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Post by airraider on Jan 1, 2008 10:04:58 GMT -6
How does this match-up favor the discussion of the spread giving a team with lesser talent a chance?
Everyone I talk to says there is no way that Hawaii wins, but something tells me they just might have a chance..
Now, here is the other side of the coin.. although the R&S might give them a chance to hang with them offensively.. will the lack of talent be too much for their defense to overcome?
Will the offense have to score 50 to win??
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Post by coachnichols on Jan 1, 2008 10:31:34 GMT -6
I know Hawaii hasn't played anyone really good this year, and I know Georgia finished the season playing really well...but...
I think Hawaii has a chance to win. I say that because we've all seen teams who shouldn't have a chance win. Last year's Boise State team shouldn't have won, but they did. Offensively they can score, their defense will play hard and is good, and the entire team will play out of their heads tonight.
If I was a betting man, I don't know who I would pick, but I think Hawaii does have a chance. Play great on defense, do what they've done all year on offense, win on special teams, and don't get the QB hurt...they have a chance.
Either way, it should be a great game to watch!!
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 1, 2008 10:37:07 GMT -6
I had a friend call me yesterday.
He could not believe the Air Force offense and what they were doing to Cal. He said Cal could not stop the spread option to save their life. He said that I should stop whatever I was doing and watch the game.
I told him to "relax" because Cal's superior athletes would overcome the 21-0 deficit. The speed of the option would eventually slow down and the Bears would start attacking. He's from Colorado Springs. He said I was crazy.
Not sure what happened, because I didn't stop to watch but didn't Cal comeback and win?
The Boise State vs. Oklahoma game was one for the ages last year. "CAN" Hawaii do the same thing to Georgia. I say, "why not?"
Do I believe it? "probably not."
I watched the UofW Huskies (a sorry program this year) almost beat Hawaii (in Honolulu!) ONLY because of a few superior athletes.
I think Georgia has a few more Jimmy's and Joe's on their roster than our NW version of the "Dawgs.
Georgia 38 - Hawaii 21 (and all 21 will be in the 1st half)
Any other predictions just for the fun of it?
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Post by Yash on Jan 1, 2008 11:07:49 GMT -6
I think that Hawaii can by all means beat georgia. They have the size up front to not get pushed around and their offense and those fast recievers can keep them in the game. Like all games, you have to avoid turnovers and have a few bounce your way. But they can win that game.
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Post by coachdearborn on Jan 1, 2008 11:34:25 GMT -6
Yes, they have a chance. All that "any given ________" (substitute in whatever day you play, or whatever day the bowl game is played on) stuff, BUT they will have to score 45+ pts, have something magical happen on special teams, +3 or more turnover ratio.
Prediction: Georgia 38 - 24
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jan 1, 2008 11:40:49 GMT -6
UH has a chance. UGA has not seen this type offense. Cal struggled and went down early to AF due to Cals studs being benched. As soon as the studs entered the game the slaughter was on. UH needs to jump on the Buhdawgs early. UH has not played a SEC schedule but neither has UGA faced an offense near this type so who knows...I still take UGA but why not lay a couple bills on the Islanders and see what happens?
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Post by airraider on Jan 1, 2008 11:58:13 GMT -6
Im going to say...
Hawaii 46
Georgia 42
Just for fun..
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Post by coachcb on Jan 1, 2008 12:27:56 GMT -6
Personally, I think this game comes down to Hawaii's pass protection. They have never faced the kind of size and speed present on an SEC front 7. Hawaii doesn't present the same kind of option threat as other shotgun option teams (AF, WVa, etc..); Georgia is going to be able to pin their ears back and pressure Brennan.
If Hawaii can protect Brennan and allow him to develop a rhythm, then Hawaii has a chance. If not, then I see Hawaii suffering through a lot of 3-'n-outs and turnovers. They're going to have to score a chunk of points if they want to hang with Georgia. Regardless of how well the offense plays; Hawaii's defense is going to be on the field A LOT (just the name of the game with the spread). I don't see Hawaii's defense matching up with any SEC offense.
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Post by trojan on Jan 1, 2008 12:29:12 GMT -6
I haven't followed Hawaii very closely. Has anyone on their schedule shut them down offensively? If so, what happened?
I can't predict what will or should happen, but I'd like to see an undefeated team prove itself against a quality opponent.
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Post by airraider on Jan 1, 2008 12:40:25 GMT -6
They got to a slow start vs Washington.. just looked off.. but still ended up scoring 35..
only scored 28 vs Nevada..
Their defense has hurt them at times this year.. such was the case vs La Tech.. which they ended winning in overtime 45-44..
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Post by theprez98 on Jan 1, 2008 13:07:20 GMT -6
Just remember, nobody gave Boise State a chance last year against Big Game Bob Stoops and Oklahoma.
This year, of any, proves that anything can happen.
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Post by djwesp on Jan 1, 2008 13:27:41 GMT -6
Not sure what happened, because I didn't stop to watch but didn't Cal comeback and win? Well, it had nothing to do with "Cal's superior athletes" and EVERYTHING to do with a devastating injury. |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 1, 2008 13:38:29 GMT -6
Personally, I think this game comes down to Hawaii's pass protection. They have never faced the kind of size and speed present on an SEC front 7. Hawaii doesn't present the same kind of option threat as other shotgun option teams (AF, WVa, etc..); Georgia is going to be able to pin their ears back and pressure Brennan.If Hawaii can protect Brennan and allow him to develop a rhythm, then Hawaii has a chance. If not, then I see Hawaii suffering through a lot of 3-'n-outs and turnovers. They're going to have to score a chunk of points if they want to hang with Georgia. Regardless of how well the offense plays; Hawaii's defense is going to be on the field A LOT (just the name of the game with the spread). I don't see Hawaii's defense matching up with any SEC offense. I wouldn't say Georgia will be able to pin their ears back because Hawaii runs the shovel pass and several screens to counteract not really having a running game. These plays should slow the pass rush down. |
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 1, 2008 13:44:46 GMT -6
djwesp
like I said, I didn't see the game but I'm sure Cal's better athletes made some plays to aid in their comeback. Sorry to hear about AF's QB.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 1, 2008 14:45:24 GMT -6
Personally, I think this game comes down to Hawaii's pass protection. They have never faced the kind of size and speed present on an SEC front 7. Hawaii doesn't present the same kind of option threat as other shotgun option teams (AF, WVa, etc..); Georgia is going to be able to pin their ears back and pressure Brennan.If Hawaii can protect Brennan and allow him to develop a rhythm, then Hawaii has a chance. If not, then I see Hawaii suffering through a lot of 3-'n-outs and turnovers. They're going to have to score a chunk of points if they want to hang with Georgia. Regardless of how well the offense plays; Hawaii's defense is going to be on the field A LOT (just the name of the game with the spread). I don't see Hawaii's defense matching up with any SEC offense. I wouldn't say Georgia will be able to pin their ears back because Hawaii runs the shovel pass and several screens to counteract not really having a running game. These plays should slow the pass rush down. You're right; they will use those plays to slow the pass rush down. However; those aren't the kinds of plays that you can base an entire offensive game plan on. Don't get me wrong, they are a valuable offensive asset to any team; but they are complimentary. One thing to also think about; Georgia's front four are standard SEC defensive lineman; big, fast athletic guys. I don't think Georgia's going to have a problem getting pressure with just the down lineman. The front four will be able to pin their ears back; regardless of the shovel passes and screens. Screens and shovel passes may be effective in limiting a teams ability to stunt and bring LBs. But, if they're getting pressure with four defensive lineman, they can run screens and shovel passes all they want. There will LBs and force players in zones ready to snuff them out. |
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Post by cjamerson on Jan 1, 2008 20:35:35 GMT -6
Right now, it looks like they are mismatched. They can't stop the run. When you can't stop the run, it's gonna be a long night!
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Post by airraider on Jan 1, 2008 21:18:42 GMT -6
Yea this game was over after the first series...
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 1, 2008 21:23:21 GMT -6
when you can totally disrupt the pass protection, pressure the qb, collaspe the pocket, and get sacks WITHOUT blitzing and only using 3 or 4 defenders ..... well .... the offense ain't gonna be able to do a whole lot.
speed of georgia defense - specifically the defensive front - is too much for hawaii's offense right now. their ablitity to drop 7 and 8 into coverage AND pressure the QB is making it next to impossible to move the ball.
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 1, 2008 21:26:29 GMT -6
I love hawaii, but they have no buisness playing georgia. barring a total collapse, Georgia is going to clean the floor with hawaii. I never thought Hawaii had a chance, but is there any positives they can build on, go into half time and come out fired up or is this over? |
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Post by goldenbear76 on Jan 1, 2008 21:36:49 GMT -6
I know this isn't Hawaii's M.O. , but they've had good success running because Georgia is only bringing 3, 4 or 5. I think they should should run a wee bit more, to help their offensive line. Right now the Georgia defensive front is simply pinning their ears back.
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Post by kkennedy on Jan 1, 2008 21:39:29 GMT -6
I love hawaii, but they have no buisness playing georgia. barring a total collapse, Georgia is going to clean the floor with hawaii. I never thought Hawaii had a chance, but is there any positives they can build on, go into half time and come out fired up or is this over? They had a pretty nice comeback against Washington but unfortunately this AIN'T Washington. Defense is getting too much pressure with 3 and 4 and the offense is just too big and physical for Hawaii's defense. I guess the best positive is that they will recieve a BCS bowl payout and they desperately NEED that money for the program. |
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Post by amikell on Jan 1, 2008 21:40:22 GMT -6
i agree w/ bear. UH has to run. the screens aren't doing them much good. they could also try throwing the ball downfield a bit more, but I don't think they really have time. they seemed to be doing a better job against UGA's running game toward the end of the 2nd.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 1, 2008 21:47:00 GMT -6
boise state vs georgia? from 2005?
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 1, 2008 21:58:25 GMT -6
I agree about the running game. They ran a nice little counter/DE trap play once or twice that had some big lanes. GA is lining their DEs up really wide to make sure UH can't double team them and then just beating the tackles one on one every play. You could argue they'd have more success protecting with the old half-roll.
But the front is being whipped. I don't know how good the secondary is they are hanging deep it seems (horrible TV views) and the LBs and inside DL have done a great job snuffing out the screens etc.
As noted, of course, even if UH begins moving the ball UGA has run it at will. Good blocking and broken tackles too. So it will be tough to (a) stop them and (b) have enough time to come back.
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Post by amikell on Jan 1, 2008 22:00:49 GMT -6
on a coaching/player development note...June Jones seems to recruit some pretty rough kids to his program. (Colt Brennan) They seem to be young men that have made bad decisions and have learned from their mistakes. A few questions about this for anyone who is familiar with UH and June Jones.
1. how does Jones make sure those kids aren't liabilities? What does he do to "keep them on the right track"?
2. Does he target kids that are "good kids" but have made bad decisions? how does he know which ones are really diamonds in the rough?
If I am completely off base, please correct.
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Post by poweriguy on Jan 1, 2008 22:12:56 GMT -6
Well when you are at a mid major, you don't get 4 or five star recruits. Where as the big boys have plenty of them on the bench, let alone starters.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 1, 2008 22:24:42 GMT -6
Ouch, Big Kids on little kids. That's gotta hurt. (The hit on Colt and the subsequent TD). I really was hoping that UH would have won this one.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2008 22:29:01 GMT -6
How does this match-up favor the discussion of the spread giving a team with lesser talent a chance? Not very favorably if you are one who believes in it I suggest you never listen to that something again. A single touchdown would be nice at this point. ALL in good fun...hope 2008 is a great one for you Northern guys (anything north of Alexandria is northern) who defile football with excessive forward passes  |
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 1, 2008 22:30:37 GMT -6
on a coaching/player development note...June Jones seems to recruit some pretty rough kids to his program. (Colt Brennan) They seem to be young men that have made bad decisions and have learned from their mistakes. A few questions about this for anyone who is familiar with UH and June Jones. 1. how does Jones make sure those kids aren't liabilities? What does he do to "keep them on the right track"? 2. Does he target kids that are "good kids" but have made bad decisions? how does he know which ones are really diamonds in the rough? If I am completely off base, please correct. I had some top D-1 coaches tell me a few years back that the difference between the really top schools and the next wave is not the raw talent of the athletes recruited but the talent + character/eligibility. One of the more unbelievable stories I heard was one of UH's receivers got his scholarship from UH because he sent a tape of himself playing in a flag football league in jail/detention (don't know if juvenile or normal). I know some of those top Washington St teams Mike Price coached took some second chance guys; WVU took a chance on Noel Devine with his academic issues that (probably) scared off some of the others'; and Louisville under John L Smith and Petrino had success with some big-school cast-offs (successfully Montrell Jones who was released from Tennessee, Willie Williams was a big name recruit released from Miami but who was also released from Louisville). It's kind of the name of the game. I'm sure airman would say that this is evidence that we should end the charade of athletics/academics, but that's a discussion for another day. In any event, but Jones has done a good job keeping them out of trouble at his program. Someone more knowledgably would have to tell you how. Anyway on this game UH is outmanned and their tackles are being destroyed play after play. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2008 22:34:11 GMT -6
regarding UH and the second chances---Strictly in MY view...I could see where taking those guys, and putting them on an island might really help out. The smaller closed environment could benefit them. Just posing a thought.
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