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Post by blb on Dec 10, 2006 11:30:55 GMT -6
I know about the $$ end of college athletics, and I have no problem with guys getting their families security for the rest of their lives. And I know that loyalty is just a name on a shirt and is generally one-way.
BUT...does anybody else have a problem with Dennis Erickson (who has had more jobs than anybody I can think of at the moment) leaving Idaho after only one year, when they essentially saved him from the coaching ash heap?
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Post by wildcat on Dec 10, 2006 11:54:47 GMT -6
blb -
I agree with you. I have never been a big Erickson fan, but what he did to Idaho reallys shows his true colors. I guess what it comes down to is "caveat emptor". I feel badly for the kids and athletic department staff at Idaho, but they HAD to know that what they were getting a year ago was an unrepentent mercenary who has absolutely no sense of loyalty and is completely devoid of any integrity.
Furthermore, what the heck has Erickson done in the last 10 years to warrant a fairly high profile D-IA team giving him a job? I know he had one or two good years at Oregon State, but, c'mon...he completely failed in the NFL and won what, 4 games this year at Idaho?
I think that Erickson's best days as a coach are behind him.
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Post by 50Murf on Dec 10, 2006 14:44:59 GMT -6
Ditto Wildcat....
I also think that (IMO) the guy is a snake and he is an example of what is wrong with College Football. I also agree that his best days are behind him...far behind.
What is the over/under on the first major scandal he has at ASU???
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Post by saintrad on Dec 10, 2006 15:04:15 GMT -6
the only reason he did well at Oregon State was due to the recruiting classes Mike Riley brought in before he got there.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 10, 2006 19:41:30 GMT -6
rumor has to who may be taking over for o'brien at BC....
BC reportedly to interview Steelers assistant WhipplePittsburgh Steelers quarterback coach Mark Whipple is set to interview with officals from Boston College on Sunday for the head coaching position. According to a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette report, the Steelers have granted Boston College permission to talk to Whipple.
link - ESPN.com |
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 11, 2006 13:18:55 GMT -6
Erickson's abrupt departure brings anger to IdahoDennis Erickson informed his players of his plans to leave Idaho at a team meeting Sunday before he boarded a private jet to Phoenix for the official announcement that he would become head coach at Arizona State, and the players' reactions were mostly indifferent -- until he left the room. "We've all been through it before," junior running back Jayson Bird told The Spokesman-Review of Spokane, Wash., "so we just stood there and it was kind of dull when he [Erickson] talked. "He said, 'it's all about you guys, not who is coaching you.' Damn right, I guess. Nobody really got fired up until after he left." After Erickson left the room, senior-to-be linebacker David Vobora "got up and said, 'it is about us, not them,' so it's kind of the theme," Bird said. "It doesn't really matter who the coaches are -- well, it does -- but we're the reason they have jobs," he added. "If they're going to do that and play the politics game, its going to be hard for us to trust our next coach because we've been [messed with] a couple of times, so it's hard to deal with." "There was some tension in the air," said quarterback Brian Nooy, one of the few players who were brought to Moscow by Erickson after the coach arrived following the signing deadline last year. "There was a lot of disappointment throughout the team because everybody was excited about what we have next year and what we could do. It's one of those deals where we have to put it behind us and look forward."
link -- ESPN.com
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Post by blb on Dec 11, 2006 15:13:51 GMT -6
Is this a coincidence?
Syracuse hires a young hotshot assistant from USC to be AD. After less than a year on the job he jettisons Paul Pasqualoni, class guy and winning coach. Program immediately goes into dumper (one Big East win in two years) .
Arizona State hires young hotshot from USC to be AD. Shortly after being hired, she cuts loose a winning football coach, hires a guy who has only won with somebody else's recruits (Jimmy Johnson and Mike Riley's), left a trail of NCAA violations in his wake, and whose average stay in a job is about an hour and a half.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 11, 2006 17:33:51 GMT -6
Personally, I think Erickson is a self absorbed piece of work.... He comes into Idaho talking about retiring there, bringing the program to prominence, etc, etc..... Then he pulls this crap; how do you think the parents feel anout this situation. The players, boosters and program were nothing more than a stepping stone for this guy.
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Post by poweriguy on Dec 12, 2006 12:22:02 GMT -6
Class act.......</sarcasm>
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Post by ocinaz on Dec 12, 2006 12:26:03 GMT -6
They are touting Erickson as a proven winner here...They have talked about his track record good and bad, saying that he will be able to recruit and win in the PAC 10 consistantly..It will be interesting to see what he can do. ASU is in a great area, Tempe, Arizona is amazing. The area around ASU is great. Weather, atmosphere, etc. ASU COULD be a sleeping giant, but they need the right HC in charge, IMO, don't think Erickson is the guy, his best years are behind him...Too much baggage for me....
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Post by saintrad on Dec 12, 2006 12:43:52 GMT -6
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Erickson's big move draws plenty of brickbats
By Bob Clark
The Register-Guard
Published: Tuesday, December 12, 2006
It was hard to tell whether Dennis Erickson got it worse coming or going as he fled Idaho for Arizona State, his third Pac-10 coaching job.
From Howie Stalwick, who writes for several newspapers in Washington and Idaho: "If a man is only as good as his word, Erickson is a sad, pathetic man. As an added bonus, one has to wonder if Erickson should also be known as a loser in another sense, since his last three teams and four of his last five teams have posted losing records.
"This isn't the first time Erickson has quit a coaching job after one year ... but this one reeks the worst ... this time Erickson quit a job because he's just flat-out gutless. Rebuilding the Vandals would have been his greatest accomplishment, but it also would have been his toughest job."
Oh, come on.
Who really thought Erickson went to Idaho for the long term? One year might have been shorter than normal, but this is a coach always looking for a better spot to land.
In the past 21 years, Erickson has been head coach of nine different teams - counting Idaho twice - and that includes being out of football for 2005. His four seasons at Oregon State was double his norm.
He coaches well, finds success, and moves on. Except a couple of times when he tried it in the NFL, and was fired by the Seahawks and 49ers.
Now he's at ASU, where his home games will be in the same stadium as perhaps his greatest college triumph, the 2001 Fiesta Bowl rout of Notre Dame.
Yep, welcome back to Tempe.
"Hiring a coach with two national championships should feel better than this," Paola Boivin opined in the Arizona Republic. "His coaching record definitely has that `wow factor' but so does his off-the-field record.
"Does that mean this is a bad hire? No, just a risky one."
From academics to personal fouls to behavior, Erickson does have some smudges on his record. But he wins. And still the media wonder.
"This could not have been the splash they were hoping to make after firing Dirk Koetter," commented Dan Bickley of the Arizona Republic. "Whether he was to blame or not, he left quite a mess at Miami. He tried the NFL twice. And Erickson just bailed on his Idaho homecoming one year after the school threw him a lifeline, when his career options were few.
"So, will he win and can he do it without the scent and stains of trouble? And does he still have any magic left? A guy I know worked the sidelines during Erickson's stint with the 49ers and said he was a little past his prime ..."
He'll win with ASU. The 2007 schedule opens with nonleague home games against San Jose State, Colorado and San Diego State, which is 3-0 heading into the Pac-10.
Only one other thing: ASU wasn't ready to release his contract in announcing his hiring Monday. It's worth wondering, however, how big is the buyout clause?
The players' view
The Sun Devils should like playing for Erickson. It's an exciting style, and not much is asked beyond results on the field.
"I think you have to come in with an open mind and let him teach us, and hopefully we can do the same thing he did at Miami," ASU quarterback Rudy Carpenter said.
Players at Idaho were obviously disappointed. The next head coach hired there will be the fourth in five seasons for the Vandals.
"You can be disappointed or you can be stronger," Idaho linebacker and Churchill High grad David Vobora told a reporter. "We've gone through everything, and it's made us stronger."
Vobora still spoke well of Erickson, and led a meeting of players after Erickson told the Vandals of his departure.
"It doesn't matter who the coaches are or what the game plans are," Vobora said. "We've got the guys here to be successful."
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 13, 2006 13:35:58 GMT -6
good perspective ....
Money talks, coaches walk
But don't blame them for seeking a better dealI don't feel at all bad for Idaho Athletic Director Rob Spear, and neither should anyone. Did he honestly believe Dennis Erickson was going to stick around and fulfill his contract? Did the players? Did the fans? Arizona State will be Erickson's ninth head-coaching job in 21 years. His leaving Idaho, which he led to a 4-8 mark this year (not overly impressive until you remember that's the most games the Vandals have won since going 5-6 in 2000), should shock no one. Thing is, this really isn't even just about Erickson. It's about college football. It's about coaches who are bigger than schools. It's about players who either foolishly believe their coaches care or simply can't face reality. No one can rationally get mad at Erickson or any other coach who leaves abruptly for a better job offer. That's how the system works. West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez just leveraged Alabama's six-year, $12 million offer into the Mountaineers' nearly doubling his 2006 salary of close to $1.1 million. Look around your office -- or wherever it is you work -- and imagine that a better and significantly more nationally recognized company just called you and offered two or three times your current salary and a lush benefits package. Not only that, you know that if you do well in this new job you could soon land an even sweeter gig. More money. More prestige. Who wouldn't do that? It's not like football coaches are the only positions in America with huge, six- and seven-figure buyouts. Look at how corporations are run. This isn't a new concept. And on the flip side of it, coaches can be fired on a whim, unceremoniously dumped after boosters get tired of them, or if a new A.D. wants to bring in a new coach, or if they have a bad couple of seasons, or for a litany of other reasons. Why shouldn't these guys earn as much money as they can while they still can? Why shouldn't they move to bigger schools that have shots at conference and possibly national titles? Don't hate the coach. Hate the game.
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Post by knighter on Dec 13, 2006 15:31:29 GMT -6
I agree with you Huey. I see this as a "promotion" and who is not going to accept a promotion???
Loyalty to one place is good, BUT if you were making 50,000 at one job, and to do the same exact job for 65,000 somewhere else became available would you not leave (or consider leaving)?
I have been loyal to GH for 7 years, but if the right one comes open for me to make more money I am a FOOL if I do not leave.
Let's see Idaho or Arizona hmmmmmmm tough call.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 13, 2006 15:50:44 GMT -6
also, what is a 'good' job for one coach, may not be all that enticing for another coach. many factors go into a decision to move on. i am reaching that crossroads of "move way out there" for a decent position OR "stay near the family" for what's left.
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