pistola
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Post by pistola on Oct 30, 2015 8:34:48 GMT -6
I was just thinking why not just call a no contest? It happens sometimes, more often than a coin flip. They were not region or district games I don't think, so why not call no contest since there was not one. it was a district game
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Post by veerman on Oct 30, 2015 9:24:58 GMT -6
district game that's 150 miles apart? Wow thank goodness I'm not in that area...I'm not thrilled when we have to travel 2-2 1/2 hrs....much less 6 for a district game.....that just sounds stupid....but then again when I look at our country and the people that run it...it all makes since...stupid people are starting to run everything.....can't imagine basketball/baseball traveling 6 hrs during the week to play a district game with school the next day.
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Post by fantom on Oct 30, 2015 9:32:52 GMT -6
Not having to make decisions like this is why I'm glad that I'm an assistant, not a head coach.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 30, 2015 10:02:04 GMT -6
district game that's 150 miles apart? Wow thank goodness I'm not in that area...I'm not thrilled when we have to travel 2-2 1/2 hrs....much less 6 for a district game.....that just sounds stupid....but then again when I look at our country and the people that run it...it all makes since...stupid people are starting to run everything.....can't imagine basketball/baseball traveling 6 hrs during the week to play a district game with school the next day. When you look at our country do you see the size of some of our states? www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Map-What-Texas-looks-like-on-top-of-other-places-6001569.php#photo-7362407mapfrappe.com/?show=34869Variances in city/town population sizes create variances in school population sizes. This is amplified when some regions of a state are densely populated and others are sparsely populated. When there is an area with 1 "large" town in a sparsely populated area filled with "small" schools, large travel distances for league games may result. The alternative is, well ... what exactly? It's not like the governing body just randomly said, "You shall travel 6 hours for no reason"
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Post by olinedude on Oct 30, 2015 10:19:44 GMT -6
district game that's 150 miles apart? Wow thank goodness I'm not in that area...I'm not thrilled when we have to travel 2-2 1/2 hrs....much less 6 for a district game.....that just sounds stupid....but then again when I look at our country and the people that run it...it all makes since...stupid people are starting to run everything.....can't imagine basketball/baseball traveling 6 hrs during the week to play a district game with school the next day. When you look at our country do you see the size of some of our states? www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Map-What-Texas-looks-like-on-top-of-other-places-6001569.php#photo-7362407mapfrappe.com/?show=34869Variances in city/town population sizes create variances in school population sizes. This is amplified when some regions of a state are densely populated and others are sparsely populated. When there is an area with 1 "large" town in a sparsely populated area filled with "small" schools, large travel distances for league games may result. The alternative is, well ... what exactly? It's not like the governing body just randomly said, "You shall travel 6 hours for no reason" Obviously there is a reason to why Ennis got put in that district, but I don't get it. Waxahachie and Red Oak go with Mansfield, and Ennis makes the trip to Lufkin? I know that would make 14-5a INSANE, but still.
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pistola
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Post by pistola on Oct 30, 2015 10:24:38 GMT -6
wait till you start looking at the small school west texas districts.. thats travel
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 30, 2015 10:29:52 GMT -6
Obviously there is a reason to why Ennis got put in that district, but I don't get it. Waxahachie and Red Oak go with Mansfield, and Ennis makes the trip to Lufkin? I know that would make 14-5a INSANE, but still. We don't have to get it nor we will ever get it. i mean, this place is huge. there is no "right way" or "good way" or "best way" to divide this thing up. someone will always "get screwed" and many of us "won't get it" but when faced with alternatives, i don't know. that is a tough job, one i don't want, and we aren't privy to all the details, issues, concerns, etc. the committee has to deal with when dividing things up. one of the reasons they do it every 2 years is to rotate "who gets screwed." lol ... basically, try, the best they can with what they have to work with, to try to make some semblance of reason to such a fluid thing. i've been west and made 180 mile trips for district. i've been in the metroplex suburbs where you maybe drove 20 minutes. i've been rural and been fortunate everyone was within an hour. then had a situation where a school dropped and next thing you know you've got a 160 mile trip for 1 odd-ball team in the district. without having any real "solution" to offer ... i simply avoid the beetching process as i don't want the responsibility of trying to do what uil does with realignment.
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Post by olinedude on Oct 30, 2015 11:25:33 GMT -6
Obviously there is a reason to why Ennis got put in that district, but I don't get it. Waxahachie and Red Oak go with Mansfield, and Ennis makes the trip to Lufkin? I know that would make 14-5a INSANE, but still. We don't have to get it nor we will ever get it. i mean, this place is huge. there is no "right way" or "good way" or "best way" to divide this thing up. someone will always "get screwed" and many of us "won't get it" but when faced with alternatives, i don't know. that is a tough job, one i don't want, and we aren't privy to all the details, issues, concerns, etc. the committee has to deal with when dividing things up. one of the reasons they do it every 2 years is to rotate "who gets screwed." lol ... basically, try, the best they can with what they have to work with, to try to make some semblance of reason to such a fluid thing. i've been west and made 180 mile trips for district. i've been in the metroplex suburbs where you maybe drove 20 minutes. i've been rural and been fortunate everyone was within an hour. then had a situation where a school dropped and next thing you know you've got a 160 mile trip for 1 odd-ball team in the district. without having any real "solution" to offer ... i simply avoid the beetching process as i don't want the responsibility of trying to do what uil does with realignment. I completely agree with you, I wasn't intending to complain. I don't know what goes on at those UIL realignment meetings but I assume it starts with, "well boys, time to do the impossible...again." Some districts are always going to be stacked, others will always be really bad, and some schools will have to travel a lot. I'm sure Ennis wasn't complaining about avoiding that mansfield district cause its a beast regardless of travel. I think the UIL does a good job with the cards they are dealt. In my opinion, they take a look at problems that came up and try to find the best set up for everyone involved. Theres always a few head scratchers, but I don't think there really is a solution. I'd like to see a d1 d2 split in all classifications, but that would create some geographical nightmares. At the end of the day they play the hand they're dealt to the best of their ability, and coaches in turn play the cards they're dealt to the best of their ability.
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Post by veerman on Oct 30, 2015 12:33:49 GMT -6
maybe chop up the state and have east west or north south.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 30, 2015 13:25:59 GMT -6
maybe chop up the state and have east west or north south. That's called "regions" which is being done. However, that simple solution would require there be relatively equal numbers of similarly sized schools in each "region." which, there isn't, hence a team 150 miles away in the "east" must travel to play in a district (league) in the "north". out where they are, the number of schools their size are few and far between. to play in an "east" league they would be playing schools of 500, 600 and then the conversation would be how a school with nearly 2,000 is "beating up on" small schools, etc. at the end of the day, while the modestly-rare "extreme" travel scenario may be a problem for some, it is the only "solution" we have without blowing up the entire structure of our 1,600 public schools football classification system.
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Post by veerman on Oct 30, 2015 20:14:49 GMT -6
Ok thought there was just different classifications state champs. A state that's the size of 3 states combined is okay to have 3 different state champions.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 30, 2015 22:48:39 GMT -6
So I the end how many "state champions" does Texas have? Seems like 60-ish?
Also, I find it cute when Texans think their state is so big, but at the same time I wouldn't want to be involved in that nightmare of a redistributing effort. Sounds like a job for a math grad student. Do people try to gerrymander the process to help their pet school?
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 31, 2015 8:00:03 GMT -6
So I the end how many "state champions" does Texas have? Seems like 60-ish? Also, I find it cute when Texans think their state is so big, but at the same time I wouldn't want to be involved in that nightmare of a redistributing effort. Sounds like a job for a math grad student. Do people try to gerrymander the process to help their pet school? You find me cute? At what point did you think it necessary to the discussion to slide in a little sly jab about texas? was my post about the size of our state deemed by you to be arrogant or sly? i'm trying to convey the fact that in a pocket of a state that is factually larger than the other 48 continental states there isn't a school of similar size within a hundred plus miles of said school, therefore, they must compete in a league that requires them to have more excessive travel. regardless of me being from texas i simply find it in poor taste to add "i find it cute" in such a condescending way. unprofessional and brings no value to the thread. i have not, to my knowledge, added "i find it cute" to any of your posts despite what i may of thought about their content, validity, or value. there is, likely, quite a bit of "cuteness" to some of your ideas - but if i were to point it out it would be unprofessional and serve no purpose other than to make me seem big by knocking you down. i mean, i think many of us would like to say "i find it cute when people with little to no idea of the inner workings of our area try to tell us how we should be doing things"... yet, as professionals, we realize this type of comment would only stir arguments rather than healthy debate. i'll be sure to read more of your posts to see what i find cute.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 31, 2015 8:04:35 GMT -6
Ok thought there was just different classifications state champs. A state that's the size of 3 states combined is okay to have 3 different state champions. this is very complicated. we crown 12 state champions. classes are based on school enrollment. with this school, there isn't enough schools their size in that part of the state for them to be in a league with so they have to travel a rather large distance. it is unfortunate but there is no simple fix. our population is not evenly dispersed throughout the state. we have lots of rural, small towns in that area with a small handful of big schools scattered throughout. in other, metropolitan parts of the state there are literally hundreds of schools of similar sizes. makes for a very complicated situation.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 31, 2015 15:23:49 GMT -6
So I the end how many "state champions" does Texas have? Seems like 60-ish? Also, I find it cute when Texans think their state is so big, but at the same time I wouldn't want to be involved in that nightmare of a redistributing effort. Sounds like a job for a math grad student. Do people try to gerrymander the process to help their pet school? You find me cute? At what point did you think it necessary to the discussion to slide in a little sly jab about texas? was my post about the size of our state deemed by you to be arrogant or sly? i'm trying to convey the fact that in a pocket of a state that is factually larger than the other 48 continental states there isn't a school of similar size within a hundred plus miles of said school, therefore, they must compete in a league that requires them to have more excessive travel. regardless of me being from texas i simply find it in poor taste to add "i find it cute" in such a condescending way. unprofessional and brings no value to the thread. i have not, to my knowledge, added "i find it cute" to any of your posts despite what i may of thought about their content, validity, or value. there is, likely, quite a bit of "cuteness" to some of your ideas - but if i were to point it out it would be unprofessional and serve no purpose other than to make me seem big by knocking you down. i mean, i think many of us would like to say "i find it cute when people with little to no idea of the inner workings of our area try to tell us how we should be doing things"... yet, as professionals, we realize this type of comment would only stir arguments rather than healthy debate. i'll be sure to read more of your posts to see what i find cute. Ok. Whoa, I was just teasing a little because there are five provinces significantly bigger than Texas. I agree that the redistricting is probably a nightmare, because it seems like Texas is full of small towns of varying sizes and its becomes a nigh-impossible task.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 31, 2015 15:59:11 GMT -6
Larger by land size or population? I think there are around 27 million people in Texas. No geography buff, but I was under the impression the largest province in Canada had roughly half that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Again, this issue is about population size, population dispersement, and distance to be traveled for schools with an equitable population size to be matched up.
Utopia, it ain't. Somehow, though, it has survived - in the current form, for the most part, - since the 1950's. Realignment will happen in February. Guess what, a new school will be 'getting screwed' for 2 years then.... Realignment and we begin anew.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 31, 2015 17:05:50 GMT -6
Large by land size, it was in reference to some of the driving distances. It was just a little quip that clearly didn't cross the cultural divide. For example, Quebec is a nightmare because of the way it's structured. There are two cities that dwarf every other municipality and then a never ending expanse of small towns, and then the government arbitrarily decrees some schools as being "sports schools." When I coached at The Zoo, we were 2-5 hrs from EVERY school in our district, but we also played a spring schedule where the leagues were defined geographically, but no school in our spring league had more than 20% of our population, and none had a fraction of our resources. So I have some understanding of Texas' situation, but I can only imagine that the problem is exacerbated because people care probably way too much, which is why I asked a sincere question about whether people ever gerrymander the district lines, because it seems like there's a lot of slop on the equation. Furthermore, I think it would be a really interesting math question to set up a computer to do an algorithm factoring school size, location, historical strength, recent results, and key rivalries to automatically generate the districts on a year to year basis.
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Post by olinedude on Nov 2, 2015 9:52:55 GMT -6
Texas has roughly 1,061 schools playing football with 12 state champions each year, 2 of which are 6-man football.
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Post by paketterman on Nov 2, 2015 12:56:46 GMT -6
Texas has roughly 1,061 schools playing football with 12 state champions each year, 2 of which are 6-man football. And all the TAPPS, TIAIO, TCAL, TCAF and all those other independent types.
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Post by olinedude on Nov 2, 2015 13:09:29 GMT -6
True. Wouldn't want to leave out Deion Sanders' pride and joy home school state championship team haha
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