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Post by kcbazooka on May 31, 2015 12:32:43 GMT -6
I'm watching the college rugby championships. Interesting game - I don't understand all the rules but still interesting.
Can you see it replacing football ever?
why or why not?
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Post by fantom on May 31, 2015 12:43:39 GMT -6
I'm watching the college rugby championships. Interesting game - I don't understand all the rules but still interesting. Can you see it replacing football ever? why or why not? No. People think that the lack of equipment makes the game more violent when, in fact, it makes it less. |
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Post by hback41 on May 31, 2015 12:43:50 GMT -6
Rugby is a great game. Everyone gets a chance to touch the ball. Fewer concussions. Fast paced. I enjoyed playing rugby more than football.
It won't replace footbal any time soon. People know football but don't know rugby. Think of all the intricacies of football. Rugby is no different. It would take quite a long time for enough folks to gain knowledge and interest to overtake football.
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Post by NC1974 on May 31, 2015 13:07:38 GMT -6
Played and love both sports. The real rugby (15s as opposed to 7s) is truly the most egalitarian sport I've ever been a part of. There is a position for just about any body type, everybody plays in 2nd or 3rd side games, and everybody, even us old OL get to play the ball. All of that being said, I don't see it competing with football as a spectator sport. I love watching both, but I think football's forward passing game creates more big plays.
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Post by dubber on May 31, 2015 16:16:19 GMT -6
I love watching it too.
It comes before arena, but after any form of 11 man football.
And everything before baseball.
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Post by coachfloyd on May 31, 2015 16:40:10 GMT -6
Way too much running for a dude like me.
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Post by fantom on May 31, 2015 16:55:43 GMT -6
The reason why I think that rugby, and even soccer, will have a hard time supplanting football is TV. Rugby is a continuous action sport with few stoppages of play and a five minute halftime. It's less than ideal for advertisers. As long as there's TV money the NFL and colleges will keep playing football. That will keep the HS's playing.
Plus let's not forget, Americans still love football. Despite all of the talk of safety and the new regulations the sky is not falling.
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Post by kcbazooka on May 31, 2015 17:08:30 GMT -6
I hope the sky is not falling. Football better do what ever it needs to get concussions out of the game.
A couple of years ago I was working with the offensive line. We had done all the proper techniques without a helmet and I thought things were going well. As soon as we put on helmets they reverted to what they had learned in the past and started knocking helmets. We had to stop and remind them to keep the head out of the game and not use the helmets as a battering ram. At Univeristy of Illinois way back when - their O-line coach wanted to have his O-linemen not wear helmets when going 1-on-1 pass rush drills. He acknowledged liability concerns.
Football helmets have gotten so good players use them as weapons. I am a little leery of the new helmet caps that teams wear in practices. If it cushions the blow and kids get used to it, won't they have a false sense of security when they take off the caps.
Preaching to the choir - but we've got to do whatever it takes to get the head injuries out of the game.
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Post by fantom on May 31, 2015 17:14:08 GMT -6
I hope the sky is not falling. Football better do what ever it needs to get concussions out of the game. A couple of years ago I was working with the offensive line. We had done all the proper techniques without a helmet and I thought things were going well. As soon as we put on helmets they reverted to what they had learned in the past and started knocking helmets. We had to stop and remind them to keep the head out of the game and not use the helmets as a battering ram. At Univeristy of Illinois way back when - their O-line coach wanted to have his O-linemen not wear helmets when going 1-on-1 pass rush drills. He acknowledged liability concerns. Football helmets have gotten so good players use them as weapons. I am a little leery of the new helmet caps that teams wear in practices. If it cushions the blow and kids get used to it, won't they have a false sense of security when they take off the caps. Preaching to the choir - but we've got to do whatever it takes to get the head injuries out of the game. We still take our hats off when we work pass pro. |
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Post by coachfloyd on May 31, 2015 19:00:48 GMT -6
But they take their helmets off for pass pro to keep the head out of it for different reasons. If you get your head forward you are at more risk for pass rush moves. Not concussions. Its to make them learn to keep their head back.
I dont see any real way to play offensive line other than hitting with your face. If you don't and the other dude does, the game is over.
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Post by fantom on May 31, 2015 19:03:15 GMT -6
But they take their helmets off for pass pro to keep the head out of it for different reasons. If you get your head forward you are at more risk for pass rush moves. Not concussions. Its to make them learn to keep their head back. I dont see any real way to play offensive line other than hitting with your face. If you don't and the other dude does, the game is over. Shhh. No need to let everybody know. |
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Post by 19Gate83 on May 31, 2015 19:15:01 GMT -6
Football replaced Rugby.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 31, 2015 19:52:39 GMT -6
What a spectacular misunderstanding of history.
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Post by morris on Jun 1, 2015 5:13:50 GMT -6
We are seeing more schools add it. It's a cheap sport because you pretty much just need a ball. They play it here during the spring. One interesting thing is how it's taught to my understanding. The kids don't play with all the rules. As the kids move up in age groups they add rules. They also wait until an older age to introduce tackling. Now I am not 100% sure if that is standard practice but overseas that appears to be the way they do it b
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Post by windigo on Jun 1, 2015 9:20:30 GMT -6
My son is most certainly starting in Rugby as soon as possible. Way more running than in football which he will need.
And yes I've been loving the game. For all my American Football guys who don't get the rules. You need to understand one rule. When a tackle occurs a line of scrimmage forms at the tackle. At the point of the tackle is known as the ruck. The defense can only enter the ruck from their side of the line of scrimmage. If they come into it from the side or behind then they are offsides.
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Post by coachdubyah on Jun 1, 2015 9:25:28 GMT -6
It's some of the best tackling I've ever seen.
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Post by windigo on Jun 1, 2015 9:27:47 GMT -6
At our Stateside last coaches meeting our most senior coach who was quite the rugby player made the comment in a discussion about concussions of
'why don't they just get rid of helmets? You never see so many concussions in rugby because no one is stupid enough to lead with their head.'
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Post by fantom on Jun 1, 2015 9:37:18 GMT -6
At our Stateside last coaches meeting our most senior coach who was quite the rugby player made the comment in a discussion about concussions of 'why don't they just get rid of helmets? You never see so many concussions in rugby because no one is stupid enough to lead with their head.' They won't get rid of the helmets because too many people think that helmets provide more protection. Last week I took my old helmet, a 1970's Riddell Suspension, to practice to show it to the kids. They were amazed that the only protection was "those strings". I told them that that was why nobody lowered their heads to ram people. |
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 1, 2015 9:55:32 GMT -6
i like rugby, check out austrailian rules rugby
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Post by matello on Jun 2, 2015 6:53:50 GMT -6
Was having the very same conversation (rugby v football v soccer) in the pub last night. One friend (ex-rugby player, massive Wales fan) makes the claim that rugby is alone in camaraderie you get between opponents after the game. In the UK it is a very social game but still think there can be respect between opponents in football & soccer post-game (just maybe not involving sinking gallons of beer). Personally, always preferred football (American Football if you are in the UK) as in 15 man rugby I found all the rucking, mauling & scrums a lottery based on dark arts / dirty tricks / the whim of the officials. Never had that frustration in either football or soccer. Rugby 7's is totally different and seems to me to be a great game although only played a few times. As for the health aspect / concussion, rugby has more than its fair share of issues but is making great strides to reduce the risk and raise awareness. However, I think several prominent professionals have retired in their mid-20s due to persistent concussions (equally applies to Rugby League - the 13 man version that is mainly played in Northern England & Australia). Also, the collapsing scrum in rugby still occurs resulting in massive strains on the neck of the forward and even broken necks & people left paraplegic.
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Post by matello on Jun 2, 2015 6:58:19 GMT -6
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Post by kcbazooka on Jun 3, 2015 16:23:49 GMT -6
The rugby scrum with the heads down does seem a bit bizarre!
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Post by mdunham on Jun 3, 2015 17:04:57 GMT -6
The rugby scrum is quite a dynamic issue within that community. Similar to how football is aiming to make tackling safer for players, rugby has been trying to come up with safer ways to scrum. Part of the problem is that the scrum's a mockery, instead of a fair contest the rules are bent so players have come up with ways to draw penalties rather than contest.
Rugby in our town has been a nice compliment for the football players that have come out. It's fun, they run a ton just playing and it's easier than running from line to line. 7's is a more fluid version by nature, where possession is king. In 15s, most teams value territory over possession so at times it can be a tad boring.
Do I see it replacing football (in this country)? No.
Tradition wins. Plus USA Rugby (gov body of rugby) has plenty of issues to deal with. If there's no pro league and it doesn't get on the big networks in great time slots then it won't have a shot. Nobody will know what it is. There's plenty of hands trying to start something. "Super 7's" is quite possibly the new thing on the corner, will expand if people are interested.
Can it be a nice companion? Yes. I think the sports aid each other. Rugby is more technical based and on the fly decision making, football is very much dominating for 10 seconds at a time and very tactical. Kids have tons of benefit from playing both. Kids who don't play college football have opportunities to play rugby at "big" schools and have a pathway there if they work hard.
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Post by windigo on Jun 4, 2015 11:17:50 GMT -6
Of course its a nice companion. Where I coach we get a ton of kids fresh off the plane from Tutuila or Hawaii. It doesn't really matter that a lot of them haven't played much organized American football, that's not to say that many haven't, they all have developed ball skills and tackling.
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