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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 10:53:57 GMT -6
I am all for girls coming out, but not without some protection for the coaches, the school system, or the game of football.
that statement... i just really hope im taking it out of context, but....wow If we do not start doing something other than changing the fundamentals of football, we will have no football, and ultimately no athletics. Not ding something that is easily defended against is suicide. A female dying on your practice field or a game Is a mere matter of time at the current rate. You think blocking and tackling is under assault now? Let the female die in a collision and her parents cry she was coerced.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 4, 2015 10:55:06 GMT -6
In every other sport there is boys sport and girls sport, why doesn't it just say boys football. www.ohsaa.org/sports/default.aspGirls are allowed to Wrestle too? Makes no sense that in the two contact sports gender doesn't matter but in non contact, even golf it does. Makes no sense to me!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 10:57:11 GMT -6
Just so you understand, there I nothing better than girl embarrassing a boy in any athletic eventin my book. Talk about free motivation to both sides. I would love to have female in my group.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 4, 2015 11:00:09 GMT -6
that statement... i just really hope im taking it out of context, but....wow If we do not start doing something other than changing the fundamentals of football, we will have no football, and ultimately no athletics. Not ding something that is easily defended against is suicide. A female dying on your practice field or a game Is a mere matter of time at the current rate. You think blocking and tackling is under assault now? Let the female die in a collision and her parents cry she was coerced. wow, i cant believe that someone who spends their time teaching kids a sport would think that way. you are acting like this kid is going to die just from being out there, are you crazy? - or are you just so blinded by your ideas that "only men can play football - men are tough..yadayadayadada" - hell half my teams nuts havnt dropped and are scared of contact - do we count them as men? i think its debatable. this is a KID WHO WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 11:09:45 GMT -6
If we do not start doing something other than changing the fundamentals of football, we will have no football, and ultimately no athletics. Not ding something that is easily defended against is suicide. A female dying on your practice field or a game Is a mere matter of time at the current rate. You think blocking and tackling is under assault now? Let the female die in a collision and her parents cry she was coerced. wow, i cant believe that someone who spends their time teaching kids a sport would think that way. you are acting like this kid is going to die just from being out there, are you crazy? - or are you just so blinded by your ideas that "only men can play football - men are tough..yadayadayadada" - hell half my teams nuts havnt dropped and are scared of contact - do we count them as men? i think its debatable. this is a KID WHO WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL I can't seemingly drive this home. I would like every child BOY and GIRL to play FOOTBALL! I really don't care who plays. On the other to act like the game of football is not under serious attack is naive at best, dare I say close minded.
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 11:10:24 GMT -6
In every other sport there is boys sport and girls sport, why doesn't it just say boys football. www.ohsaa.org/sports/default.aspGirls are allowed to Wrestle too? Makes no sense that in the two contact sports gender doesn't matter but in non contact, even golf it does. Makes no sense to me! It took time for many sports to have their own team/league for females.
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 11:15:04 GMT -6
wow, i cant believe that someone who spends their time teaching kids a sport would think that way. you are acting like this kid is going to die just from being out there, are you crazy? - or are you just so blinded by your ideas that "only men can play football - men are tough..yadayadayadada" - hell half my teams nuts havnt dropped and are scared of contact - do we count them as men? i think its debatable. this is a KID WHO WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL I can't seemingly drive this home. I would like every child BOY and GIRL to play FOOTBALL! I really don't care who plays. On the other to act like the game of football is not under serious attack is naive at best, dare I say close minded. The point is you only seem worried about this issue because it's a girl playing football but there are many more boys playing football who have no business being on the field for the same concerns you have about this girl. Where is your thread (maybe I missed it) talking about safety of boys playing football who aren't cut out for football?
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Post by 33coach on Sept 4, 2015 11:21:08 GMT -6
I can't seemingly drive this home. I would like every child BOY and GIRL to play FOOTBALL! I really don't care who plays. On the other to act like the game of football is not under serious attack is naive at best, dare I say close minded. The point is you only seem worried about this issue because it's a girl playing football but there are many more boys playing football who have no business being on the field for the same concerns you have about this girl. Where is your thread (maybe I missed it) talking about safety of boys playing football who aren't cut out for football? thats exactly my point. this is the phrase that really sets me off A female dying on your practice field or a game Is a mere matter of time at the current rate. You think blocking and tackling is under assault now? Let the female die in a collision and her parents cry she was coerced.
there are like 40 things wrong with this, but ill start with the basics: -- its not a "female" its a kid - this is a freaking kid we are talking about - a kid who wants to experience the amazing game of football -- ANY kid dying on a practice field or game is beyond anything i ever want to think about and if you replaced "female" with "boy" in your phrase, you probably would have never said it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 11:21:27 GMT -6
Everybody should sign a waiver, not limited to girls!
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 11:28:42 GMT -6
Everybody should sign a waiver, not limited to girls! What would be the purpose for your waiver? What would it include?
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Post by 33coach on Sept 4, 2015 11:30:54 GMT -6
Everybody should sign a waiver, not limited to girls! we make parents sign a hold harmless agreement....but thats a legal document that basicly says we are not liable for any non-negligence injury
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 11:38:32 GMT -6
Everybody should sign a waiver, not limited to girls! we make parents sign a hold harmless agreement....but thats a legal document that basicly says we are not liable for any non-negligence injury Better said... You are protecting yourself, your league and the game of football. I think that is more than reasonable boy or girl.
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 11:38:49 GMT -6
That parents and student alike acknowledge the risk involved in playing tackle football. And consent by paren and student/athlete to participation. How would that protect football? Waiver is meant to protect for non-negligence and most teams have parents sign these things as part of their insurance anyway.
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 11:41:59 GMT -6
we make parents sign a hold harmless agreement....but thats a legal document that basicly says we are not liable for any non-negligence injury Better said... You are protecting yourself, your league and the game of football. I think that is more than reasonable boy or girl. What to know what will protect the game of football? Getting rid of coaches who think that the game doesn't need to change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 11:45:54 GMT -6
Maybe the coaches who think the game is to dangerous, should stop violating their conscience and stop participating.
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 11:49:44 GMT -6
Maybe the coaches who think the game is to dangerous, should stop violating their conscience and stop participating. Or coaches adapt to find ways that make the game safer while maintaining a competitive balance. Adapt or die, the cornerstone of evolution The forward pass was an adaption used to make the game safer. You should be thankful for changes to the game or you wouldn't have a game
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 11:52:16 GMT -6
Maybe the coaches who think the game is to dangerous, should stop violating their conscience and stop participating. Or coaches adapt to find ways that make the game safer while maintaining a competitive balance. Adapt or die, the cornerstone of evolution All I need to know about you is in that statement. We will agree to disagree. Good luck.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 4, 2015 12:15:55 GMT -6
If we do not start doing something other than changing the fundamentals of football, we will have no football, and ultimately no athletics. Not ding something that is easily defended against is suicide. A female dying on your practice field or a game Is a mere matter of time at the current rate. You think blocking and tackling is under assault now? Let the female die in a collision and her parents cry she was coerced. wow, i cant believe that someone who spends their time teaching kids a sport would think that way. you are acting like this kid is going to die just from being out there, are you crazy? - or are you just so blinded by your ideas that "only men can play football - men are tough..yadayadayadada" - hell half my teams nuts havnt dropped and are scared of contact - do we count them as men? i think its debatable. this is a KID WHO WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL Your penis makes you invincible to football death. Having a vagina ensures it.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 4, 2015 12:22:08 GMT -6
wow, i cant believe that someone who spends their time teaching kids a sport would think that way. you are acting like this kid is going to die just from being out there, are you crazy? - or are you just so blinded by your ideas that "only men can play football - men are tough..yadayadayadada" - hell half my teams nuts havnt dropped and are scared of contact - do we count them as men? i think its debatable. this is a KID WHO WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL Your penis makes you invincible to football death. Having a vagina ensures it. what if you have both? are you a football zombie?
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Post by Coach.A on Sept 4, 2015 12:48:28 GMT -6
I'm not going to cut her. We've never had a player who just kicked...plus she knows she's not a kicker. We do not two platoon...we ask every player to learn an offensive and defensive position. I had her on the line because it is the only position that remotely fits her skill set. That might not be the best decision though. It's great that many of you have coached girls in the past...but have any of you coached a female who played on the line at the varsity level? I know it's been done...I think I read that Holley Mangold was the only female to ever play on the line at the varsity level in Ohio. This girl is nowhere near Mangold's size or level of athleticism though. Like I said earlier, she'd be at the bottom of the depth chart on the freshman team. I have. Girl was smaller than yours and played guard for us. Never saw playing time in a non running clock game, but she was in there every day doing the drills. Wasn't a big deal. She is far from the worst athlete I've ever had play line and she was bad. Frankly, you just sound like you're trying to justify being a sexist dick. Not my intention to come across that way. I want to emphasize again that I have great respect for this student athlete and I admire her courage and effort. That being said, she is the least talented player on our team...there's no way to sugar coat this, I'm just being honest. I don't think it's fair to call me sexist for stating that fact. The reality is that if this was a male athlete I would have been more blunt and upfront about how he will probably see very limited playing time if any at all. I would also inform him that the vast majority of his team reps would be with the scout team. I would probably discuss the team manager position as an option as well....I HAVE already had that EXACT conversation with male players in the past who lacked athleticism. But, because this is a female athlete, I was more cautious and delayed this conversation and I have already given her more team reps that I should...to the point that it has compromised reps for our starters. Basically, I've been proceeding with extreme caution because I know this can be a sensitive issue...I felt like I was tiptoeing. Some would argue that THAT is being sexist. I'll admit that I snapped to judgement when I considered cutting her in my first post...that was a mistake. I think it was some post practice frustration coming out. I got some great guidance from our AD about how to handle the issue. I had an honest conversation with the female athlete today about playing time and practice reps. She took it very well and I actually hope she sticks it out. I realize this is a touchy subject...I didn't mean to stir the pot with this thread.
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Post by mdunham on Sept 4, 2015 13:08:10 GMT -6
I don't want to hijack the thread but question to those who have coached girls: are your game day operations any different? Or I guess better phrased, how have coaches handled the locker room situation (pre game, halftime, post game)?
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 4, 2015 13:11:02 GMT -6
They change in the girls locker room and then meet up with us. Same on game days. If one of them needs to use the bathroom when we go in at halftime, she uses the coaches' bathroom. After the game, she goes back to change in the girls lockers.
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Post by dubber on Sept 4, 2015 13:38:01 GMT -6
She's earned the right to get her @$$ kicked just like the rest of them.
What grade level is she?
Agree with this, BUT it is also my responsibility to not put her in a situation where her safety is compromised. I'd guess she's 5'6, 165 pounds. Can't do a push up, ran a 7 second forty. Blonde or Brunette?
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 13:57:56 GMT -6
Agree with this, BUT it is also my responsibility to not put her in a situation where her safety is compromised. I'd guess she's 5'6, 165 pounds. Can't do a push up, ran a 7 second forty. Blonde or Brunette? Why can't she be a redhead? Do you discriminate against redheads or something?
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Post by 33coach on Sept 4, 2015 14:09:57 GMT -6
Why can't she be a redhead? Do you discriminate against redheads or something? doesnt everyone?
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Post by mdunham on Sept 4, 2015 14:21:23 GMT -6
They change in the girls locker room and then meet up with us. Same on game days. If one of them needs to use the bathroom when we go in at halftime, she uses the coaches' bathroom. After the game, she goes back to change in the girls lockers. Now what if (and this is the case in the city I live in), that the stadium doesn't have girls vs. boy lockers per se, there are just two "locker rooms" (rows of hooks on a wall with benches, no lockers, sink and toilet). And they are just home / away rooms. No coaches' rooms. Literally an old stadium with two rooms located below stands. Officials go into like the boiler room or something random like that. Boy's and girl's teams use those two rooms just depending on event as it is a city stadium used by two high schools. Would said athlete just get ready in the ladies restroom facilities? Has there ever been any issue with girl in the locker room when the boys need to take care of business?
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Post by brophy on Sept 4, 2015 14:31:44 GMT -6
I realize this is a touchy subject...I didn't mean to stir the pot with this thread. out of curiosity, how does the rest of your staff feel about her? At the end of the day, you're the only one that knows this girl and its easy for us to give you a view from our limited perspective. You may be stressing about this more than is necessary. If she can hack the first 3 days of hitting, she'll probably stick it out. That said, if kids only went out for FOOTBALL just because they might get a chance to start, we'd all be hurting. A lot of kids come out for such a large team sport because its great to be part of a team. Would you handle this different if this was a retarded boy? I get the limited physical capacity, but you never know until you know.....some teenage girls can be beasts (seen some wrestler girls just whup ass on the mat).
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Post by blb on Sept 4, 2015 14:46:45 GMT -6
I'm not going to cut her. We've never had a player who just kicked...plus she knows she's not a kicker. We do not two platoon...we ask every player to learn an offensive and defensive position. I had her on the line because it is the only position that remotely fits her skill set. That might not be the best decision though. It's great that many of you have coached girls in the past...but have any of you coached a female who played on the line at the varsity level? I know it's been done...I think I read that Holley Mangold was the only female to ever play on the line at the varsity level in Ohio. This girl is nowhere near Mangold's size or level of athleticism though. Like I said earlier, she'd be at the bottom of the depth chart on the freshman team. I have. Girl was smaller than yours and played guard for us. Never saw playing time in a non running clock game, but she was in there every day doing the drills. Wasn't a big deal. She is far from the worst athlete I've ever had play line and she was bad. Frankly, you just sound like you're trying to justify being a sexist dick.
larrymoe is baaaaccckkkk!!
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 4, 2015 20:58:54 GMT -6
They change in the girls locker room and then meet up with us. Same on game days. If one of them needs to use the bathroom when we go in at halftime, she uses the coaches' bathroom. After the game, she goes back to change in the girls lockers. Now what if (and this is the case in the city I live in), that the stadium doesn't have girls vs. boy lockers per se, there are just two "locker rooms" (rows of hooks on a wall with benches, no lockers, sink and toilet). And they are just home / away rooms. No coaches' rooms. Literally an old stadium with two rooms located below stands. Officials go into like the boiler room or something random like that. Boy's and girl's teams use those two rooms just depending on event as it is a city stadium used by two high schools. Would said athlete just get ready in the ladies restroom facilities? Has there ever been any issue with girl in the locker room when the boys need to take care of business? Can't speak on that, coach. I'm near San Francisco. Always been in bigger cities. Sorry.
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 6, 2015 6:01:05 GMT -6
Why can't she be a redhead? Do you discriminate against redheads or something? doesnt everyone? Only the stupid people.
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