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Post by newt21 on Sept 6, 2015 8:31:06 GMT -6
did not read every post, but here is my .02 on it. every year i get approached by a few girls who jokingly ask what would happen if they wanted to come out for football. every year i tell them that the best kids play and that if they want to come out they're welcome to, all players are treated equally. the next question is have i ever had a girl play for me, the answer is yes. she started at running back and defensive back for me, and it wasn't because we didn't have bodies. best kids play, bad kids sit, it's that simple. if you fear for her health then you speak to her and her parents. if they still don't oppose, who are you say they can't play. yet again, if she earns PT, she will get PT. if she doesn't, she doesn't. i had a conversation with a boy and his mother this year because i was concerned about his safety and they both said "he plays". all players sign waivers. if she sticks it out, then she sticks it out the same way any male does, if she doesn't then she now knows that she's not a football player.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 6, 2015 10:15:27 GMT -6
did not read every post, but here is my .02 on it. every year i get approached by a few girls who jokingly ask what would happen if they wanted to come out for football. every year i tell them that the best kids play and that if they want to come out they're welcome to, all players are treated equally. the next question is have i ever had a girl play for me, the answer is yes. she started at running back and defensive back for me, and it wasn't because we didn't have bodies. best kids play, bad kids sit, it's that simple. if you fear for her health then you speak to her and her parents. if they still don't oppose, who are you say they can't play. yet again, if she earns PT, she will get PT. if she doesn't, she doesn't. i had a conversation with a boy and his mother this year because i was concerned about his safety and they both said "he plays". all players sign waivers. if she sticks it out, then she sticks it out the same way any male does, if she doesn't then she now knows that she's not a football player. The one cautionary note I will add to this though is that YOU are the "expert" when it comes to football, not the parents. So when discussing safety issues, it isn't just about PT, it is about safety regarding contact/activities at practice. In our hyper-litigious society, should something happen to that player who you met with about "safety", you could be held liable, PARTICULARLY if you had established you knew he/she was not able to protect themselves (as evidenced by the parent meeting) Just because the parents say "he plays" or "she plays" (in the original posters situation) that would not free the coaching staff from liability if the player was injured in contact at practice. Basically, just because "he/she" plays, doesn't mean that you can treat them like anyone else regarding contact in practice.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 6, 2015 16:27:02 GMT -6
We had a girl say she was coming out this year. Showed up to weights on leg day never came back. That being said, many boys have done the same thing. I know some of the coaches were worried about it, but we weren't going to say no, we haven't stopped bigger distractions from playing.I know there was a little relief not having to worry about some of the silly questions. Although with as low as our numbers are this year I would take anyone tough enough to make it through two a days.
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Post by airraider on Sept 6, 2015 17:55:52 GMT -6
From experience... the first 2 things you do not do...
1. Do not put her at center.. especially as scout team center when one of your coaches has to take the under center snap... for that matter, you really do not want her playing center no matter who is taking the snap..
2. When passing out jerseys for the spring scrimmage... please make sure your coaches are aware enough not to hand the only girl on the team jersey #69... accident or on purpose... that just looks bad...
Girl in question did play the entire spring and played 3rd string NG... We played a smaller team's first team with our 3rd team and she completely beat the crap out of their center... I am good friends with their coach, and he ended up quitting after that game because the rest of the team would not let him live it down. True story.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 6, 2015 18:15:37 GMT -6
Coach.A - I think you are expending a lot of time on a very minor issue. I'm sure that you have coached other inexperienced players in the past who were weak, small, slow and really had no business playing football. Where you as stressed in those situations as you are in this one? Have you spoken with her parents? The other coaches? Your supervisors? Are they as concerned as you are? You have to let it play itself out. Either she sticks it out or she quits. If she stays on the team, you evaluate her like you would any other offensive lineman. The other thing I was thinking as I read through this thread is that I am actually a little envious of you. You are in a position to do something really special for a kid. You have this kid who wants to be a football player but she has all these obstacles, the least of which is her gender. Rather than finding a way to exclude her, how about trying to find a way to make it work? The thing is, it really won't take much on your end...you just do what you have been doing for years. On the other hand, it will be something this girl will remember for the rest of her life. Any time you can make a connection with a kid...I think those are the moments that make teaching and coaching so fulfilling.
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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2015 13:14:12 GMT -6
From experience... the first 2 things you do not do... 1. Do not put her at center.. especially as scout team center when one of your coaches has to take the under center snap... for that matter, you really do not want her playing center no matter who is taking the snap.. 2. When passing out jerseys for the spring scrimmage... please make sure your coaches are aware enough not to hand the only girl on the team jersey #69... accident or on purpose... that just looks bad... Girl in question did play the entire spring and played 3rd string NG... We played a smaller team's first team with our 3rd team and she completely beat the crap out of their center... I am good friends with their coach, and he ended up quitting after that game because the rest of the team would not let him live it down. True story. Minchia Air, you had to learn that from experience?
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Post by newhope on Sept 9, 2015 10:04:19 GMT -6
I'm not going to cut her. We've never had a player who just kicked...plus she knows she's not a kicker. We do not two platoon...we ask every player to learn an offensive and defensive position. I had her on the line because it is the only position that remotely fits her skill set. That might not be the best decision though. It's great that many of you have coached girls in the past...but have any of you coached a female who played on the line at the varsity level? I know it's been done...I think I read that Holley Mangold was the only female to ever play on the line at the varsity level in Ohio. This girl is nowhere near Mangold's size or level of athleticism though. Like I said earlier, she'd be at the bottom of the depth chart on the freshman team. why does she have to be on the line? If she can't play a lick and you're afraid for her safety, why not put her at receiver? What does it matter if she can't catch or run--we all put kids out there who can't do either so they don't get hurt or hurt somebody else. Put her in with the game over and run the other way if you think her lack of blocking endangers another kid. Good kids who work hard deserve to be rewarded.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 9, 2015 10:21:50 GMT -6
We always took those kids and made snappers out of them. If you are a gun team. no problem! LOL!!!
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Post by silkyice on Sept 9, 2015 13:13:49 GMT -6
My daughter had an interception yesterday and then Mossed someone for TD reception. Now she is 12 and playing peewee and is their best athlete.
But I am not going to let her play JV or varsity football. The guys just get too big and physical then. It would not actually surprise me if she could be a second string or decent WR for a small average high school team when she was a senior.
But no matter how good an athlete she turns out to be, and she has a chance of being a good one (scored 21 in girls varsity bball game this summer), there is no way she could help a strong team or really defend herself against any of our LB's or DB's.
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Post by rosey65 on Sept 10, 2015 8:21:47 GMT -6
We've faced this once in 8 years. The HC was very straight forward, let her know the expectations were the same for her as they were for everyone else. So, first day of pads, she went through an "Oklahoma-drill" type of drill...just like everyone else. She was in 11th grade, was on varsity, so she faced one of our starting LB's...just like everyone else. To her credit, she didn't shy away, but she got ROCKED...just like everyone else. She calmly turned her stuff in after practice, said it isn't her game. We thanked here for coming out. She was a manager for us the next 2 years.
A few kids made comments to the LB, but we nipped that quickly. "Y'all laughed when (__insert team whipping boy___) got rocked, this isn't any different."
Let her get (or NOT get) her reps at practice, just like the worst boy on your team. Let her get beat up, just like you let the boy. She might end up surprising you, just like the boy.
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