jlew74
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Post by jlew74 on Jul 24, 2015 23:14:15 GMT -6
Coaches
Recently purchased 110 Revo speed helmets last year and our Riddell rep says we don't need to recondition since the helmets are so new. Does anyone have any experience cleaning and removing scratches from helmets to get them looking nice and ready for next month?
What will we need? I've heard as simple as rubbing alcohol and a towel all the way to steel wool, enamel, and putty.
Thanks!!!
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 25, 2015 1:17:36 GMT -6
Rubbing alcohol or acetone works pretty well for removing scuffs and swapped paint. You might even get a buffing wheel and some compound on them to shine them up.
I have to admit I find it weird that you don't have to have them professionally reconditioned and recertified. Everywhere I have ever coached we had to do this yearly regardless of the age of the helmet. I would honestly be a little bit nervous about taking on the liability of not using newly certified helmets.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jul 25, 2015 4:49:00 GMT -6
Rubbing alcohol or acetone works pretty well for removing scuffs and swapped paint. You might even get a buffing wheel and some compound on them to shine them up. I have to admit I find it weird that you don't have to have them professionally reconditioned and recertified. Everywhere I have ever coached we had to do this yearly regardless of the age of the helmet. I would honestly be a little bit nervous about taking on the liability of not using newly certified helmets. I'm pretty sure the rule is every two years but if you are buying a few new helmets every year it's impossible to know what's what after a year. Might as well get them all done.
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 25, 2015 6:16:02 GMT -6
I always thought it was every year, but after doing a ton of searching all I could find was this article link with a statement that says all states have adopted an every 2 years protocol. However, I live in Ohio and could not find anywhere a statement saying that. I would make sure, for liability concerns, that I had them professionally done every 2 years just to CYA.
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Post by freezeoption on Jul 25, 2015 7:45:11 GMT -6
its every two years, I rotate, I do jr high one summer, then high school next summer, I use a magic eraser, that is about it
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Post by blb on Jul 25, 2015 8:02:38 GMT -6
Our Riddell rep came in after each season, went through entire inventory (gave me written copy), took the helmets that needed reconditioning.
When they came back the recertification sticker had the year on it.
I don't think you need to recondition EVERY helmet every two years, but some may need it every year depending on use.
Only hard and fast policy is they won't recertify any helmet after ten years.
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jlew74
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Post by jlew74 on Jul 25, 2015 8:37:58 GMT -6
Our rep basically said it would make more sense to get all of them reconditioned next year instead of 30 or 40 this year and then the rest next year.
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Post by wheels1284 on Jul 25, 2015 9:48:14 GMT -6
We send them in every year even if they are not worn. I want to make sure everyone has a sticker on the back that says the current year. CYA
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 25, 2015 10:07:03 GMT -6
Might be a state by state thing
But here I've always been told helmets have to be re certified every year
Shoulder pads every two
If they've been worn before and you just clean them up without them getting re certified it could be a huge liability for you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:27:59 GMT -6
I know it costs some money, but we re-certify every year, both for overall safety and a little bit of CYA (cover your a$$).
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 25, 2015 21:48:23 GMT -6
i will add that reconditioning is paid for by our school district
it is the only money they contribute to football, but it is the norm, because 10k now for reconditioning, is a lot better than a lawsuit for the school district if a player used an unsafe helmet
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Post by newhope on Jul 25, 2015 21:59:04 GMT -6
Rules are often at 2 years. However, I would keep by behind covered and get them reconditioned. If something happens, you can bet a lawyer is going to point out that most schools do it every year---and I'll bet that Riddell rep will claim he never said such a thing....unless, of course, he wants to become a part of the lawsuit and lose his job as well.
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jlew74
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Post by jlew74 on Jul 25, 2015 22:09:52 GMT -6
It's not in our budget to recertify every helmet this year and our rep didn't throughly go through every one, just glanced at them.
We just need to clean them up and get them looking right
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Post by vanden48 on Jan 25, 2016 15:08:04 GMT -6
I am running into a major fight this year at my new school with this. When I coached in California, it is the law that every school get every helmet reconditioned every year. As far as I know that is the only state that has it as a law. This was the only part of football that was paid for by the district. Everything else we had to fundraise for. When I coached in AZ it was not a law but every school reconditioned every helmet every year, and the districts paid for it.
Now I am coaching in North Dakota and the culture in this state is to have 25% of your helmet stock reconditioned every year. This means helmets get reconditioned about once every 4 years. So some players actually play in the same helmet from their freshmen to their senior year, with out having it reconditioned. I thought this was horrible and wanted to have all of our helmets reconditioned, the administration thinks I am insane. I am going to compromise with them and recondition half of my stock this year and the other half next year. They want any less than that and I won't coach. With the amount of negative attention that has been in the news about concussions, you would think all schools would not have a problem with this bill.
But to answer the question about cleaning them. Dip them in a tub of water and disinfectant (Bleach) to clean the inside. And I use Goo be Gone and a buffing pad on my drill to polish the outsides.
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Post by coachg13 on Jan 25, 2016 18:00:19 GMT -6
There are several schools/districts that have lost lawsuits for head injuries occurring with helmets that were reconditioned every-other year. We do ours every year just to cover our asses.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Jan 26, 2016 0:19:29 GMT -6
I am running into a major fight this year at my new school with this. When I coached in California, it is the law that every school get every helmet reconditioned every year. As far as I know that is the only state that has it as a law. This was the only part of football that was paid for by the district. Everything else we had to fundraise for. When I coached in AZ it was not a law but every school reconditioned every helmet every year, and the districts paid for it. Now I am coaching in North Dakota and the culture in this state is to have 25% of your helmet stock reconditioned every year. This means helmets get reconditioned about once every 4 years. So some players actually play in the same helmet from their freshmen to their senior year, with out having it reconditioned. I thought this was horrible and wanted to have all of our helmets reconditioned, the administration thinks I am insane. I am going to compromise with them and recondition half of my stock this year and the other half next year. They want any less than that and I won't coach. With the amount of negative attention that has been in the news about concussions, you would think all schools would not have a problem with this bill. But to answer the question about cleaning them. Dip them in a tub of water and disinfectant (Bleach) to clean the inside. And I use Goo be Gone and a buffing pad on my drill to polish the outsides. This ^ is insane, why would a school do that How many helmets will they let you buy per year? It is recommended every 2 years, hs Helmet will last 10, junior high spec helmet only 7 We try and send off any helmet that was used in. We also go through at the end of the season and inspect every helmet even before he reconditioning guys get there and throw a few out dated and some that just don't seem up to snuff.
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Post by jmg999 on Jan 26, 2016 4:20:04 GMT -6
You can see how Ridell does it here:
If you can get your hands on a small buffer and sander, you can probably do it yourself.
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Post by vanden48 on Jan 26, 2016 12:58:42 GMT -6
This ^ is insane, why would a school do that How many helmets will they let you buy per year? It is recommended every 2 years, hs Helmet will last 10, junior high spec helmet only 7 We try and send off any helmet that was used in. We also go through at the end of the season and inspect every helmet even before he reconditioning guys get there and throw a few out dated and some that just don't seem up to snuff. After year one I am purchasing 6 new helmets. Now we only have about 35-40 players in grades 9-12 in the program, so that is not bad. We also have our Junior high team that has 7th and 8th graders. When I got here they were putting these kids in any adult helmet that wasn't used by the high school. I thought this was about as dumb as it gets and I raised money to purchase 25 youth helmets. I am just curious as to what the other states have as their reconditioning requirements. I find it funny that there are rules and regulations for how many stripes I can have on my away jerseys, but there is nothing written down about the quality of the equipment that the players must have.
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Post by 60zgo on Jan 28, 2016 0:08:40 GMT -6
If you want to keep your reconditioning bill lower and your helmet supply "fresh" sell the seniors their helmets.
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Post by louism on Oct 17, 2016 8:26:37 GMT -6
I am running into a major fight this year at my new school with this. When I coached in California, it is the law that every school get every helmet reconditioned every year. As far as I know that is the only state that has it as a law. This was the only part of football that was paid for by the district. Everything else we had to fundraise for. When I coached in AZ it was not a law but every school reconditioned every helmet every year, and the districts paid for it. Now I am coaching in North Dakota and the culture in this state is to have 25% of your helmet stock reconditioned every year. This means helmets get reconditioned about once every 4 years. So some players actually play in the same helmet from their freshmen to their senior year, with out having it reconditioned. I thought this was horrible and wanted to have all of our helmets reconditioned, the administration thinks I am insane. I am going to compromise with them and recondition half of my stock this year and the other half next year. They want any less than that and I won't coach. With the amount of negative attention that has been in the news about concussions, you would think all schools would not have a problem with this bill. But to answer the question about cleaning them. Dip them in a tub of water and disinfectant (Bleach) to clean the inside. And I use Goo be Gone and a buffing pad on my drill to polish the outsides. Please recite the laws you are referring to. You may be misreading the code. Education code 17581 states the all equipment must be nocsae certified. No reference to how often they need to be recertified. Education code 17579 states that all equipment must be cleaned and sterilized once a year. The code does not mention "Reconditioning" the way you define it here.
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Post by tabs52 on Oct 22, 2016 5:21:19 GMT -6
We get ours done every year, just with the whole concussion issue, better be safe then sorry in my opinion. Plus, I don't know if it is the paint job on our helmets but by the end of the year the look crap, paint chipped off etc....
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Post by ylspecial on Oct 24, 2016 11:10:53 GMT -6
As far as I know, the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment (http://nocsae.org) sets the reconditioning guideline nationwide. They require helmets to be re-certified every other year. I do not think this is well known because: A. most reps want your money from reconditioning B. everyone is so afraid of concussions and lawsuits they do not want to take on that potential liability or PR nightmare
I have only ever had a Riddell rep tell the truth regarding the re-certifying guidelines. Our rep comes in at the end of every season, goes through every helmet, and will take out 10-15 helmets (typically that were not used or will expire at the end of the next season) from the piles of helmets to be sent off. In all honesty, those would be the last 10-15 helmets I would give out because of CYA.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 24, 2016 11:36:07 GMT -6
Coaches Recently purchased 110 Revo speed helmets last year and our Riddell rep says we don't need to recondition since the helmets are so new. Does anyone have any experience cleaning and removing scratches from helmets to get them looking nice and ready for next month? What will we need? I've heard as simple as rubbing alcohol and a towel all the way to steel wool, enamel, and putty. Thanks!!! get a professional to to do it. dont risk voiding the warrantee by doing something stupid.
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Post by tabs52 on Oct 24, 2016 17:46:32 GMT -6
The other item of concern if a helmet is not up standards the will fail, even if it is new. We recondition all our equipment through All American: Helmets, Shoulder pads, Shoes, everything
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 24, 2016 23:03:47 GMT -6
Coaches Recently purchased 110 Revo speed helmets last year and our Riddell rep says we don't need to recondition since the helmets are so new. Does anyone have any experience cleaning and removing scratches from helmets to get them looking nice and ready for next month? What will we need? I've heard as simple as rubbing alcohol and a towel all the way to steel wool, enamel, and putty. Thanks!!! It's only every 2 years on recon, but that doesn't mean u can't send them off for repainting and a good cleaning. I would not use more than soap and water and a towel if u were going to "diy" it
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 24, 2016 23:10:32 GMT -6
I didn't realize this thread was from last year! Ha
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