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Post by John Knight on Sept 16, 2015 11:40:51 GMT -6
The hudl thread got me to reliving some of the most frustration and actually fun time of coaching back in the day. I started out as a GA at Salem College working for Terry Bowden. My Saturdays were 24 hour nightmares and I was student teaching at the same time. We had to take 16mm film to the drug store in Clarksburg, 18 miles away then run back and pick it up after over night developed and have it cut up by 8 am sunday! Offense Defens and Special teams. I hated the splicer and after 10 or 12 road pops it was impossible to use it correctly!
also when I started coaching at the HS level we had VHS
I never forget my first assignment ending like this!
Next weeks opponents scored 42 f---ing points and there is only one touchdown on the film???
How is that my fault coach, I just met the dumbass and traded films!!
After a while we decided to fight back! HA
We had a special needs guy that hung around the team and we figured, hell we will let Freddy film for the opponent trade film! It was better than anything we got from our opponents real FILM GUY!!
HAHAHA!!!
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Post by fantom on Sept 16, 2015 12:04:59 GMT -6
We were using 16 mm when I started out. As you said, you hd to take it to the store to get developed but for us the store was a camera shop. Developing film wasn't their primary job so they weren't staying up overnight. We were lucky to get it back Saturday afternoon. Since we only had one copy we couldn't trade until after we'd watched our film. That wasn't all bad because it meant that mostly we had Saturday off.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 17, 2015 1:16:32 GMT -6
Was the Hudl thread deleted? Any specific reason why? I enjoyed hearing people disagree with me.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 17, 2015 1:20:21 GMT -6
Disregard last post... Saw that it was moved
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Post by coachg13 on Sept 17, 2015 6:50:09 GMT -6
Not way back in the day, and anyone in 2A in SC might remember this. 4 years ago - right before HUDL took off all the head coaches went to seeding meeting for playoffs. They all agreed everybody exchanged films. Well a team in our side of the bracket got home they got the tiebreakers wrong and they should be hosting a game instead of traveling 2 hours. It turned into about 20 assistant coaches driving all over the state to get the right films.
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Post by wolverine55 on Sept 17, 2015 8:04:24 GMT -6
As recently as 2005, I had to drive two hours to do a VHS film exchange and missed a Saturday morning pep rally for it. Although, given my feelings on pep rallies, I actually preferred getting that assignment.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 17, 2015 8:45:11 GMT -6
I once got a VHS from a coach that had the first half of his game and the second half of Wrestlemania. We didn't get all their plays from that game charted, but it was pretty cool watching a wrestling match with the boys during film lol.
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 17, 2015 10:06:31 GMT -6
When I first started coaching we did VHS and we would meet to trade and as soon as we got back we would make a copy of it. Then we would give the original back at the game. Since I was the first year guy, I said hey why do we make a copy and then give it back. They are doing the same thing. Why don't we just keep the original and they keep our original? Same amount of vhs to buy. "Because this is the way weve always done it."
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Post by John Knight on Sept 17, 2015 10:13:10 GMT -6
We never gave anyone the original. It was always a copy of our original and another game too. Not 2 different tapes. Quality got really bad as you copied them over too!
Damn near copied over my wedding video one time!
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 17, 2015 10:16:39 GMT -6
We never gave anyone the original. It was always a copy of our original and another game too. Not 2 different tapes. Quality got really bad as you copied them over too! Damn near copied over my wedding video one time! no I meant the original trade copy. We would have a VHS that had original on it and then a "trade copy". We would trade and then copy both games. We could just have quickly given them the copy and let us have theirs. |
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 17, 2015 10:22:29 GMT -6
"Because this is the way we've always done it."
Never a justifiable answer.
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Post by fantom on Sept 17, 2015 10:42:53 GMT -6
Damn near copied over my wedding video one time! Boy, it's a good thing that you didn't. Raymond Barone taped the Super Bowl over his wedding tape and Debra didn't take it well at all. |
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Post by John Knight on Sept 17, 2015 10:57:01 GMT -6
I about died when I saw that episode and my wife was like, man they copied that from you!!!
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Post by bignose on Sept 17, 2015 11:38:52 GMT -6
Film?
You had film to exchange?
I've been at this so long that I remember when nobody exchanged film.
You either sent someone to scout a game on paper or you did without!
We were required by the HC to always have 3 sharpened #2 pencils with us in our scouting packets………I was cocky enough to scout in ink!
Film ran about $250.00 per game for processing and nobody could afford copies.
I have nightmares of scouting in Super 8 and changing spools up in the stands, in the rain, and it wasn't legal to film an opponent unless you got permission. I got real good at hiding a camera under my coat.
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Post by joelee on Sept 17, 2015 11:55:52 GMT -6
When I played, our JV head coach never saw a varsity game I played in. He went to EVERY opponents game to personally schout them. When I was a young pup I was sent on several of those missions myself.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 17, 2015 12:26:19 GMT -6
All of these sound terrible. The worst I ever had to do was input a VHS into the computer for DSV...you had to run the film and then cut it into clips by clicking the mouse in between the plays, it took forever, and to make matters worse my DSV partner couldn't figure out how it was supposed to work so he would always stop paying attention and cut like 5 plays into one clip, or he would see something cool and rewind the tape to watch it again and throw everything off. Even when it went smoothly it was tedious. Probably doesn't sound too bad to the oldtimers but it was a pain, besides back in the old days you guys got to smoke cigarettes and pound beers while you cut up film and nobody cared, plus you had those awesome leisure suits to go out in and those sweet open chested collared shirts...I swear I missed the golden age of this profession.
DSV sucked
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Post by bluboy on Sept 17, 2015 14:25:04 GMT -6
When I first started, we mostly relied on on-site scouting. I would go with an older coach, and he would tell me not to talk (because I was young guy who didn't know squat) and just write down whatever he said. I was the "go-for" who had to make all the film exchange trips. I often had to drive all over kingdom come to trade films with a guy at a gas station, supermarket parking lot, diner, or even a mile marker on a road.
I must be getting soft because now I get bent out of shape if the other team doesn't complete a HUDL exchange by 8 AM the day after a game.
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Post by mdunham on Sept 17, 2015 16:15:25 GMT -6
As a young 20-something, reading these stories are awesome! Such a respect for how things were done in the past and great to read from the experienced coaches!
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 17, 2015 18:03:54 GMT -6
I used to have to drive 2 hours to South Boston from Amherst every Saturday. We always had 2 cans of film. 1st half and second half. we would be able to weigh the cans in our palms to tell how much film we had to break down. we hated heavy cans but we DREADED the little third reel we got from time to time. (for you youngsters, a heavy can meant there was a lot of film in there that had to get broken down) BTW recruiting was a nightmare because a coach would only let you have 1 can of film and you had to return it quick . you didn't want to be THAT coach that hoarded film or you would never get it again
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 17, 2015 18:04:55 GMT -6
I used to have to drive 2 hours to South Boston from Amherst every Saturday. We always had 2 cans of film. 1st half and second half. we would be able to weigh the cans in our palms to tell how much film we had to break down. we hated heavy cans but we DREADED the little third reel we got from time to time. (for you youngsters, a heavy can meant there was a lot of film in there that had to get broken down) BTW recruiting was a nightmare because a coach would only let you have 1 can of film and you had to return it quick . you didn't want to be THAT coach that hoarded film or you would never get it again
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Post by hanagin on Sept 18, 2015 6:41:29 GMT -6
As the newbie, I was doing VHS film exchange when I started. It wasn't so bad having to drive all over for the tapes. We always made copies in the locker room while blowing off steam after the game, then I'd exchange the next morning, and take the tapes to the DC. He'd take them to the HC/OC once he was done. The HC kept them all week, he'd pack them on game day and then he'd meet the opposing coach before the game and trade back.
One game, the kids are all warming up. The HC comes over to me and starts blowing up about where the tapes are, cussing me out and telling me it's always been my job to pack them and exchange them. It being midseason, I know this is't the case, but he's the boss, so I have to take it. So, he tells me to go find them--he thinks his wife must have them. So, I run off the field, to my car, then drive to his house, which is way outside of town on a little lake. Go to the door, ask his wife, and she gets mad, saying she doesn't have them and tells me to go to the school. So, I have to drive back to to town, past the game field, through the whole town, and then out to the HS. I go in and the tapes are on his desk. I hustle back to the game, but by now it's already started. I put the tapes on the bench, and run to the box to get on the phones. I'm in such a hurry I trip on the final step into the box and yell "F*ck this!" to the whole box, which included the superintendent and the principal. Not a good day. He never even thanked me for finding the film he left on his own desk.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 18, 2015 6:56:15 GMT -6
Wow- 16mm film...I remember watching "reel-to-reel" in elementary schools...guess I'm not as old as I feel  Hudl has been awesome- When I first started coaching everything was VHS. In college those things got overnighted, high school we used to have to drive and meet 1/2 way- in VA those trips could be 2hrs for each team. It sucked the big one for sure... But creating highlights/cutups was the worst- 2VCR system- play, rewind, pause, record, play, record, pause OVER AND OVER! Daggum head hurts just thinking about it again! |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 18, 2015 7:50:36 GMT -6
Even though exchanging film was a pain in the butt, I always thought it was kind of cool to meet some of the assistants from other programs (as long as they were on time and not dbags).
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Post by freezeoption on Sept 19, 2015 9:23:21 GMT -6
i started out as a scout for the high school where i was going to college, i was in a theories class and they said would anyone want to scout, i said i would, i met the hs coach he gave me where i was to go and 20 bucks for gas and food, i took a girl that i was dating with me and she gave me numbers of players and so on, dropped off the stuff Saturday and talked with the coach, they didn't win a game that year, i took it personal that my scout stuff wasn't good enough, next year did the same thing but also coached throughout the week, they gave me a ga to help me that year, went much better,
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Post by dytmook on Sept 20, 2015 16:48:49 GMT -6
Pretty much started out scouting with my brother. Had a good time, often got a few bucks to eat from the head coach. We would exchange DVDs with the other coach at the game. Went to some bad football games though. Saw some funny things though.
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Post by newhope on Sept 21, 2015 10:18:05 GMT -6
Back in the day, you could drive to the capital city and wait for your 16mm film to be developed, or you could take it to the bus station and send it over, and then pick it back up at the bus station on Saturday. Those within an hour usually drove over, the rest used the bus.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 21, 2015 10:40:24 GMT -6
Yep. back in the 70s my high school coaches could be seen hanging around at schmitts dairy bar waiting on the greyhound bus to stop across the street at the Marathon Oil/Bus stop. My high school coach in 76 switched to super 8 film. Pretty sure many colleges wouldn't even look at our films.
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