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Post by craines10 on Sept 16, 2015 11:58:55 GMT -6
Was thinking about this the other day. Is it possible to build a program into a champion. Not even a champion but a weekly respected competitor if you have NEVER played in a program that had sustained success nor coached under a HC who led a program that had sustained success?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 12:51:42 GMT -6
Was thinking about this the other day. Is it possible to build a program into a champion. Not even a champion but a weekly respected competitor if you have NEVER played in a program that had sustained success nor coached under a HC who led a program that had sustained success? Yes. |
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 16, 2015 13:13:16 GMT -6
I think what you're getting at is "Can you succeed in creating a successful program if you've never been a part of one?" I think you can, but it would be difficult. Creating a culture is all about holding yourselves to a championship standard. You just have to find out what that standard is. It'll take longer to find out through trial and error, but it's still possible.
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Post by craines10 on Sept 16, 2015 13:49:34 GMT -6
I think what you're getting at is "Can you succeed in creating a successful program if you've never been a part of one?" I think you can, but it would be difficult. Creating a culture is all about holding yourselves to a championship standard. You just have to find out what that standard is. It'll take longer to find out through trial and error, but it's still possible. That is definitely what I meant. I worded it wrong. My entire argument is...if you have never been apart of a program with championship standards how can you do/preach the little things it takes to build a program into one. |
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 16, 2015 14:27:45 GMT -6
I don't think the kids are going to look into your background and say "What do you know, you 0-10 forever loser dummy?!" I think the kids will buy into you if they see that what you're preaching is the same as what you're practicing and that what you're practicing is producing results. I think you can learn those little things by hiring other people who have been through it or being mentored by someone who has. Otherwise, he will learn on the job. There are a bunch of different ways to go about building a championship program. If that's true then somebody had to be the first one to come up with their unique blueprint.
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Post by coachtua on Sept 16, 2015 22:22:58 GMT -6
During the off season talk to coaches you respect that have built a championship program. Most coaches are willing to help if you just ask.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 16, 2015 22:29:55 GMT -6
I think what you're getting at is "Can you succeed in creating a successful program if you've never been a part of one?" I think you can, but it would be difficult. Creating a culture is all about holding yourselves to a championship standard. You just have to find out what that standard is. It'll take longer to find out through trial and error, but it's still possible. That is definitely what I meant. I worded it wrong. My entire argument is...if you have never been apart of a program with championship standards how can you do/preach the little things it takes to build a program into one. It is easy to preach/implement the little things it takes to build a program. I think what you are trying to get at is "Is it as likely for someone who has never been a part of a successful football program to KNOW what it takes to be successful, and how to implement those in the best manner. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 16, 2015 22:35:03 GMT -6
I think what you're getting at is "Can you succeed in creating a successful program if you've never been a part of one?" I think you can, but it would be difficult. Creating a culture is all about holding yourselves to a championship standard. You just have to find out what that standard is. It'll take longer to find out through trial and error, but it's still possible. That is definitely what I meant. I worded it wrong. My entire argument is...if you have never been apart of a program with championship standards how can you do/preach the little things it takes to build a program into one. Do whatever you can to get into a good program and see how they do things. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 18, 2015 11:17:37 GMT -6
Was thinking about this the other day. Is it possible to build a program into a champion. Not even a champion but a weekly respected competitor if you have NEVER played in a program that had sustained success nor coached under a HC who led a program that had sustained success? Is called paying your dues. Hook on with an experienced staff, do the crap work, bide your time, and grow professionally. And spending way too much time on coach huey doesn't hurt either. |
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Post by craines10 on Sept 18, 2015 11:36:34 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying coachwoodall. My thing is say a coach gets hired at a program that is 5-45 the last 5 years. That coach plans to build a "championship program and develop a winning culture" like all coaches do. But that coaches history says other wise...as a player he never played on a team .500 or better, and in 15+ years of coaching no HC he worked under finished .500 or better...So does he actually KNOW what it takes or would he notice the little things needed to be done to turn that program around? |
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Post by joelee on Sept 18, 2015 11:39:32 GMT -6
no he wouldnt
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 12:38:13 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying coachwoodall. My thing is say a coach gets hired at a program that is 5-45 the last 5 years. That coach plans to build a "championship program and develop a winning culture" like all coaches do. But that coaches history says other wise...as a player he never played on a team .500 or better, and in 15+ years of coaching no HC he worked under finished .500 or better...So does he actually KNOW what it takes or would he notice the little things needed to be done to turn that program around? Has nothing to do with playing. That is like saying if you never played you can't possibly know how to coach. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 18, 2015 12:38:09 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying coachwoodall. My thing is say a coach gets hired at a program that is 5-45 the last 5 years. That coach plans to build a "championship program and develop a winning culture" like all coaches do. But that coaches history says other wise...as a player he never played on a team .500 or better, and in 15+ years of coaching no HC he worked under finished .500 or better...So does he actually KNOW what it takes or would he notice the little things needed to be done to turn that program around? No. My last stop was at a school that was very successful. Before that I'd been at a couple of mid-level programs. My first job at the new school was coaching LB's, which I'd done at the old schools. The first day of contact, the very first play in inside drill, they run an iso. The HC, who I'd been friends with forever, gave me an expectant look. When I just looked at him, baffled, he gave me a hand gesture like, "Well?". When I still didn't say anything he jumped all over the LB. The kid had stepped forward and was IN the hole but he didn't ATTACK and FILL the hole. At the places where I'd been, being in the hole would have been good enough. It wasn't here. I learned that I needed to pick up my game and do it in a hurry. Fortunately, I did. If I'd stayed in mediocre programs I might have gone the rest of career fat, dumb, and happy, accepting sloppiness and disorganization because I wouldn't have learned anything better. |
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Post by agame on Sept 18, 2015 13:09:56 GMT -6
Being in a successful programme with successful coaches makes you a better coach ..'why. Because you have to up your game... Most teams that are successful for long periods of time are so for a reason....
I have been on staff with a Hc this year who has been successful for a long long time..
Being around guys like that and the players and coaches it attracts makes for a successful programme
Success breeds success
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Post by morris on Sept 18, 2015 15:42:45 GMT -6
I believe you but can you expand some or give examples? |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 18, 2015 23:03:40 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying coachwoodall. My thing is say a coach gets hired at a program that is 5-45 the last 5 years. That coach plans to build a "championship program and develop a winning culture" like all coaches do. But that coaches history says other wise...as a player he never played on a team .500 or better, and in 15+ years of coaching no HC he worked under finished .500 or better...So does he actually KNOW what it takes or would he notice the little things needed to be done to turn that program around? I'm a perfectionist to the point I won't even try something if I don't know I'll finish it to my level of expectation. When it comes to football, I'll jump off the cliff. Football turns my crank. I live off the fear of failure in the game of football. In your example, you've got losers leading losers. But why would the kids even know the HC grew up in a chytty school program? Do you have an axe to grind? Most HD resumes don't include that. I've been on that staff. I got the hades out of Dodge and looked for another animal to kill. If you're on that staff as HC, you've got to spend a lot of time on your staff, maybe more than your players. Or you've got to fire lot of coaches. Create a culture of greatness; good is the enemy of great. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 4:57:57 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying coachwoodall. My thing is say a coach gets hired at a program that is 5-45 the last 5 years. That coach plans to build a "championship program and develop a winning culture" like all coaches do. But that coaches history says other wise...as a player he never played on a team .500 or better, and in 15+ years of coaching no HC he worked under finished .500 or better...So does he actually KNOW what it takes or would he notice the little things needed to be done to turn that program around? No. My last stop was at a school that was very successful. Before that I'd been at a couple of mid-level programs. My first job at the new school was coaching LB's, which I'd done at the old schools. The first day of contact, the very first play in inside drill, they run an iso. The HC, who I'd been friends with forever, gave me an expectant look. When I just looked at him, baffled, he gave me a hand gesture like, "Well?". When I still didn't say anything he jumped all over the LB. The kid had stepped forward and was IN the hole but he didn't ATTACK and FILL the hole. At the places where I'd been, being in the hole would have been good enough. It wasn't here. I learned that I needed to pick up my game and do it in a hurry. Fortunately, I did. If I'd stayed in mediocre programs I might have gone the rest of career fat, dumb, and happy, accepting sloppiness and disorganization because I wouldn't have learned anything better. Advice for life. |
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