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Jun 12, 2015 15:35:52 GMT -6
Post by tango on Jun 12, 2015 15:35:52 GMT -6
We may not have a JV team this year. This means will have around 10 kids that will not get to play much if any at all. I need some ideas to try to keep them out.
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Jun 12, 2015 17:06:13 GMT -6
Post by shocktroop34 on Jun 12, 2015 17:06:13 GMT -6
The first thing I might do is reach out to the parents either by email or have them come up to the school for an informal meeting and just talk to them. Explain what their perceived roles might be and gauge their interest.
If they balk at the idea of limited PT, you might be able to sell them on their future roles.
Tell the kids that the small roster is often something you can't control (fully). But you'd still like them to be a part of the program.
If nothing else, you can say that you did your due diligence in the area of communication and didn't sell any pipe dreams to them.
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Jun 12, 2015 17:45:29 GMT -6
Post by coachbdud on Jun 12, 2015 17:45:29 GMT -6
it sucks but sometimes it happens
happened when i coached at my alma mater a year after i graduated... sophomore class was super talented but a TON of them had bad grades and just fizzled out (streets is life, instead of ball is life)
so we only had about 12-15 sophomore in the program... we decided to bring them all up to varsity and we just had a freshman team, and a varsity team
about half of them started on varsity of the leftover half, half of them played significantly
there were a few who rode the bench, but as far as i can remember they all became contributors by their senior year
overall worked well for us, and it paid off... by their senior year they all improved a lot and the extra year of varsity helped them
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Jun 12, 2015 22:53:01 GMT -6
Post by coachguy83 on Jun 12, 2015 22:53:01 GMT -6
A school I coached at a few years ago had this same issue. The sophomore class was small and not very many of them played football. Originally they wanted to cancel the JV season, but after pressure from the conference and school board it was decided to go ahead and play. We ended up having to play a bunch of freshman up and it was kind of a mess, but we muddled through.
The other option that would at least give those guys some game like playing time would be to what we call Civil War. Take your 10 JV guys and all of the freshmen and divided them up into teams and play games on whatever night you normally play your JV games. Do it on your game field, invite the parents out, and make it as close to the real thing as possible.
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Jun 13, 2015 6:48:07 GMT -6
Post by tango on Jun 13, 2015 6:48:07 GMT -6
325 students. We do not have 9th grade team. The 10 kids that will not get on the field are freshman. Normally about 10 a class but our junior class only has 4 still playing. Constantly win 7 plus games and make the playoffs.
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Jun 13, 2015 7:13:42 GMT -6
Post by John Knight on Jun 13, 2015 7:13:42 GMT -6
Don't worry about it and get them in when you can. Just make an effort to get the ones that can function on the field on special teams and in mop up duty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 12:28:28 GMT -6
Do you mean you'll have a 9th grade team and a varsity,, but no JV, or only a varsity team?
If it's the former, put the 9th graders on JV and play a JV schedule with them all.
If it's the latter, try to find some kind of role for each kid, even if they only play a single special team each week. Find a way to get them on the field or rotated in. This is usually easier at skill positions on offense, but linemen can play on FG and FG block. Also, sub down in blowouts ASAP to give them some reps there.
With low numbers, more of these kids will wind up playing before the season's done than you might expect. Injuries and attrition will force you to rely on a few that you'd hoped you'd never need to.
Unless you're really loaded with good athleted in your upper classes, the reality is that low number programs usually need to build the overall program up by keeping kids out for the future more than they need to worry about keeping the best 11 on the field to get beat. That means you may need to put aside your pride a little sooner and sub down in blowouts much earlier than you'd anticipated.
I have been in this position before. It's not good, but it is what it is.
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Jun 13, 2015 12:39:18 GMT -6
Post by jml on Jun 13, 2015 12:39:18 GMT -6
We had this issues for several years and we found other schools in the same boat and played an 8-man JV schedule while the varsity played 11 man. It wasn't to hard and the kids go to play a ton and developed a ton.
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Jun 13, 2015 21:05:27 GMT -6
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Post by canesfan on Jun 13, 2015 21:05:27 GMT -6
We didn't last year and I hated it. Really going to pay the price after this year.
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Jun 13, 2015 22:06:31 GMT -6
Post by tango on Jun 13, 2015 22:06:31 GMT -6
Only a varsity team. This will be my 10th year at this school. We started a 9th and 10th grade team my first year and have been able to compete at a very high level. Last season our numbers dropped big time and are not getting any better. We were a very good team last season with only 22 varsity kids. This year we should be OK but the future doesn't look so good. Three sets of brothers move because of jobs, two moved because of custody issues, and two brothers moved after a family member pasted away. Ten kids moving will kill a small program.
Anyone ever had a scrimmage game each week with the kids that will not play much? If so, some of the guys will need to play later in the week. Looking for ways to keep them interested because we need a JV the following season.
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Jun 13, 2015 22:23:39 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 22:23:39 GMT -6
Only a varsity team. This will be my 10th year at this school. We started a 9th and 10th grade team my first year and have been able to compete at a very high level. Last season our numbers dropped big time and are not getting any better. We were a very good team last season with only 22 varsity kids. This year we should be OK but the future doesn't look so good. Three sets of brothers move because of jobs, two moved because of custody issues, and two brothers moved after a family member pasted away. Ten kids moving will kill a small program. Anyone ever had a scrimmage game each week with the kids that will not play much? If so, some of the guys will need to play later in the week. Looking for ways to keep them interested because we need a JV the following season. We had a 2 game "JV schedule" at a previous stop when we had about 35 kids on the roster and a bunch of them weren't getting much playing time. We just scheduled a home and away series of midseason scrimmages against the same team, who brought their varsity team to both--they were that bad and desperate for a win. We let all the 9th and 10th graders, including a lot of kids who were counted on to contribute on Fridays the same week (6 of which were starters) play on JV, as well as all the non-starting juniors and seniors. We made sure everyone got to play. The kids loved it, but I don't know if it really accomplished much and we had a few injury scares. I'd be wary of doing something like this again unless it were better organized and had a real "JV Season" feel to it. In some states, this can be tough with maximum quarters rules and things like that.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 14, 2015 7:12:16 GMT -6
Only a varsity team. This will be my 10th year at this school. We started a 9th and 10th grade team my first year and have been able to compete at a very high level. Last season our numbers dropped big time and are not getting any better. We were a very good team last season with only 22 varsity kids. This year we should be OK but the future doesn't look so good. Three sets of brothers move because of jobs, two moved because of custody issues, and two brothers moved after a family member pasted away. Ten kids moving will kill a small program. Anyone ever had a scrimmage game each week with the kids that will not play much? If so, some of the guys will need to play later in the week. Looking for ways to keep them interested because we need a JV the following season. Do the these kids need a full season's worth of work to be able to help you in the future? What if you just had a mini 4 week season of practice followed by a glorified scrimmage and the let the ones that wanted to stay for the season, stay and the ones who were done, be done? Could at least 4 (or whatever number) weeks of practice be enough to keep them in the program and ready for next year? What if they only practiced twice a week on Monday and Wednesday? Or some combination of whatever? I think that if you could get more out or at least keep the ones that you have by reducing their number of days, hours, or weeks would prevent them from having a wasted year or no year at all. They could probably as a group get 90% (totally made up number) of what they needed football wise done. I have a couple of examples: In 2012 we won state, but we only had 21 10th-12th graders. We were able to keep 6 9th graders out after their JV season by only requiring them to come to practice on Tue and Thu. That meant they missed the heavy conditioning day of Monday. We needed them to be able to scrimmage, a few for special teams, and as backups for our blowouts. I didn't need my starters or first backups in most games during the 4th quarter. But these kids also had JV basketball practice to go to. So the Tue, Thu deal was ideal. I think we even let them go early on those days when we could. In spring of 2014 we were in danger of not having a JV team. I knew we would have enough, but just had to get them out there. We reduced spring training to 3 days for those guys and kept them out there and then ended up going undefeated this past Fall with them. The kids easily got 90% out of spring training in 3 days as opposed to 2 weeks. They were 7th and 8th graders at the time. I looked at it throught the eyes of two 7th grades 3 sport athletes. They just finished basketball and then baseball season. Have a summer baseball season to play. Exams coming up. They have no idea that the JV will be good or not. They are worried about doing August football practice. Just a lot to commit to. Change spring training to 3 days and they come out. Have a great undefeated football season and now love football! They are upcoming 9th graders now. One will start both ways on the VARSITY this year and the other will help a lot and is kicking 45 yard field goals in practice. They are hooked on football, but maybe if I was a hard a$$ to a 7th grader, they would have been lost forever. Find a way to be flexible.
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Jun 14, 2015 8:05:01 GMT -6
Post by tango on Jun 14, 2015 8:05:01 GMT -6
In our state you can't play two games in a week. No JV and Varsity in the same week.
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Jun 14, 2015 14:11:18 GMT -6
Post by jml on Jun 14, 2015 14:11:18 GMT -6
Only a varsity team. This will be my 10th year at this school. We started a 9th and 10th grade team my first year and have been able to compete at a very high level. Last season our numbers dropped big time and are not getting any better. We were a very good team last season with only 22 varsity kids. This year we should be OK but the future doesn't look so good. Three sets of brothers move because of jobs, two moved because of custody issues, and two brothers moved after a family member pasted away. Ten kids moving will kill a small program. Anyone ever had a scrimmage game each week with the kids that will not play much? If so, some of the guys will need to play later in the week. Looking for ways to keep them interested because we need a JV the following season. In Michigan you can do a total of 4 scrimmages so we did this during the season so the 9th and 10th graders who weren't playing much could play, and the still suit up for the game on Friday. In MI we can only do 1 game a week. Which is why I like the quarter rule in some states, but would hate to keep track of that stuff.
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Jun 14, 2015 19:51:04 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on Jun 14, 2015 19:51:04 GMT -6
We would go to the hall ways and get bodies.
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Jun 14, 2015 21:26:20 GMT -6
Post by mattharris75 on Jun 14, 2015 21:26:20 GMT -6
Only a varsity team. This will be my 10th year at this school. We started a 9th and 10th grade team my first year and have been able to compete at a very high level. Last season our numbers dropped big time and are not getting any better. We were a very good team last season with only 22 varsity kids. This year we should be OK but the future doesn't look so good. Three sets of brothers move because of jobs, two moved because of custody issues, and two brothers moved after a family member pasted away. Ten kids moving will kill a small program. Anyone ever had a scrimmage game each week with the kids that will not play much? If so, some of the guys will need to play later in the week. Looking for ways to keep them interested because we need a JV the following season. We had a 2 game "JV schedule" at a previous stop when we had about 35 kids on the roster and a bunch of them weren't getting much playing time. We just scheduled a home and away series of midseason scrimmages against the same team, who brought their varsity team to both--they were that bad and desperate for a win. We let all the 9th and 10th graders, including a lot of kids who were counted on to contribute on Fridays the same week (6 of which were starters) play on JV, as well as all the non-starting juniors and seniors. We made sure everyone got to play. The kids loved it, but I don't know if it really accomplished much and we had a few injury scares. I'd be wary of doing something like this again unless it were better organized and had a real "JV Season" feel to it. In some states, this can be tough with maximum quarters rules and things like that. I'd be wary of this as well. Last season we let our starting varsity slot receiver (Who was also our backup varsity QB) play quarterback in JV games just to get him some reps at that position. It seemed to be working and was valuable to his development, until he got sacked and broke his collarbone and was out for the rest of the season.
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Post by jsk002 on Jun 14, 2015 21:39:46 GMT -6
You have 10 freshmen right? I would try to recruit 3 - 4 kids and maybe play down 1 -3 sophomores (ones who really won't get any reps on varsity). If you can bring 15 to a game - then you should be in business. We are in a similar situation and do whatever I can to make sure we get a game for our lower levels. They need reps to get better but I also want them to stay involved.
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Post by dubber on Jun 15, 2015 9:54:30 GMT -6
You have 10 freshmen right? I would try to recruit 3 - 4 kids and maybe play down 1 -3 sophomores (ones who really won't get any reps on varsity). If you can bring 15 to a game - then you should be in business. We are in a similar situation and do whatever I can to make sure we get a game for our lower levels. They need reps to get better but I also want them to stay involved.
I guarantee even at a small school there are a handful of kids who want to play, but just didn't make summer stuff.
We always let sophomores and freshmen come out late. We let them have fun, build friendships, and then hope they get more committed as they get older.
Right now, our starting Mike, F/S, and NG were freshmen no shows.
As seniors, they could be captains.
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Jun 16, 2015 9:51:06 GMT -6
Post by funkfriss on Jun 16, 2015 9:51:06 GMT -6
Not sure where you are, but any chance you could play JV games on a different night? Get some of the Sophs/Juniors that don't start Varsity to at least give you 15 or so JV guys? You might not be able to do a full schedule due to the # of games allowed, but you could at least get a 4 or 5 game JV schedule and keep those kids interested. Better than nothing....
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Jun 16, 2015 13:04:29 GMT -6
Post by John Knight on Jun 16, 2015 13:04:29 GMT -6
Agreed Dubber, let the walk-ons play JV
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Jun 16, 2015 19:36:50 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on Jun 16, 2015 19:36:50 GMT -6
Agreed Dubber, let the walk-ons play JV I don't do much laundry in my household. That means my wife cleans my swacky underwear. I didn't ask her to commit to that on our first date. Point is, sometimes football ain't love at first sight.
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Jun 17, 2015 15:17:48 GMT -6
Post by tango on Jun 17, 2015 15:17:48 GMT -6
You can only dress for only one game a week. Of the 10 freshman at least four will play some. Around 4 sophomores will not get on the field. That leaves 9 that will not get to play and other kids can't play up and down. Good ideas about letting them come out late but I'm not going to go that route. Our first game is played The week we start back to school. We start back to school. I guess I'm looking for ways to keep them engaged.
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Jun 17, 2015 16:07:50 GMT -6
Post by Cody Gardner on Jun 17, 2015 16:07:50 GMT -6
I'd make due without the freshman at the varsity level, if you have injuries or grade issues, then cancel the underclassman game and play them up. You have to keep those kids and develop them or you soon won't have a varsity schedule.
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Jun 18, 2015 6:04:53 GMT -6
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Post by jsk002 on Jun 18, 2015 6:04:53 GMT -6
You can only dress for only one game a week. Of the 10 freshman at least four will play some. Around 4 sophomores will not get on the field. That leaves 9 that will not get to play and other kids can't play up and down. Good ideas about letting them come out late but I'm not going to go that route. Our first game is played The week we start back to school. We start back to school. I guess I'm looking for ways to keep them engaged. Why not take those 10 frown & 4 Sophs and play JV?
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Jun 18, 2015 9:17:38 GMT -6
Post by funkfriss on Jun 18, 2015 9:17:38 GMT -6
tango I know this doesn't help you, but can I ask why with 325 students, so roughly 160 boys, are you only getting 10 per class? Now, back to the problem. I agree with jsk002. By the way you wrote your last reply it sounds like your 4 Freshmen players will be spot time players, not starters. I would take all of them and the Sophs/Juniors that won't start and play them JV. Maybe only schedule a 1/2 JV schedule that way you can have them for some of your Varsity games. Sounds like it's going to be a rough year no matter how you slice it. I think you would be doing a disservice to the future of your program to not have a JV team. Don't penalize the younger kids because of a bad upper class.
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Jun 18, 2015 15:00:22 GMT -6
Post by tango on Jun 18, 2015 15:00:22 GMT -6
1 out of 4 kids is normal in a public school in our area. We have had some issues in the last two years that are out of my control. Three different sets of brothers moved out of state. If we put our best guys on the field that leaves 6 freshman and 4 sophomores. We have a chance to make the playoffs if we stay healthy.
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Jun 18, 2015 19:10:02 GMT -6
Post by tango on Jun 18, 2015 19:10:02 GMT -6
State Champs last season in our classification had 11 Sr., 7 Jr., 11 So. and Fr. combined. 29 total.
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