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bigm0073
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Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 14:56:53 GMT -6

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Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 14:56:53 GMT -6

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I posted on here about my situation. So here you go

Got a 6'5" 245 lb rising TE that has DIA Offers.. He can play TE.. Also we go open and we are in 20 personnel (He ran 4.9 and both UVA and VA Techs one day). He also knows H back on our offense.. Can be off the line and move guy.. Power, Counter, IZ insert (Ohio state) and can flex out wide and match up against small corners. As a freshmen last year he was a all conference power forward.. Good ball skills and body control.

Have another TE/H Back Hybrid guy... 6'2" 218 lbs.. 4.8 forty guy.. Has D2 offers as TE.. Last year as a WR was all conference.. 35 catches 7 TDs.. good athlete.. Big and long. We use him as TE/H/Z... When he is the Z we can still motion him and use him as an H Back in 21 personnel.. He can insert IZ, Power kick out and counter.. etc... So we could look like 11 personnel with the 245 lbs at TE but his kid can motion and be an H.. or just WR.. He is also our BIG TB/RB in short yardage...

3rd Player... Dynamic.. Almost offered at UVA and Tech.. He is a RISING FRESHMEN.. Has not been in high school but is dynamic.. 14.. 5'10" 170 lbs.. Legit low 4.6 and high 4.5 at camps.. He is smooth, fast, cuts... real deal.. explosive. Tech and UVA just want to see his film this fall but will have offers. We use him at TB but also X WR, Z WR and Slot.. Really smart and knows all of them... Jet sweeps, Catches the ball well and runs fades and post routes... but is multiple

4th player 5'11' 190.. fast.. explosive.. slot, rb, wr.. knows all of the wr positions but can run IZ/Power/counter/power... can be a slot, X, Z and tb.. knows them all

5th player... Strictly Wr.. know X and Z

so here you go.. How do you call plays.. I have three guys that could be RB.. 2 of them could be TE.. two could be H back... I could be in 21 personnel
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not rotate my personnel.. keep all 5 on the field... My question is how to label this or how to call it in a game... with this group I can be in 21 personnel with a traditional H Back, TE.. etc.. Or 11 with TE.. 3 wide and TB.. or 20 with 3 wide.. H Back and TB.. or 10 ... We could be in 10 personnel but make our Z the move guy (220 lbs) and still be able to run IZ insert, OZ, Power, Counter... Just looking at ideas on how to call this stuff...

have another slot guy who won the 55 meters in the winter in VA, won 200 meters this spring 21.4 and also was 2nd in state in 100 meters 10.6... He is a slot, jet sweep guy... He is strictly a Slot, TB.. Just looking at simplifying this group in play calling, packaging.

19holmes Sophomore Member Posts: 171	Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 15:24:25 GMT -6 via mobile lochness, coachklee, and 2 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by 19holmes on Jul 10, 2015 15:24:25 GMT -6 Can I come work for you?

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Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 15:46:05 GMT -6 via the ProBoards App coachklee likes this

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Post by lions23 on Jul 10, 2015 15:46:05 GMT -6

You could use the big TE at the wing. He can still motion. He can still block down or kick or insert on power counter scheme. In trips (wing) he is a big crosser on 4 beers and he can pin and bounce for sprint out. Both easy ways to get him the ball and run behind him.

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at other TE was all conference you might think about him at X. Try to force double teams on him and lighten the box. You can throw him slip screens as an easy way to get the ball. You can sprint out and run comebacks and studders to him. If you want to get heavy you close him and run behind him and the other TE.

I'd play one of the more RB speed kids in the slots to get net sweeps. Could also throw them bubbles behind the Big WR which also gives you a chance to throw bubble/go to the big WR.

I wouldn't imagine you need to get real cute. That's a lot of athletes to cover. You need to have a good run game with those schemes paired with some screens that forces people on D to make choices. If they want to load the box screen and compliment the screens with block and go combos. If they want to double cover you run the hell out of it with your back.

Just sell your kids that no one will have the big week every week. They will have to take turns based on what D gives you.

19holmes
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Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 16:08:36 GMT -6 via mobile coachklee likes this

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Post by 19holmes on Jul 10, 2015 16:08:36 GMT -6

Still create personel groups but instead of calling them 10, 11, 21 ect. Give them each names and have a group of plays for each grouping.

So one personel might be called flash, where both your fast guys are in the slot and have a set of plays to take advantage of their speed

Another might be called jumbo, where both your te's are in the box.

The posibilities are endless. Could get confusing, so maybe just try to add 1 or 2 new groupings each week

joker31 Junior Member Posts: 258	Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 16:17:46 GMT -6 coachklee likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by joker31 on Jul 10, 2015 16:17:46 GMT -6 If I were you I'd shift and motion a lot. I love what Boise State used to do with their guys.

coachcreighton
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Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 16:29:40 GMT -6 via Tapatalk coachklee likes this

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Not to change the topic, but now that Harsin has taken over as HC, Boise State's offense last year was very reminiscent of what they did with Zabransky and Ian Johnson in 2006... Tons of shifting and motioning when they didn't go uptempo. Some of the new offensive fads were thrown in there too. Regardless, BSU's identity has always been simplicity within multiplicity and they've gotten back to that after a horrible two years under Robert Prince as OC.

bigm0073 Senior Member Posts: 1,697	Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 18:06:43 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 18:06:43 GMT -6 Like the idea of names... So if I want to be in 21 personnel might say base.. 11 personnel one name 12 personnel one name etc.. Maybe animals, pro teams.. something like that

bigm0073 Senior Member Posts: 1,697	Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 18:16:28 GMT -6 lochness likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 18:16:28 GMT -6 That Boise state shifting is great stuff.. Perfect for my personnel... Really like incorporating that as well...

Chris Clement Executive Member Posts: 10,463	Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 19:52:27 GMT -6 via the ProBoards App Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Chris Clement on Jul 10, 2015 19:52:27 GMT -6 Who's the QB?

bigm0073 Senior Member Posts: 1,697	Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 20:05:27 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 20:05:27 GMT -6 For Boise state or us? our qb is 6 3 180 lbs junior who threw for over 1600 yds and 64 percent last year.. Thrower type.. Dropback..4.9 guy but not a real zone read type.

coachwoodall Executive Member Posts: 6,104	Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 20:15:38 GMT -6 paketterman likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by coachwoodall on Jul 10, 2015 20:15:38 GMT -6 Maybe play some of those guys on defense so you don't have to out score everybody?
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poundtherock1
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Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 20:20:47 GMT -6

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Post by poundtherock1 on Jul 10, 2015 20:20:47 GMT -6

Go watch N.C State clips on youtube. They're tight about giving out film, but those are the kind of kids they recruit. Shift similarly to Boise State. Coach Uremovich has shared a lot with me about how they use fly motion from the wing like someone touched on above. That would be something great for you to have with the young kid.

bigm0073 Senior Member Posts: 1,697	Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 10, 2015 20:26:46 GMT -6 paketterman likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 20:26:46 GMT -6 Our defense is and has always been our Stength we never win by out scoring will check out nc state. Thanks

Chris Clement
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Same personnel but multiple.. Jul 11, 2015 9:22:06 GMT -6 via the ProBoards App

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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 11, 2015 9:22:06 GMT -6

Jul 10, 2015 20:05:27 GMT -6 bigm0073 said:

For Boise state or us?

our qb is 6 3 180 lbs junior who threw for over 1600 yds and 64 percent last year.. Thrower type.. Dropback..4.9 guy but not a real zone read type.

Well as I see it you have one too many superstars. I just don't know if you can be helped, it's a tough situation.

Same personnel but multiple..

Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 14:56:53 GMT -6

Post by 19holmes on Jul 10, 2015 15:24:25 GMT -6

Post by lions23 on Jul 10, 2015 15:46:05 GMT -6

Post by 19holmes on Jul 10, 2015 16:08:36 GMT -6

Post by joker31 on Jul 10, 2015 16:17:46 GMT -6

Post by coachcreighton on Jul 10, 2015 16:29:40 GMT -6

Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 18:06:43 GMT -6

Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 18:16:28 GMT -6

Post by Chris Clement on Jul 10, 2015 19:52:27 GMT -6

Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 20:05:27 GMT -6

Post by coachwoodall on Jul 10, 2015 20:15:38 GMT -6

Post by poundtherock1 on Jul 10, 2015 20:20:47 GMT -6

Post by bigm0073 on Jul 10, 2015 20:26:46 GMT -6

Post by Chris Clement on Jul 11, 2015 9:22:06 GMT -6