officials and then be done with it. Now that I've coached at the high school level and I realize how meaningless the results of a youth football game are (and the truth is, even the results of high school games are meaningless) I believe I'd be willing to blow things up if I saw a situation as bad as the one being described. Maybe there is some keyboard warriorship going on here, I don't know. I just know that I wouldn't want to be involved with a league that allows that kind of behavior and I'd do my part to protect a kid that was being hung out to dry. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 21, 2016 17:43:11 GMT -6
Again, while I agree with your point, I am simply saying I think a little keyboard warriorship going on here. I can easily see the situation proceeding in a manner where the only way the player in question isn't playing is if YOU pull YOUR team and forfeit. If it were many years ago when I was coaching youth sports that my own kids were playing in (12 years old and younger) I probably would just protest loudly to the officials and then be done with it. Now that I've coached at the high school level and I realize how meaningless the results of a youth football game are (and the truth is, even the results of high school games are meaningless) I believe I'd be willing to blow things up if I saw a situation as bad as the one being described. Maybe there is some keyboard warriorship going on here, I don't know. I just know that I wouldn't want to be involved with a league that allows that kind of behavior and I'd do my part to protect a kid that was being hung out to dry. I don't disagree with what you say at all. I just think that in the environment that allowed this situation to happen in the first place, any efforts to try and sit the kid for his safety/well being by the opposing coach are probably going to be taken the wrong way and not much will come of it. |
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Post by coachfowler on Nov 26, 2016 22:23:09 GMT -6
Call the police, CPS, do something to protect that kid
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