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Post by passingame999 on Jun 20, 2015 9:54:25 GMT -6
This is a question for a coaching class I am taking so if you could let me know how long you have been coaching (any sport) in addition to your answer that would be great. Thanks.
Question 1
What are some routines or methods you use to pump up your team if you sense they are flat or under-aroused for a competition?
Question 2
What would be some ways you would seek to calm your team if you felt they were too jacked up for the competition?
Thanks.
Fell free to message me if you need coach interviews for your classes.
The class is: The Teaching Coach from Drake University
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Post by fantom on Jun 20, 2015 9:58:10 GMT -6
I don't have an answer off the top of my head but I have to say that reading the title I thought that I had some spam to move to the recycling bin.
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Post by passingame999 on Jun 20, 2015 10:13:03 GMT -6
Lol. Nope. Trying not to waste anyone's time. Funny comment tho.
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Post by paketterman on Jun 20, 2015 10:20:29 GMT -6
I don't have an answer off the top of my head but I have to say that reading the title I thought that I had some spam to move to the recycling bin. I thought the exact same thing. Haha |
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Post by jg78 on Jun 20, 2015 10:33:00 GMT -6
I don't have an answer off the top of my head but I have to say that reading the title I thought that I had some spam to move to the recycling bin. I thought the exact same thing. Haha Ha! Me too. |
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Post by fantom on Jun 20, 2015 10:44:24 GMT -6
This is a question for a coaching class I am taking so if you could let me know how long you have been coaching (any sport) in addition to your answer that would be great. Thanks. Question 1 What are some routines or methods you use to pump up your team if you sense they are flat or under-aroused for a competition? Question 2 What would be some ways you would seek to calm your team if you felt they were too jacked up for the competition? Thanks. Fell free to message me if you need coach interviews for your classes. The class is: The Teaching Coach from Drake University I've been coaching for 36 years. I think that if they're too low or too high you have to force yourself to be the opposite. If they're flat you have to be up and if they're jacked you have to be calm. I read once that before a big game, The Ice Bowl maybe, Lombardi's entire pregame speech consisted of a little silly joke. This can be tricky. First of all you may literally have to force yourself because you may feel exactly the same way that they do. Secondly, you can't diverge from your own personality. If they see that you're putting on an act it won't work. I also think that whatever you need to do you'll probably do it at halftime, not pregame. Years of experience have shown me that there's almost no way to tell how they'll play by how they act pregame. Sometimes when we think they're flat it's really businesslike determination and confidence. Sometimes they act jacked because they're whistling through the graveyard. |
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Post by passingame999 on Jun 20, 2015 11:14:07 GMT -6
Thank you fantom. Great reflection. I appreciate it.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 20, 2015 12:52:50 GMT -6
Just an AC, but for the most part the routine is the routine. Any pumping up or calming down is done during the week; especially early in the week. We try to make the pregame the same whether we are playing our big rival, Cub Scout troop 64, or the championship game. If it's a big game, we address it and talk about the what-ifs, things that might be different, or what the school/community will be saying and doing; then we go to work.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 20, 2015 13:24:33 GMT -6
This is a question for a coaching class I am taking so if you could let me know how long you have been coaching (any sport) in addition to your answer that would be great. Thanks. Question 1 What are some routines or methods you use to pump up your team if you sense they are flat or under-aroused for a competition? Question 2 What would be some ways you would seek to calm your team if you felt they were too jacked up for the competition? Thanks. Fell free to message me if you need coach interviews for your classes. The class is: The Teaching Coach from Drake University I've been coaching for 36 years. I think that if they're too low or too high you have to force yourself to be the opposite. If they're flat you have to be up and if they're jacked you have to be calm. I read once that before a big game, The Ice Bowl maybe, Lombardi's entire pregame speech consisted of a little silly joke. This can be tricky. First of all you may literally have to force yourself because you may feel exactly the same way that they do. Secondly, you can't diverge from your own personality. If they see that you're putting on an act it won't work. I also think that whatever you need to do you'll probably do it at halftime, not pregame. Years of experience have shown me that there's almost no way to tell how they'll play by how they act pregame. Sometimes when we think they're flat it's really businesslike determination and confidence. Sometimes they act jacked because they're whistling through the graveyard. Superior post!! |
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Post by blb on Jun 20, 2015 15:23:10 GMT -6
Years of experience has taught me you cannot tell whether kids 16-18 years old are "ready" to play emotionally or psychologically.
I became a head coach at 25, and thought I had to give a big "Pep Talk" before sending team on field for game.
I soon came to understand I was making kids too tight and not focusing on the right things.
In fact I realized I was making them expend too much emotional energy even in Pre-Game.
One of the best teams I ever had hardly said "Boo" during Pre-Game, just went about their business. In fact they used to snicker at teams with all kinds of chants, claps, yells, routines, etc.
But man, once the game began - you could hear them (pads popping) loud and clear.
So I stopped trying to make a "Passion Play" with "Old-Time Religion" prayer meeting zealotry out of it and focused on what really mattered - What the Game Meant to Us, and What We Must Do to Win.
Which we had been talking about since Sunday film.
Thus we concentrated on preparing them to the best of our ability before Friday night so we didn't have to count on my ability to rouse them to a fever pitch, which would probably just crumble under the first sign of adversity anyway. |
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Post by passingame999 on Jun 20, 2015 16:22:28 GMT -6
Not so much pre game.
Let's say at halftime you found yourself with
a flat team (getting punched in the mouth by someone they shouldn't etc...low arousal)
or
a team making mistakes of over aggression (aggression penalties, over pursuit, out of position etc...) Bc they we they were too fired up.
What actions (other than typical threats) would you take to change their emotional state.
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Post by passingame999 on Jun 20, 2015 16:26:14 GMT -6
I should have not used Pregame as the context as I agree with all of you, Pregame is not a good indicator of state.
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Post by utchuckd on Jun 20, 2015 17:23:35 GMT -6
If they're too excited I tell them to think about baseball.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jun 20, 2015 18:37:00 GMT -6
I was going to say testosterone replacement originally.
If anybody has an answer for a flat team i would love to hear it. Twice in the past 11 years we have missed the playoffs by losing to an inferior team the week after a heartbreaker to a really good (one was the eventual state champion) team.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 20, 2015 18:44:38 GMT -6
I was going to say testosterone replacement originally. If anybody has an answer for a flat team i would love to hear it. Twice in the past 11 years we have missed the playoffs by losing to an inferior team the week after a heartbreaker to a really good (one was the eventual state champion) team. That is why we practice with mentality of Monday is Monday... Address it on the next practice day (we lost a tough one....) and then get back to the routine. Ive really talked to kids a lot of times about ' doing the same ole same' and they always want to say 'we like change.... ' but in reality they always question the change. Make the season about this the plan, there is no plan B. |
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Post by lions23 on Jun 20, 2015 19:07:42 GMT -6
We talk about getting better everyday is the goal. It's never about the opponent. Everything is about our own effort technique scheme etc. we try to use that to deflect from big gems big moments causing extra emotions.
For flatness. I think it is bout confidence and learning how to compete which I think can both be taught. Going back to everyday betterment and preparation I think that is where you build confidence. You have to build elements of competition into your offseason and practice to develop a level of practice in competition. Some people are just survivors. We have to teach our kids how to compete and aspire for success.
The worst coach I ever worked with didn't believe effort could be taught. We sorely underachieved. We were always too flat or to high.
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Post by joker31 on Jun 20, 2015 19:31:56 GMT -6
The kids will be an extension of you (to a certain extent). If you're the rah-rah type, they'll lean that way to some degree. If you're the silent assassin, they'll lean that way too.
I'm fairly young, but I've learned/decided to do it like this. Before the season starts I let it be known that every game we play will present a challenge for us collectively and as individuals, whether that's a good player/team, adverse situations, or us not respecting our opponent.
Each week, I address what needs to be addressed, but do it early in the week. Weds/Thurs is all glass half full comments and reiterating what needs to be done to be successful. Game day speeches aren't long, most of the messages need to be said before gameday for it to sink in.
If we play against another good team or someone of equal/superior caliber, I say during the practice week that "We're good, they're good. This is a game competitors want to be in". I display confidence and that we're ready but am calm. I'll mention our program acronym/philosophy, play with great technique, effort and discipline. Then reiterate the competitors thing. That's about it.
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Post by dubber on Jun 20, 2015 20:03:29 GMT -6
When things are going poorly, people respond to confidence, not necessarily fire and brimstone.
Like the guy in the sunglasses
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Post by coachklee on Jun 20, 2015 20:29:48 GMT -6
1: clapping, hitting drills, music
2: talking/meeting, music
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Post by jlenwood on Jun 21, 2015 10:38:48 GMT -6
I think you really need to be careful with the fiery pre-game speeches. I especially hate the ones where you try to tear an oponent down, seen those back fire in a big way (that HC is gone!!).
I think that the key is confidence. A kid either has it or they don't, and you can't be half way on that...you have to be all in and know you can do it. That comes from the HC and is gained thru the week of preperation you get at practice.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 21, 2015 11:19:50 GMT -6
Like many on here I agree with most in response to their pre game ritual... Here is my experience similar to phantom
I do not like our players being too high or emotional before a game. We try and take a business approach. Our teams tend to be very cerebral and analytical. We rarely just beat teams with pure athleticism, speed and force.. We usually have to play smart, make less mistakes, make adjustments and we try and approach a game like a chess match. This is and has been my approach as a head coach for 12 years. I run the offense. Our DC has the same approach. Very cerebral, analytical and approaches the game that way.
We try as much as possible to take away the emotional edge and focus on the mental edge. We both believe that kids that are too emotional and too high make mistakes..
I agree with other coaches too... Players can get too high and often this can backfire in your face. It can blow up in your face if the game does not start the way you want it.
We all as coaches talk about finishing.. Its not how you start it is how you finish.. So if we put too much emphasis on coming out fast, scoring fast, etc.. And it does not go as planned the team could collapse or it could backfire in your face.
So like others have said I do not want our kids too emotional before the game. I want them to have a clear head, be prepared (Hopefully we did this during the week of practice). I am not a rah rah guy.. I have not gone into the lockeroom before the game and given a pre-game speech in over 5 years... I stay away from that stuff before we start the game.
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Post by 33coach on Jun 21, 2015 11:23:29 GMT -6
We don't 'pump up' our kids.
It's a waste of time and it's just one of those NFL bro fan-boy things that the movies show...that serve no purpose.
Don't waste the energy.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jun 22, 2015 8:36:28 GMT -6
25 years. We have a game day routine that never changes, and the goal is to get them to focus, which I define as extreme concentration on the task at hand. Fear, worry, nervousness, doubt, being overly emotional - these are all distractions that we are trying to eliminate. So, to answer your question, we control the level of arousal through a set routine.
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Post by gators1422 on Jun 22, 2015 11:26:19 GMT -6
Sometimes teams are hard to read, in 2012 those guys never got hyped, hardly ever celebrated and it worried a few of us coaches. Game 7 we were 6-0 #2 playing our rival and they were #4. We looked so dead in pre game and we were worried to death, at halffime we were up 28-6 and won 40-6. We all agreed every team is different. That's just how they went about their business, you can't force it some people.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 22, 2015 11:36:46 GMT -6
I've found that if a team is too hyped, it's good to settle them down by focusing on something technical/mechanical. "Hey guys, I'm seeing this front when we are in Trips. We are going to do this in the second half as an adjustment." It gets them to change gears and start thinking in a methodical manner, rather than an emotional one. Then, we can end the halftime with an emotional adjustment like "We were the better team in the first half, but we're too tight. It's football. Let's take care of business and let the game come to us." Give them something they can't tackle with passion.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 22, 2015 14:16:42 GMT -6
my arousal regulation is my wife, she regulates everything
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Post by blb on Jun 22, 2015 17:35:17 GMT -6
my arousal regulation is my wife, she regulates everything
If you can't coach at home, how do you expect to "Get 'er done" on the field?
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 22, 2015 17:43:13 GMT -6
I've found that if a team is too hyped, it's good to settle them down by focusing on something technical/mechanical. "Hey guys, I'm seeing this front when we are in Trips. We are going to do this in the second half as an adjustment." It gets them to change gears and start thinking in a methodical manner, rather than an emotional one. Then, we can end the halftime with an emotional adjustment like "We were the better team in the first half, but we're too tight. It's football. Let's take care of business and let the game come to us." Give them something they can't tackle with passion. And it's all relative to the normal personality of the group. We had a group one year that acted like they were the founding members of the Delta Tau Chi's. If they were the least bit quiet/calm before a game, you knew it was going to be a long night. |
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 23, 2015 12:11:39 GMT -6
oh, i try to coach her, but she doesn't let me, so i put my energies on the field
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Post by olinedude on Jul 10, 2015 0:34:45 GMT -6
Not exactly an answer to either, but the trick to me is knowing when they are flat and when they are too worked up.
Question 1: when guys are flat I just tell them how excited I am, and tell them what I think they're about to do in the game like, "man this is gonna be fun tonight, I think you're about to run for 150 yards tonight"
Question 2: when guys are too tight I use humor, I'll joke around with them and get them laughing and then refocus them calmly on the things they need to focus on specific to what we've worked all week
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