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Post by adawg2302 on Jun 1, 2015 10:01:19 GMT -6
For all the coordinators out there, how do you set the depth chart? Do you do it independently? Do you let your position coaches decide on their own? A combination of both?
For in game substitutions, do you as a coordinator make all of the subs? Do you let your position coaches sub at will? Or a combination of both?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Post by fantom on Jun 1, 2015 10:21:02 GMT -6
Generally, position coaches set their own depth charts but we discuss it as a staff. Since we don't platoon one thing that we make sure that all coaches understand is on which side of the ball two ways starters will get their breaks.
In-game, except for predetermined personnel groups it's up to the position coaches. Sometimes events in a game override the substitution plan. For example in one game we had decided that even though we had a great TB, he was more valuable on defense so he was supposed to get his breaks on O. When he broke a 99 yard kickoff return, though, by the time he got to the 50 I was telling his backup safety to take his place for the next series.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 1, 2015 12:14:45 GMT -6
Being a small school we really don't have a depth chart per say. We are kind of in the situation where sure there is a second string but that doesn't mean they are the back ups at a position. Like if the RT gets hurt then maybe our LT comes over and the Center goes to Guard and the Guard goes to LT etc...
With that being said our HC is the OC I am the DC, HC takes care of the RB's he needs to sub or grabs the WR he wants in there if we throw. I do the OL subs. So no problem there. As the DC I let our DL coach, who is a former HC/OC/DC veteran guy sub freely. All other position subs go through me no one has free reign to just send a player into the game with out the HC or myself giving the thumbs up. We also have been together for a long time as a staff so everyone knows how it works and their are no egos or hurt feelings in these situations. On a side note really blessed to have the staff we do overall as sometimes the situations that come up on here blow my mind LOL
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Post by 33coach on Jun 1, 2015 12:17:08 GMT -6
For all the coordinators out there, how do you set the depth chart? Do you do it independently? Do you let your position coaches decide on their own? A combination of both? For in game substitutions, do you as a coordinator make all of the subs? Do you let your position coaches sub at will? Or a combination of both? Thanks in advance for your replies. Positions coaches tell me who starts, I have final say (but rarely override). |
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Post by fantom on Jun 1, 2015 12:28:25 GMT -6
Being a small school we really don't have a depth chart per say. We are kind of in the situation where sure there is a second string but that doesn't mean they are the back ups at a position. Like if the RT gets hurt then maybe our LT comes over and the Center goes to Guard and the Guard goes to LT etc... That's not just a small school thing. We're a big school but there's a difference between our paper depth chart and what happens in the real world. We had a #2 OL on the depth chart and they got practice reps but if there was an injury in-game that guy who was #2 on the depth chart is going in. We were really thin there last year, with only two guys who I trusted with extended playing time and both were guards. When our LT got hurt, we had to sub in a guard, move the starting guard to center, and move the center to LT. A few years ago I heard an NFL coach speak at a clinic and he remarked that in some ways NFL coaches have more in common with HS coaches than with D.1 college coaches. One reason was roster size and depth and I think that our situation is an example of that. |
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Post by realdawg on Jun 1, 2015 12:35:41 GMT -6
As mentioned my position coaches pretty much set the depth chart at their positions but we talk about it a lot. Especially early in the year. Most substitutions go through me except for injuries. It doesn't have to be that way. It's just the way it is. Only subs that I would really require go through me is when it becomes mop up time.
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Post by eaglemountie on Jun 1, 2015 13:10:52 GMT -6
Position coaches determine who starts with my final say. We are small so we have one sub for two maybe three positions and one or two swing players that can sub in at a couple different spots.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 1, 2015 14:30:48 GMT -6
Being a small school we really don't have a depth chart per say. We are kind of in the situation where sure there is a second string but that doesn't mean they are the back ups at a position. Like if the RT gets hurt then maybe our LT comes over and the Center goes to Guard and the Guard goes to LT etc... That's not just a small school thing. We're a big school but there's a difference between our paper depth chart and what happens in the real world. We had a #2 OL on the depth chart and they got practice reps but if there was an injury in-game that guy who was #2 on the depth chart is going in. We were really thin there last year, with only two guys who I trusted with extended playing time and both were guards. When our LT got hurt, we had to sub in a guard, move the starting guard to center, and move the center to LT. A few years ago I heard an NFL coach speak at a clinic and he remarked that in some ways NFL coaches have more in common with HS coaches than with D.1 college coaches. One reason was roster size and depth and I think that our situation is an example of that. Good article that talks about some of the same kind of stuff |
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Post by Defcord on Jun 1, 2015 15:17:21 GMT -6
When i was a head coach i let my coaches sub and start pretty freely. every once in a while something would happen and i would say put in this guy or that but usually they made the call. i would watch in practice and see how we subs would work and what not.
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Post by spartan on Jun 1, 2015 20:09:15 GMT -6
Depth charts are built by staff and signed off by HC. No sense in sitting your #2 RB if he is better then all your WR. Move him to WR
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 1, 2015 21:50:42 GMT -6
I'm the defensive coordinator and I coach a position. The position coaches set the depth chart for practice early in the season but we are constantly talking about how we split the reps, repping kids at alternate positions, how to organize our practice reps to match what we think our game day rotation will be, etc. Ultimately the HC has final say and I always run the depth chart by him but he's never given any indication that he's disagreed with it or wanted to see it changed.
During the games, our DB coach subs his guys in as he sees fit, our DL coach technically goes through me only because he's in the booth so he tells me who he wants. I reserve the right and have put certain guys back into the game in certain situations, but the situations are few and far between where we haven't been in immediate agreement on getting a starter back into the game. The times that it has happened are usually after a special teams play, long turnover return, something like that where a kid just had to give more than the usual effort during a play.
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Post by coachmonkey on Jun 2, 2015 9:15:42 GMT -6
For all the coordinators out there, how do you set the depth chart? Do you do it independently? Do you let your position coaches decide on their own? A combination of both? For in game substitutions, do you as a coordinator make all of the subs? Do you let your position coaches sub at will? Or a combination of both? Thanks in advance for your replies. Our game day depth chart is set at our staff meeting after practice on wednesday. It is not free substitution for the position coaches at any time. Dline wise, we come up with a rotation for our dline guys, but sometimes there is a certain group of guys I want on the field together at the same time and I will over ride the rotation. But everyone on our staff knows who is starting and who is next in if someone gets injured or if I need to pull a guy out for a play for some reason. We don't stray from that very often...rarely in fact. One of the side benefits of me coordinating and not having a position group is that I get to see all of the positions, so when we are in our depth chart meeting, I have my own opinion of the players and though I usually agree with the position coach there are times where I do not agree. It seems to me that sometimes position coaches get attached to a particular player for various reasons...just thinks he deserves a chance, just wants to see what he can do, etc. - and that's great, I want our position coaches to push for their guys but I feel like sometimes some coaches WANT a guy to play and really doesn't see the reality of how he's not ready. Honestly I think this just happened today during open field. The kids are throwing 7 on 7 and LB coach has been championing a guy, and I love the kid. Great kid, works hard, etc. That's not the issue at all. The issue is, when he's got to break off of a #2 receiver and jump #3 in the flat...he lacks the explosiveness to get there, he's just not going to be fast enough to play that spot. It was a sobering moment for the LB coach who said "but he works so hard and he's such a great kid" to which I replied "so you're willing to lose a game just to play him there because you want to?" He said "no but..." I said "I'm not writing him off, I'm just saying it's June, he has time, all I'm saying is that has to improve." He said "yea...I know." Fortunately this happened in the summer, but sometimes almost this exact situation happens in season and sometimes in games. IDK, when I was a position coach I always felt like I was the HC of my position Monday-Thursday, but on friday they were the coordinator's players. He knew what he wanted and when and who. I may disagree and I may voice that, but at the end of it, it was his call to make - not mine. I would think something like this happens quite often. I just want my best 11 on the field. If I have a kid like the one you described, and he is too slow here, but one of my 11 best, we will find a spot for him. If he is not one of the 11 best, sorry, but we have to play to win. It's not fair to teammates. How often do you move kids that don't work in one position versus another? I am a smaller school, so we can get away with it. At a bigger school, it may not be as possible. |
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Post by adawg2302 on Jun 2, 2015 9:24:55 GMT -6
All good info. Thanks coaches, I appreciate the input.
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Post by gibbs72 on Jun 5, 2015 8:56:46 GMT -6
I'm the DC and I set the depth chart across the board. I ask the position coaches for their input, but the chart is posted and discussed in staff meetings, so our position coaches know to seek me out if they don't like what I have.
During games, I give our DL coach a lot of freedom in rotating DL in and out depending on their conditioning level (4-6 plays depending on the player). This helps because I am in the box during games. Our HC is the LB coach, so he rotates them. He tells me when sends in our #3/ #4 LB because there are certain calls/ alignments I won't use if they are not ready. I coach the secondary, so I send down any secondary substitutions. It works pretty well for us. I follow the depth chart on Friday nights: if John Doe is the #2 Eagle LB on our depth chart, then John Doe goes in if the #1 Eagle LB goes down. No free-wheeling or just picking guys in the heat of the moment. I had to rip a** to a coach last year for sending in our #2 Shade in for weak side DE during a game. "He can do it," he say. "HE HASN'T PRACTICED A PHUCKING DOWN OF IT ALL YEAR" was my polite response from upstairs.
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Post by newhope on Jun 5, 2015 12:19:03 GMT -6
It usually depends on how much I trust the position coach. Some I've given a free hand to, some have to get my permission, some I've used a rotation chart. I've also sometimes regretted giving the free hand: nothing like having under two minutes to go in the half and backed up inside your own 10 and you realize the o-line coach is "resting" the 3 best o-linemen--or you are driving for a key TD to put the game away and the same o-line coach decides to rest those same key players. And when both those happen in the same night, the o-line coach might just get chewed a new one.
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Post by dytmook on Jun 5, 2015 16:15:14 GMT -6
Heard a coach speak this year and he stated that no matter what his starting 5 oline play every offensive down possible. If they need rest it's on defense and he was the DC. I agree with that.
Most of our subs go through the OC/DC. I can speak for offense that we will call down that Danny needs a rest if we see it. We call it, but it does go through the OC so he knows if he had to change up his calls a little.
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