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Post by Coach.A on Oct 4, 2015 21:36:20 GMT -6
If you were in a situation where you benefited from a team in your league defeating another team in your league (i.e. for playoff seeding purposes), would you offer to share your scouting reports?
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Post by hunhdisciple on Oct 4, 2015 21:43:05 GMT -6
Yes. Without a doubt yes.
Would I share something just to help other teams beat a team I just don't like? Yes.
Would I give every resource I had on a rival to every opponent on their schedule? Yes.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Oct 4, 2015 22:14:13 GMT -6
I've always been torn on this issue. I have no qualms about selling out a team whom I want to lose. My concerns are more about letting the team I am helping get too much insight into my thoughts. I don't want to give them something that they could use against us down the road. For this reason, I hold back a little when offering this type of information.
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jaydub66
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Post by jaydub66 on Oct 5, 2015 0:30:31 GMT -6
It depends what relationship you have with coaches around the league you're in. At my school, my head coach is buddy buddy with a lot of the coaches and they all know and respect each other. I don't think he'd have an issue with it. If I were a head coach, I wouldn't want to do it because I feel something is dirty ball about it, but ethically there is nothing wrong with it, I just think it defeats the spirit of the game some how.
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Post by agap on Oct 5, 2015 0:33:23 GMT -6
I'd share tendencies of the other team and things like that. I wouldn't share our specific gameplan though, especially if we end up playing that team as some point. Then again they can just watch film and figure out our gameplan anyways.
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Post by coachtua on Oct 5, 2015 2:37:19 GMT -6
No. But I have shared stolen, I mean deciphered, signals with another team. They were shared with us and held true, so I waited a quarter to make sure they still held true then shared with another team.
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Post by mikeyg on Oct 6, 2015 9:16:50 GMT -6
Tendencies, big players, scheme, and things to look out for. Those are the only things I share with other coaches. I stay away from giving our game plan tho.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 6, 2015 9:44:46 GMT -6
I don't think I would ever trust another coach that contacted me on this unless he and I were already friends or had a close relationship.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 6, 2015 9:46:18 GMT -6
I've done it. but its watered down.
i retype it, keeping my personal notes off of it. just the blanket facts.
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 7, 2015 8:21:46 GMT -6
The only guys I have ever done anything like this with have been good friends of mine who were at other schools. Usually over a beer, we talk about the offense they run and what adjustments would work well. I think sending out your scouting reports and stuff seems icky.
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Post by morris on Oct 7, 2015 8:47:05 GMT -6
I've done it a bunch. Now I don't share what our game plan is because we run a different system but I might say what our general line of thinking is. I've even went as far as suggestions with other teams but in those cases I am close with the HC.
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Post by fantom on Oct 7, 2015 9:06:01 GMT -6
First of all, unless the coach was a friend of mine, I wouldn't call him. If he called me I'd refer him to our HC. As an assistant, releasing material isn't my prerogative. If he wanted to talk on the phone that's be fine. I'd give him an overview of their offense, key players, maybe a big tendency that I noticed, and might talk about things that we did that worked well or failed spectacularly.
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Post by Cody Gardner on Oct 7, 2015 11:03:53 GMT -6
So what if you have the goods on a team, like a stone cold lock on what they do. But that team is the one you need to beat someone. Do you give it away, do you tell that coach his tell?
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Post by 33coach on Oct 7, 2015 11:36:01 GMT -6
So what if you have the goods on a team, like a stone cold lock on what they do. But that team is the one you need to beat someone. Do you give it away, do you tell that coach his tell? absolutely! the enemy of my enemy.... |
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Post by fantom on Oct 7, 2015 11:45:18 GMT -6
So what if you have the goods on a team, like a stone cold lock on what they do. But that team is the one you need to beat someone. Do you give it away, do you tell that coach his tell? If I have a dead lock on a team who we'll play every year I'm keeping it under my hat. Once I give that info out it's no longer under my control and I have no way of preventing it from getting back to our opponent. Sometimes you have to take the long view. Helping somebody else beat them might help us now but we'll be playing them next year too. |
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Post by Coach.A on Oct 7, 2015 16:27:53 GMT -6
So what if you have the goods on a team, like a stone cold lock on what they do. But that team is the one you need to beat someone. Do you give it away, do you tell that coach his tell? If I have a dead lock on a team who we'll play every year I'm keeping it under my hat. Once I give that info out it's no longer under my control and I have no way of preventing it from getting back to our opponent. Sometimes you have to take the long view. Helping somebody else beat them might help us now but we'll be playing them next year too. Unlikely that a "stone cold lock" game plan will carry over from year to year. Personnel and coaching staffs change every year. |
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Post by coachg125 on Oct 7, 2015 18:30:25 GMT -6
Somewhat related: After Bergen Catholic (NJ) defeated St. Edward (OH), they told the SE coaches on something major they picked up on by watching film.
SE's quarterback's "feet were staggered on passes and they were squared on runs,” St. Edward coach Rick Finotti said to NationalHSFootball.com in 2014. “It was a really classy move for them to let us know so that we could get it rectified."
After the game, SE won its next 10 games including the state championship.
BC head coach Nunzio Campanile noted that their LB coach, Ed Van Curen, noticed it on film and told the rest of the staff that the QB was parallel on passes and offset on runs. Watched for it during pregame drills and it was true. Would then give their guys on defense a heads up throughout the game on what to expect.
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Post by fantom on Oct 7, 2015 18:54:51 GMT -6
If I have a dead lock on a team who we'll play every year I'm keeping it under my hat. Once I give that info out it's no longer under my control and I have no way of preventing it from getting back to our opponent. Sometimes you have to take the long view. Helping somebody else beat them might help us now but we'll be playing them next year too. Unlikely that a "stone cold lock" game plan will carry over from year to year. Personnel and coaching staffs change every year. Personnel does. In good programs coaching staffs don't. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 8, 2015 10:01:17 GMT -6
Send film? Yes. Talk over a beer? Yes. Send scouting reports? No. Coaches got to do their own work.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 8, 2015 10:30:46 GMT -6
Send film? Yes. Talk over a beer? Yes. Send scouting reports? No. Coaches got to do their own work. Agreed. IMO, they need to do the leg work for their own scouting report. |
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Post by 33coach on Oct 8, 2015 10:37:51 GMT -6
Send film? Yes. Talk over a beer? Yes. Send scouting reports? No. Coaches got to do their own work. Agreed. IMO, they need to do the leg work for their own scouting report. in 99% of the situations - id agree. but when i NEED that team to win, im happy to do anything i can to help them. hell id give them some of my players if i could (but this year...that would do more harm then good to any team  )  |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 8, 2015 11:39:05 GMT -6
Agreed. IMO, they need to do the leg work for their own scouting report. in 99% of the situations - id agree. but when i NEED that team to win, im happy to do anything i can to help them. hell id give them some of my players if i could (but this year...that would do more harm then good to any team ) Lol... I s'pose I'd be having several pitchers with the coach in that case. |
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Post by gibbs72 on Oct 25, 2015 21:33:35 GMT -6
I have with the coaches I am buddies with who reciprocate with me
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Post by WingTheT on Oct 26, 2015 7:35:25 GMT -6
We've once sent 6 films before just to help one team out. I'd do ALMOST anything to help my enemies lose lol
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Post by oguru on Dec 5, 2015 23:56:08 GMT -6
One year when I was in college we played a team from Minnesota in the playoffs and one of the teams in their conference sent us every game of theres. We normally only get one or two but we had all ten plus the first round of the playoffs. I know the AFCA code of conduct frowns on stuff like that but it happens all the time.
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Post by DLgaDC on Dec 6, 2015 9:14:07 GMT -6
I'm with a lot of coaches we share a lot of film and we talk about things we see but we don't share scouting reports. They have to earn that massive coaching pay(hahahaha!) somehow!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 9:24:42 GMT -6
From one coach to another, why wouldn't you? I really don't care who the school, rival, non rival is of no bearing to me. It is another chance to build a contact, a bridge.
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