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Post by collier on Apr 14, 2015 19:18:32 GMT -6
In Georgia THUD is the same as FULL CONTACT. Coach Collier message me, Im 6A but I can help you. I 2 platoon so it's easier for me. Monday will be all contact, Tuesday and Wednesday we will do our THUD practices. If you are full contact Monday and thud (which is the same as full contact in GA) Tuesday and Wednesday, you are in violation of the rules because the rules state you cannot have 3 consecutive full contact days.
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Post by utchuckd on Apr 14, 2015 20:00:23 GMT -6
Just got back from our meeting. For us the 30 minutes, 3 times a week is for in season/post season. Pre-season rules are mostly like last year (no 2 a days on consecutive days, etc). Sounded to me like a lot of people are going to walk the line of what is considered a predetermined winner in a drill. If they have the ones beating the scout team and the scouts not tackling to the ground they don't consider that full contact. That sounds like a fine line to me, at best. Also instead of rotating them, you can split your ones and twos, do 15 minutes of inside with the ones while the twos are elsewhere doing something, then bring the twos in and send the ones off. 15 minutes for each group instead of 30 for all if you rotated.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 14, 2015 20:01:21 GMT -6
In Georgia THUD is the same as FULL CONTACT. Coach Collier message me, Im 6A but I can help you. I 2 platoon so it's easier for me. Monday will be all contact, Tuesday and Wednesday we will do our THUD practices. If you are full contact Monday and thud (which is the same as full contact in GA) Tuesday and Wednesday, you are in violation of the rules because the rules state you cannot have 3 consecutive full contact days. I meant Control not Contact
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Post by collier on Apr 15, 2015 4:55:04 GMT -6
If you are full contact Monday and thud (which is the same as full contact in GA) Tuesday and Wednesday, you are in violation of the rules because the rules state you cannot have 3 consecutive full contact days. I meant Control not Contact Got ya. I am thinking we will do something similar and also have Tuesday as a defensive contact day (so they can have all 30 mins) and Wednesday as an offensive contact day.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 15, 2015 7:13:37 GMT -6
We are switching to a shells-only wednesday and full pads thursday to adhere to the 3 day-rule this year. This is uncharted territory for me- I've always been a Mon-Wed contact, Thursday run through type of guy...
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Post by collier on Apr 16, 2015 5:56:10 GMT -6
Sounded to me like a lot of people are going to walk the line of what is considered a predetermined winner in a drill. If they have the ones beating the scout team and the scouts not tackling to the ground they don't consider that full contact. That sounds like a fine line to me, at best. This is the main issue to me. What constitutes a pre-determined winner? Just like you said, if our first O is out there (who is obviously always going to be the pre-determined winner in practice) vs the scouts, and the scouts aren't tackling to the ground, what's different from that and a thud period? I think all of this will amount to teams continuing to have "thud" periods like we always have, but naming them a "control" "pre-determined" winner period because it's 1s vs scouts. In essence changing nothing. It just goes to show that state associations really don't care what you do or how you interpret the rules, they just want liability on us rather than them.
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Post by collier on Apr 16, 2015 6:00:59 GMT -6
This is all eerily similar to the heat policies issued a few years ago. It's a good policy with good intentions. The state associations however don't give a rip if you follow the rules or not,as soon as a kid falls out though its our rear end and not theirs.
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Post by tbel57 on Apr 18, 2015 9:11:48 GMT -6
It's really going to hurt schools that cannot 2 platoon. I have been trying to figure out a way to practice close to the way we have in the past, but I think that will be impossible. I understand the player safety involved, but it is really going to be hard to get what we need.
I think what you do also plays a big role in this as well. We are a running football team, which I think will make it harder than a spread team that throws it around a lot. You can run your routes with no contact, but working on pass pro will be an issue for those teams as well. I guess the OLine coaches, which I am one, will have thier work cut of for them now more than ever.
Good luck to everyone figuring this out.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 20, 2015 6:10:17 GMT -6
I agree tbel. It may be harder for teams with lower numbers to "feel" like they get enough done. Honestly I don't know the answer. If I were in a situation like this, I think I'd continue to make things O or D emphasis days, and the emphasis day gets the live reps from a varsity standpoint.
I'm not a big "rep" guy- I believe in quality over quantity. There's no need for my starting Mike to be bashing some JV kid's head in for 20mins at a time. Get in, get good reps, get out. Same with my RB. The same should be in effect for my linemen.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 13:43:46 GMT -6
I was just thinking about this policy, as I live in TN and coach OL/DL. I'm not sure how to coach that stuff up without a pretty heavy dose of regular "contact."
Then it hit me: the rule doesn't say "30 minutes of contact drills per day." It says "30 minutes of contact" per day.
If you only count the time each individual player spends in contact situations, which would be whistle to whistle during drills, then I doubt any player ever gets 30 min. of contact in practice on any day, even during the regular season.
What I mean is that you may work 10 minutes of 3 on 3, but if each player only gets 1-2 actual reps per minute (because you're rotating other groups in and out), then that player may really only get about 1:30 of actual "contact" from the drill. That's just a drop in the bucket.
Anyone else taking this approach in states that have instituted similar rules?
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Post by utchuckd on May 16, 2015 17:23:31 GMT -6
I was just thinking about this policy, as I live in TN and coach OL/DL. I'm not sure how to coach that stuff up without a pretty heavy dose of regular "contact." Then it hit me: the rule doesn't say "30 minutes of contact drills per day." It says "30 minutes of contact" per day. If you only count the time each individual player spends in contact situations, which would be whistle to whistle during drills, then I doubt any player ever gets 30 min. of contact in practice on any day, even during the regular season. What I mean is that you may work 10 minutes of 3 on 3, but if each player only gets 1-2 actual reps per minute (because you're rotating other groups in and out), then that player may really only get about 1:30 of actual "contact" from the drill. That's just a drop in the bucket. Anyone else taking this approach in states that have instituted similar rules? Per TSSAA rules meeting it's 'per group'. So if you do 10 minutes of full contact, it counts for everybody that was in that drill.
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