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Post by blb on May 22, 2015 16:37:17 GMT -6
Recruiting the halls sucks! Seriously, though...I've stopped doing this. I know this will draw criticism from some, but I firmly believe that if a kid needs to be begged to play, they aren't going to help you anyway...not by a long shot. I train my leaders how to recruit other RKG's. We HAVE been successful there. But me just looking at bodies and saying, "son, what's your name and why aren't you playing football?" Nah. I don't beg but I do ask. Kids are funny and sometimes they can be indecisive about what they want to do. Sometimes all that needs to happen is for somebody to ask. We got one of our all-time best players that way. If a coach at Lafayette HS didn't ask a chubby basketball player to play football nobody would ever have seen Lawrence Taylor play.
Your point is taken but I doubt if the Lafayette coach was trying to talk LT into coming out to play either OT or DT.
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Post by fantom on May 22, 2015 16:51:36 GMT -6
I don't beg but I do ask. Kids are funny and sometimes they can be indecisive about what they want to do. Sometimes all that needs to happen is for somebody to ask. We got one of our all-time best players that way. If a coach at Lafayette HS didn't ask a chubby basketball player to play football nobody would ever have seen Lawrence Taylor play.
Your point is taken but I doubt if the Lafayette coach was trying to talk LT into coming out to play either OT or DT.
He didn't play QB.
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Post by blb on May 22, 2015 16:56:32 GMT -6
Your point is taken but I doubt if the Lafayette coach was trying to talk LT into coming out to play either OT or DT.
He didn't play QB.
No, but topic is recruiting halls for linemen, not HOF OLBers.
Doubt if LT ever played a snap at any level with a hand on the ground.
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Post by fantom on May 22, 2015 17:06:59 GMT -6
No, but topic is recruiting halls for linemen, not HOF OLBers.
Doubt if LT ever played a snap at any level with a hand on the ground.
I beg to differ. I know that school. Their guys went both ways. I'm pretty sure that he played OL.
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 23, 2015 16:04:40 GMT -6
Middle school is the age to hook a kid who's not on the team and not playing another sport.
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Post by coach2013 on May 23, 2015 17:31:55 GMT -6
center=cut by baseball right guard= cut by basketball left guard= quit lacrosse right tackle= doesn't spend as much time playing Halo left tackle= just football, all he cares about qb= just football and track fb= just football and track hb= captain of two sports, cut by basketball wb= quit basketball, focused on football, now back to basketball and strongest guy on their roster te= cut by basketball and baseball wr= still plays baseball , but by basketball
top subs: ol=quit lacrosse ol= playing baseball, huge but never lifts ol= playing lacrosse, never lifts ol= video game superstar rb= cut by basketball rb= cut by basketball rb= baseball and baseketball star, never lifts wr= aau basketball junkie, never lifts wr= baseball and basketball, never lifts qb= lacrosse, lifts until lacrosse starts
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Post by blb on May 24, 2015 14:18:08 GMT -6
No, but topic is recruiting halls for linemen, not HOF OLBers.
Doubt if LT ever played a snap at any level with a hand on the ground.
I beg to differ. I know that school. Their guys went both ways. I'm pretty sure that he played OL.
I stand corrected, bow to superior knowledge.
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Post by joe83843 on May 24, 2015 15:17:22 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but with lineman especially it's important to get them in the program and get them hooked in middle school. By the time HS rolls around they've already made up their minds. As a lineman you never score touchdowns or otherwise become the center of attention unless you make a mistake. Because of that, it's incredibly hard to hold on to these kids until varsity if they're constantly losing games and not getting any type of positive attention before that level.
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Post by fantom on May 24, 2015 16:13:08 GMT -6
I beg to differ. I know that school. Their guys went both ways. I'm pretty sure that he played OL.
I stand corrected, bow to superior knowledge.
Well, it's only superior because I live down the road a little. Thankfully, LT graduated a couple of years before I got here.
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Post by blb on May 24, 2015 16:39:11 GMT -6
I stand corrected, bow to superior knowledge.
Well, it's only superior because I live down the road a little. Thankfully, LT graduated a couple of years before I got here.
Timing is everything.
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Post by holmesbend on May 24, 2015 17:42:20 GMT -6
Middle school is the age to hook a kid who's not on the team and not playing another sport. Totally agree.
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Post by windigo on May 27, 2015 14:19:42 GMT -6
I really disagree with that. The fact of the matter is that linemen are endomorphs. In their natural untrained state they are very out of shape. Their endocrine system is all messed up, they have very high estrogen and low testosterone. And quite frankly athletics is so painful for them when they first start that they usually quit. They are weak, shy, awkward, and have no self confidence. Instead of thinking about throwing these kids in the deep end of the pool focus on fixing the underlying issues first. Start a big mans power lifting program, get them into the weight room and have them do some very very very light weight exercise. Go very easy on them. Don't put them on some intense high met program. Dont pressure them to join football. Just get them out of their shell. It seriously needs to be like planet fitness. These kids have a very high ceiling but they start out as fragile as glass physically, mentally, and emotionally. That has to be fixed first. That strongest men on the planet are almost all endomorphs. The best offensive linemen are almost all endomorphs. Inside every dough-boy is a genetic freak waiting to be born. Your Adonis mesomorphs wish they had the bone structure and physical potential that the fat shy kid with his head down in the hall has.
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Post by hammer66 on May 28, 2015 4:48:44 GMT -6
I really disagree with that. The fact of the matter is that linemen are endomorphs. In their natural untrained state they are very out of shape. Their endocrine system is all messed up, they have very high estrogen and low testosterone. And quite frankly athletics is so painful for them when they first start that they usually quit. They are weak, shy, awkward, and have no self confidence. Instead of thinking about throwing these kids in the deep end of the pool focus on fixing the underlying issues first. Start a big mans power lifting program, get them into the weight room and have them do some very very very light weight exercise. Go very easy on them. Don't put them on some intense high met program. Dont pressure them to join football. Just get them out of their shell. It seriously needs to be like planet fitness. These kids have a very high ceiling but they start out as fragile as glass physically, mentally, and emotionally. That has to be fixed first. That strongest men on the planet are almost all endomorphs. The best offensive linemen are almost all endomorphs. Inside every dough-boy is a genetic freak waiting to be born. Your Adonis mesomorphs wish they had the bone structure and physical potential that the fat shy kid with his head down in the hall has. So freaking true.... its very rare to find an OLINE kid that is ready to roll day one with the kind of mentality needed. It takes time and alot of work....encouragement. Most of these types have not played any type of sports before especially football. We just started Spring Ball this week. I have 18 potentials. About 3 of them are ready to go because they played alot last year. I have about 8 others that could potentially add value. Those kids were the ones that are mentioned above. The rest need alot of attention... encouragment. I spoke to one after practice last night and he said his head was spinning. I said no problem its going to...no worries. Just give the effort to get better and you wont ever get an ear full from me. Today's garbage can could be a potential player with the right push.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 6:40:36 GMT -6
The problem with most big, most being what is walking down your hallways, is that they require a massive amount of reps. You cant get eight of those kids the number of reps they need, much less a number like fifteen. While those kids may have some hidden athleticism, if you recruit the body type instead of the size, Those bodies do not need the reps. If you want those big, it is my opinion you need to get into the middle schools and start recruiting them there. And if possible start getting them into your weight before they take a class high school.
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Post by windigo on May 28, 2015 9:27:06 GMT -6
So freaking true.... its very rare to find an OLINE kid that is ready to roll day one with the kind of mentality needed. It takes time and alot of work....encouragement. Most of these types have not played any type of sports before especially football. We just started Spring Ball this week. I have 18 potentials. About 3 of them are ready to go because they played alot last year. I have about 8 others that could potentially add value. Those kids were the ones that are mentioned above. The rest need alot of attention... encouragment. I spoke to one after practice last night and he said his head was spinning. I said no problem its going to...no worries. Just give the effort to get better and you wont ever get an ear full from me. Today's garbage can could be a potential player with the right push. Also kids that are just meromorphic freaks tend not to appreciate their coaches. It always comes easy for them so they are frequently the ones who are an attitude problem. But those kids who are projects; when you build them up more as a man than as a football player. When they know that you care and you saw potential in them before they saw it in themselves. They are insanely loyal. They will go to hell and back for you.
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Post by hammer66 on May 28, 2015 9:39:23 GMT -6
So freaking true.... its very rare to find an OLINE kid that is ready to roll day one with the kind of mentality needed. It takes time and alot of work....encouragement. Most of these types have not played any type of sports before especially football. We just started Spring Ball this week. I have 18 potentials. About 3 of them are ready to go because they played alot last year. I have about 8 others that could potentially add value. Those kids were the ones that are mentioned above. The rest need alot of attention... encouragment. I spoke to one after practice last night and he said his head was spinning. I said no problem its going to...no worries. Just give the effort to get better and you wont ever get an ear full from me. Today's garbage can could be a potential player with the right push. Also kids that are just meromorphic freaks tend not to appreciate their coaches. It always comes easy for them so they are frequently the ones who are an attitude problem. But those kids who are projects; when you build them up more as a man than as a football player. When they know that you care and you saw potential in them before they saw it in themselves. They are insanely loyal. They will go to hell and back for you. ABSOLUTELY! Agree on that. We just talked about that yesterday. I mentioned kids that I have that are less talented but want to do it right...vs kids that have talent and want to do it there way. Give me the kids that want to please you as a coach any day and we can win some games.....
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 9:58:09 GMT -6
Also kids that are just meromorphic freaks tend not to appreciate their coaches. It always comes easy for them so they are frequently the ones who are an attitude problem. But those kids who are projects; when you build them up more as a man than as a football player. When they know that you care and you saw potential in them before they saw it in themselves. They are insanely loyal. They will go to hell and back for you. ABSOLUTELY! Agree on that. We just talked about that yesterday. I mentioned kids that I have that are less talented but want to do it right...vs kids that have talent and want to do it there way. Give me the kids that want to please you as a coach any day and we can win some games..... Less talented kids will work harder, but the coaching is easier, where as a talented will make a coach work. A talented kid does not need the reps a dough boy needs. They require more from their coach. There in is the problem with talented kids and coaching. The kids know the coach cannot take them any further, and if the coach honest, and they had that type of talent, they would zone out the coaching, much less the athlete they are coaching.
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