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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:40:34 GMT -6
I have a job offer on the table to do some consulting work for a perennial power in my area (well, it's about an hour away) and I think it'd be good experience. The biggest drawback, is since I'm not a teacher (I own my own business), I will no longer be an on the field coach. As most probably know, I love the schematics of the game, but I've never had just that. I've always had the schematic, PLUS the interactions with the players. I'm honored that I was offered the position, but I'm a bit skeptical about not actually coaching. Anyone ever done this? I don't think I'd make it a permanent move, but I think it would gain me valuable experience for in the future if I were to make a career switch to teaching. Anyhow, just looking for a sounding board out there to see if anyone's ever done anything like this. Thanks guys.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 13, 2015 20:05:31 GMT -6
you will like it for a couple of weeks and then miss the kids...I hate to say this but its HS football what the big deal with going with a "perennial power"?...i think you know my story from 2 seasons ago..I wasn't a consultant but did a recruiting gig..I hated not having any sort of relationship w/ the kids
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 20:12:46 GMT -6
you will like it for a couple of weeks and then miss the kids...I hate to say this but its HS football what the big deal with going with a "perennial power"?...i think you know my story from 2 seasons ago..I wasn't a consultant but did a recruiting gig..I hated not having any sort of relationship w/ the kids What if your only other option was to leave the game? Would that change your mind? Duece |
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Post by Chris Clement on May 13, 2015 21:59:24 GMT -6
Why do they want someone just to consult_
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 22:16:20 GMT -6
Why do they want someone just to consult_ If it were possible for me to coach there, they'd have me doing that, unfortunately due to circumstances, that can't happen, so the consulting option is all. Duece |
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Post by fantom on May 13, 2015 22:24:15 GMT -6
Why do they want someone just to consult_ If it were possible for me to coach there, they'd have me doing that, unfortunately due to circumstances, that can't happen, so the consulting option is all. Duece How much does it pay? |
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Post by tothehouse on May 13, 2015 22:44:19 GMT -6
I don't know Duece. Even if I was paid...I think that would suck. Draw everything up...teach some other coach what you know? It's like you're a surrogate coach.  And what happens when they win a title and don't give you credit? Just playin. I don't know...I think I'd rather be on the grass getting dirty. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 4:36:47 GMT -6
If it were possible for me to coach there, they'd have me doing that, unfortunately due to circumstances, that can't happen, so the consulting option is all. Duece How much does it pay? Don't know yet. There are some particulars I'd rather not put on here, so you're having to make your opinions w/only part of the story. It is also completely temporary. Just a stepping stone, a resume builder, and great learning experience, with the chance to work w/some great coaches. Duece |
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Post by utchuckd on May 14, 2015 6:24:05 GMT -6
I don't think it sounds like a bad gig at all, especially if it fits within the bigger career track picture.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 14, 2015 7:27:09 GMT -6
Are you still dabbling with the younger kids?
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Post by wingtol on May 14, 2015 7:39:34 GMT -6
What would your role be with in the program? I just am wondering because I have never really heard of this at a HS level. I would be worried about how receptive the coaches would be to having a consultant around ie who the hell is this guy and why is he telling us what to do? stuff like that.
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Post by coachphillip on May 14, 2015 7:43:05 GMT -6
How frustrating would it be to be able to see the errors on film but never be able to get out on the grass to fix any of them? Just a thought. If it's that or nothing, then how would you feel about sitting out a year or two?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:03:11 GMT -6
Let me rephrase "perennial power". It's more like "perennial power, with average athletes". In other words, these guys can coach. I know most of them and they know me, and a few I know quite well. It isn't like Joe Coach just walked up to me and said "Hey, come consult for me...". No, I know these guys, have coached against them, been friends w/some of them etc. I wouldn't be a total newbie to some of them. Others, yes, I'd be the new guy, I get that. But for career development, I think it would be worth it. My role in the program would be the consultant to the DC. I would break down film and help prepare game plans, and would then oversee the guys in the booth on Friday nights as well as watching the "big picture" unfold on the field.
To be honest, the whole "take a few years off" thing, concerns me. Number one, I've never not had football in my life since I was 7 years old, so it would be a pretty big hole in my life. I think it's a way to "sort of" take a few years off, but constantly be clinicing and learning the entire time, as well as being a part of a very good staff and program. I'd be like an "insider" who would be gaining knowledge, but also contributing. I think, given my current situation, it's a win-win. Again, hard for me to put specifics up here, so many are making judgement without all the facts. I was really looking for coaches who had actually done this to see what they had to say. Please don't take this as a slight, but I wasn't looking for guys currently coaching trying to step into my shoes, to be honest we'd be on the same level. I was looking for anyone who'd done it and could relay their experience with their situation. Again, not a slight, and I appreciate the comments, just not what I was looking for.
Duece
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Post by coachgtiller on May 14, 2015 8:10:58 GMT -6
Duece, I know you're not much of an Urban fan but he's said multiple times that his few years off really helped him become a better coach. I know you can talk X's and O's with the best of them, I've followed your blog religiously the last few years. But maybe it's a chance to still be around the game and learn from some quality coaches and become a better coach without completely walking away. But without knowing the whole situation it's hard for me to say and only you know what's best for you.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 9:02:17 GMT -6
Duece, I know you're not much of an Urban fan but he's said multiple times that his few years off really helped him become a better coach. I know you can talk X's and O's with the best of them, I've followed your blog religiously the last few years. But maybe it's a chance to still be around the game and learn from some quality coaches and become a better coach without completely walking away. But without knowing the whole situation it's hard for me to say and only you know what's best for you. Thanks and I appreciate that. Yes, not an Urban fan, but also his situation is so far different than mine, it's like comparing apples and planets. Lol. I did "somewhat" take a few years off from the HS game to coach junior high ball and that did help me. I do feel I was able to become a better coach at that point. My situation is very inflexible. I don't have the ability to move right now, so I'm pretty rooted where I'm at, which is of considerable distance to the next available HS coaching job. I think this gig would be a way to take time off, get some things in order that would allow me to become more "mobile", all the while learning from an excellent set of coaches. Duece |
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Post by dubber on May 14, 2015 12:13:51 GMT -6
Is this the only way you can stay involved with a football season?
More importantly, would you have gameday duties?
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Post by jgordon1 on May 14, 2015 12:28:29 GMT -6
you will like it for a couple of weeks and then miss the kids...I hate to say this but its HS football what the big deal with going with a "perennial power"?...i think you know my story from 2 seasons ago..I wasn't a consultant but did a recruiting gig..I hated not having any sort of relationship w/ the kids What if your only other option was to leave the game? Would that change your mind? Duece yes I probably would take it then...I did take a year off one time and enjoyed it |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 16:29:07 GMT -6
Is this the only way you can stay involved with a football season? More importantly, would you have gameday duties? Yes and yes. Duece |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 16:30:23 GMT -6
I also get the whole "year off" thing too, but I think you should do that if you have the feeling "I don't want to coach anymore". I'm not burnt out, I just don't want to coach "here" anymore...big difference IMO.
Duece
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Post by fballcoachg on May 14, 2015 20:47:45 GMT -6
If you have no other coaching options then yes, jump in. However, I would make it absolutely clear what my role was and how my dynamic on the staff/in the grand scheme of things is. You don't want to get in to it and by week three of the season have the whole situation change. But as long as it was all laid out I'd do it.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 15, 2015 9:00:14 GMT -6
I could see myself doing that someday..be like an analyst. I suppose you could go out to practice and watch/comment from time to time. you might be able to develop some sort of relationship w/ a kid or two.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 9:25:45 GMT -6
I could see myself doing that someday..be like an analyst. I suppose you could go out to practice and watch/comment from time to time. you might be able to develop some sort of relationship w/ a kid or two. Interestingly enough the job has this potential, and from there, depending on what I want to do could work into a coaching gig. Who knows?! Duece |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 16, 2015 6:03:17 GMT -6
I could see myself doing that someday..be like an analyst. I suppose you could go out to practice and watch/comment from time to time. you might be able to develop some sort of relationship w/ a kid or two. Interestingly enough the job has this potential, and from there, depending on what I want to do could work into a coaching gig. Who knows?! Duece I don't really see any downside to this opportunity @duece |
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Post by lions23 on May 16, 2015 10:31:53 GMT -6
When I started coaching I did football basketball and track. My HC in basketball more or less got let go. My buddy who was an assistant took a job at a good program down the road. I was newly engaged and thought I would take the winter off.
My buddy told his new HC about me and they asked me to scout some opponents and to do some self scouting. For me personally, I loved it. They gave me film and told me when they needed reports by. I gave them all kinds of analysis.
No bus rides. No getting home on a Tuesday travel night at 1:00am. No holiday tourneys. But I got to stay in the game and have the creative conversations with coaches. They appreciated me plenty and went on a run to 2nd in state. I loved it and I never sat on the bench. The HC was great to talk to and I learned a lot about managing a program and kids.
My buddy is a HC now and I do it for him occasionally still. He keeps me close enough to the game and my wife is happy at least in the winter.
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Post by dubber on May 16, 2015 12:22:53 GMT -6
Is this the only way you can stay involved with a football season? More importantly, would you have gameday duties? Yes and yes. Duece There you go. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 10:41:37 GMT -6
Sounds to me like you've already decided to do it and you're just looking for validation or approval. Options: Consult or no football at all...hmm...well...ugly girl or no girl at all for a year... 2 years ago we had a "consultant" type coach. Granted he was once a position coach, got mad, spiked a ball off a kid and the HC didn't fire him, but he didn't let him back on the grass, so he was the "consultant" coach. He did all the HUDL stuff, etc. like you are saying. Personally, I thought that was great! Saved so much time. Yes I pretty much have made up my mind, however there's an old saying "you can't see the forest for the trees". I want to make sure, if there was anyone out there who'd done this before, what the pitfalls of a job of this sort would be. Anyhow, I'm still keeping my options open, just thought I'd poll you fine gentlemen to see if anyone else had done this kind of work. Duece |
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Post by fantom on May 18, 2015 10:51:18 GMT -6
Sounds to me like you've already decided to do it and you're just looking for validation or approval. Options: Consult or no football at all...hmm...well...ugly girl or no girl at all for a year... 2 years ago we had a "consultant" type coach. Granted he was once a position coach, got mad, spiked a ball off a kid and the HC didn't fire him, but he didn't let him back on the grass, so he was the "consultant" coach. He did all the HUDL stuff, etc. like you are saying. Personally, I thought that was great! Saved so much time. Yes I pretty much have made up my mind, however there's an old saying "you can't see the forest for the trees". I want to make sure, if there was anyone out there who'd done this before, what the pitfalls of a job of this sort would be. Anyhow, I'm still keeping my options open, just thought I'd poll you fine gentlemen to see if anyone else had done this kind of work. Duece I'd do it. In fact I almost did. During my year off I was close to going back as an unpaid volunteer assistant OL coach. I would have only had to show up for Sunday staff meetings, Tuesday offensive practice, and games, no game planning or practice prep. It fell through but I would have do it so go ahead. |
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Post by dytmook on May 18, 2015 11:20:12 GMT -6
I'm not consulting in that sense but this summer a buddy of mine is taking over a program that didn't have a varsity team last year and I'm going to help him install in the summer, at least with his oline stuff. I'm sure if they have a game on different days than us I will go help him in the box, but nothing too fancy.
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Post by tothehouse on May 18, 2015 14:25:41 GMT -6
Duece...I can send you game film on Hudl and you can mark it up for me. Just playin. |
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Post by coachwoodall on May 18, 2015 20:00:36 GMT -6
Effing A, if I ever get a HC job, you're coming up to clinic and install the flex bone and split field coverage.
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