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Post by tog on Apr 19, 2007 6:35:55 GMT -6
who first started doing zone read, gt read stuff from the gun?
and what were they doing before, and had they come from an option background?
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Post by coachjd on Apr 19, 2007 6:44:14 GMT -6
I have no idea who invented it but Northwestern was the first team I had ever seen using it. Their former OC is now the OC at Minnesota, I am hoping to visit with him this summer. Northwestern was not a true option team but ran it.
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Post by ccscoach on Apr 19, 2007 7:11:42 GMT -6
I thought it was Coach Rod at WVU when he was at Tulane with Bowden then took it too Clemson, at least that what I thought ..............Anyone else
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Post by gunslinger on Apr 19, 2007 7:13:44 GMT -6
I remember reading an interesting interview with a college coach about a second team QB that kept "missing" the handoff on the zone read during spring drills.
He would just keep it and was making huge chunks of yardage against the first team defense.
The coach was mad at first because he couldn't believe that the kid couldn't just hand off the ball then it hit him that he could make that a part of his offense by reading the DE.
I can't remember the school but it may have been West Virginia.
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Post by wildcat on Apr 19, 2007 7:25:21 GMT -6
I always figured that it was invented by these guys who post on another football coaches' message board from Texas...  |
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 19, 2007 7:56:46 GMT -6
who first started doing zone read, gt read stuff from the gun? and what were they doing before, and had they come from an option background? According to wikipedia, it was invented by Matt Brophy .... shortly after he invented the internet and sliced bread. |
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 19, 2007 8:29:21 GMT -6
who first started doing zone read, gt read stuff from the gun? and what were they doing before, and had they come from an option background? I know that old time single wingers would basically run wing counters and once in a while keep the ball...not sure if it was a read or a call...but ill bet its not new?...now zone blocking it? well, i dunno... |
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Post by brophy on Apr 19, 2007 8:35:21 GMT -6
how far back (date) are we going to go?
I know Nebraska started running a ton of zone, then went to gun (like 3 times a game) with Tommie Frazier in '94.........now obviously they were an option team.....does 2+2 = 4? ....but I'm SURE the stole it from someone else.....didn't FSU do this with Charlie Ward?
but.....really, we should be talking about the first time the veer was run from the gun, right? It is the same species / genus
Are we talking about specifically where the give is determined by the DE read?
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Post by bulldogoption on Apr 19, 2007 8:35:37 GMT -6
I remember reading an interesting interview with a college coach about a second team QB that kept "missing" the handoff on the zone read during spring drills. He would just keep it and was making huge chunks of yardage against the first team defense. The coach was mad at first because he couldn't believe that the kid couldn't just hand off the ball then it hit him that he could make that a part of his offense by reading the DE. I can't remember the school but it may have been West Virginia. I read the same article and thought it was Rodriguez, but can't remember which school he was at......I don't think it was his current school. Article said something like backside DE kept chasing down the zone play away. QB told coaches let me take care of him and zone backside 5 read was born. Some time in early 90's I think..... |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 19, 2007 8:42:38 GMT -6
If it was Coach Rod, it may have been when he was coaching in the WVAC Div 2.
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Post by knighter on Apr 19, 2007 8:48:20 GMT -6
I invented the internet, and sliced bread. Brophy is stealing the credit.
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Post by tvt50 on Apr 19, 2007 9:02:02 GMT -6
Northwestern
Tulane
Bowling Green
I think Meyer and Rod both visted with Northwestern and got info from them.
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Post by brophy on Apr 19, 2007 9:03:03 GMT -6
I invented the internet, and sliced bread. Brophy is stealing the credit. buy my videos! Brad may have created the "Internet", but I created the "Indernet", which is better because it has a "d" instead of a "t". |
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Post by ccscoach on Apr 19, 2007 9:26:19 GMT -6
I think it was Rodriguez when he was at Glenville State which is division 2 now and was NAIA back then this would be early to mid 1990's
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Post by coachcb on Apr 19, 2007 9:32:15 GMT -6
I think Northwestern was the first squad to run zone out of the SG; I remember watching them run it in the mid 90s.
I remember thinking "That's the dumbest draw I have ever seen" I think it just evolved from there with Rod. and Meyers.
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Post by wildcat on Apr 19, 2007 9:53:41 GMT -6
Interesting...
With so many teams running some form of this play, is it still effective?
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Post by ccscoach on Apr 19, 2007 10:10:53 GMT -6
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 19, 2007 10:41:32 GMT -6
Tog, have you seen a D1 school run GT read as a triple? I know some are running wrap as a read.
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Post by tog on Apr 19, 2007 12:24:42 GMT -6
jh
haven't seen many run tripl out of the gun
arkansas did some stuff like that i think not too long ago with the big tall qb that is now a wr for the jags though
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Post by chs96 on Apr 19, 2007 14:01:47 GMT -6
TOG- Dosnt ATM run the triple out of it?
2 Back Shotgun- run zone (give) read (keep) with one and then send the other back over the top as the pitch man.
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 19, 2007 14:11:38 GMT -6
Who is ATM? Are those the guys that are loaded with money?
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Post by coachcb on Apr 19, 2007 14:15:16 GMT -6
ATM- Texas A&M. Yes, the Aggies run a lot of triple out of the gun, including veer, zone read, and wrap. They put on a serious option show this year.
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Post by tog on Apr 19, 2007 14:42:28 GMT -6
I know they run a lot of veer but haven't seen em enough to know if it was triple or not
i really don't get to watch very much football on TV at all
i do get to watch a ton of HS film though
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 19, 2007 15:59:46 GMT -6
I thought Al Gore invented the Internet.
Thinking more about it I do think I read somewhere that Northwestern picked it up from Clemson and Tulane. But I could be wrong.
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Post by coachwoody on Apr 22, 2007 12:27:06 GMT -6
Watching the gator bowl this year between WV and GA tech, the announcer said at one of Coach Rod's earlier schools his QB forgot to hand off the ball and busted a big one in practice and then he put it in the playbook.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2007 8:51:32 GMT -6
Interesting note: Just watched my old video of Florida State vs. Notre Dame from 1993 and Charlie Ward ran something very similar to the zone read. He's in Gun, fakes the crossface zone, keeps the ball out the backside. But not blocked right. I don't think it was a true zone READ. Don't think he was reading backside.
Still, interesting to see it that far back and how it evolved.
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Post by spreadattack on May 11, 2007 11:42:12 GMT -6
I think it was Rodriguez when he was at Glenville State which is division 2 now and was NAIA back then this would be early to mid 1990's This is the version I'd heard. Rodriguez was at Glenville, which was moribund and lackluster. Said he developed the shotgun-spread stuff with an eye to being a bit of a kind of 4-wide "run and gun" style team, and they wanted to do the zone stuff from gun. As a poster above said, the QB missed the handoff a few times in practice and took off an ran. Tommy Bowden took over at Tulane and wanted a fresh offensive mind, and by that time Rodriguez was putting up huge numbers. Northwestern got the zone-read from Rodriguez during the Tulane/Clemson days, and the rest is history. Now that said, this doesn't mean that no one else was actually doing this same thing. It just means that the strain of it that went through college football really flowed from Rodriguez. The zone read will continue to work because it is based on a very simple insight--defenders don't like not knowing who has the ball. Also, it works with most of these gun-runs because you don't block the pursuit. Some counters have arisen (scraping the backer over and crashing the DE) but it's a solid play. I never have looked at it as an offense unto itself, but it's a good play. The option stuff off the zone read is another matter. I think this is good but if you look at who gets blocked and doesn't get blocked on the traditional triple and the zone-read triple, I think the zone-read stuff is less sound (but that doesn't mean less effective, at least for awhile!). On the traditional triple you're reading the guy who will or will not make the tackle (DT, then DE), or DE and OLB), and double teaming the other guys at the point of attack, while the gun-zone read stuff seems to me more attenuated. You read the backside DE, but that doesn't mean your frontside combos worked well, and even if the DE crashes the flow could go the other way. Just some thoughts. Good plays, for sure. |
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Post by airman on May 11, 2007 16:15:22 GMT -6
randy walker was using the read on the counter play out of shotgun back in the 1990s at miami of ohio. aka the cradle of coaches.
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Post by phantom on May 11, 2007 16:22:42 GMT -6
who first started doing zone read, gt read stuff from the gun? and what were they doing before, and had they come from an option background? If somebody researched it all the way they'd probably find out that some small school HS coach in Texas started it 20 years ago. |
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Post by tvt50 on Jun 13, 2007 6:44:43 GMT -6
In the 2007 Nike COY Manual- Rich Rod says that his QB in 1991 invented the zone read when he did not hand the ball off on the zone. Rod asked him why he didnt hand the ball off and the QB told him he was reading the end. Rich said we're running that next week.
So it was his QB at Glenville State that invented the zone read.
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