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Post by natenator on Apr 4, 2015 8:40:51 GMT -6
I coach summer ball and our HC wants to start incorporating them to amp up competitive drive which I am fine with. The problem is he tries to make these drills into more than they are intended to be by combining drills to save time.
2 OL, 1 QB, 1 WR, 1 RB
1 DL, 1 LB, 1 DB
I see zero competition or learning from such drills. First we have about 50% of our DL who have never or barely ever played before. They are going to get their ass whipped (most of these kids are still at the stance/start phase lol) and probably kill their competitive drive instead of trying to foster it.
Those OL are absolutely going to combo block the one DL and seal the LB while the Rb runs to day llight. Oh yeah, great drill.
HC doesn't seem to see the error here lol
For the record I like a TRUE okie drill as there is purpose in that both from a competitive standpoint and a technique/physical standpoint.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 4, 2015 10:27:55 GMT -6
The "expanded Okie" is ok, I think the problem is that you've got an imbalance between the skill level of your OL and DL.
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 4, 2015 11:57:27 GMT -6
Start with 1v1 drills where you're just trying to get them to embrace competing and giving it all they've got. We do a daily period called 'Pits' where it's ol/dl, RB/lb, WR/db and the whole goal is just to drive the man in front of you as far as you can. When we play every play with the intensity that we get in Pits, we're a dominant football team.
Once they've got that, expand and incorporate more bodies in a controlled manner.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 4, 2015 13:24:39 GMT -6
What level is summer ball for? What would you call a true okie drill? We have moved more to the vortex drill with one on ones between the dl/OL then rb/lb and last the wr/db five yards apart with the lane getting bigger for the rb to run through.
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Post by agap on Apr 4, 2015 16:05:42 GMT -6
Does the true Okie drill really have a purpose? If it's about technique, than it does have a purpose. But if you just want to see who is more physical and all that, than what's the point? The best players I've coached never looked good during Okie drill, but they always got the job done on Friday nights. Plus there's always a few players that get hurt from Okie drill if the focus isn't on technique.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 4, 2015 16:36:20 GMT -6
When we have done it we have often held our best guys out. Either already banged up or didn't need them banged up in Okie.
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Post by spartandefense on Apr 4, 2015 16:41:32 GMT -6
Try the Funnel Drill. More reps three levels which makes for easier position coaching with more individualized locations and stances, and you also get a little pursuit angle thrown in. We started doing it for pre game. Quick whistle never had an injury.
I think 1 on 1 Oklahoma w/Rb is about as much contact as you need. when you have 2 on 2 with LB and RB you get the biggest collisions.
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Post by jcamerot on Apr 4, 2015 17:34:41 GMT -6
Vortex / Funnel drill referred to by earlier posters has been much more productive and 'game situational' for all positions--the only change we made to it (because of risk of injury) is once the RB clears the D-Lineman, he can't chase down the funnel and 'blow up' the RB from behind.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 4, 2015 19:22:39 GMT -6
We do okie 1on1 with RB and LB.
We love vortex drill.
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Post by natenator on Apr 5, 2015 5:44:48 GMT -6
Can someone explain or provide a video for the vortex drill?
As a DC I care 90% about the technique required in an Okie drill. The ability to engage a block, shed the block and make a tackle are what is most important to me. Next 10% is competing to win those match-ups. All position players (DL, LB, DB) need to possess these skills at a base fundamental level.
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Post by jcamerot on Apr 5, 2015 14:29:22 GMT -6
I think this will give you a pretty good video:
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Post by spartandefense on Apr 5, 2015 20:06:09 GMT -6
We actually had out CBs do they bail tech in the funnel drill like they would against a WR. Your guys get a ton of reps and you keep the match ups with similar guys and in their normal stances.
We had coaches at every level coaching their position groups.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 5, 2015 21:42:37 GMT -6
When we have done it we have often held our best guys out. Either already banged up or didn't need them banged up in Okie. This makes no sense to me. If your best players can't do it because they will get hurt... Why in the heck would you have anyone do it? This would have lawsuit written all over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 7:48:11 GMT -6
People have different ideas of what "True Oklahoma Drill" is.
I always thought of it as 1 defender, 1 blocker with a ball carrier to tackle. I like that one to develop physicality and a willingness for contact.
At my old school, it was 2 DL and a PB vs 2 OL and a RB with a QB handing the ball off. That was a mess of bodies landing awkwardly on each other. It was awful. Kids there would get shy and tentative about contact and got hurt all the time in that drill.
At the school before that, we did weekly board drills with the whole team, which had some similarities to Oklahoma. The big difference was that there was no ball carrier or tackle: we just wanted to drive the other guy off the board. That was also the most physical team I've ever coached at a school with a long reputation for brutal, physical play.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 6, 2015 8:24:53 GMT -6
When we have done it we have often held our best guys out. Either already banged up or didn't need them banged up in Okie. This makes no sense to me. If your best players can't do it because they will get hurt... Why in the heck would you have anyone do it? This would have lawsuit written all over it. I wasn't thinking about a lawsuit, but I was sort of thinking the same thing overall. |
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Post by blb on Apr 6, 2015 8:37:09 GMT -6
We used to do "Okie" drill with Varsity first afternoon of full pads (morning was all technique of blocking-block protection and tackling). Have also used what some are calling "Vortex" drill.
We then did 3-on-3 and Half line drills.
Last year our state basically cut by more than half the number of contact practices we can have in Pre-Season, so we dropped them because we just don't have time any more.
Have never done them In-Season because we were focused on game preparation.
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Post by mattharris75 on Apr 6, 2015 9:19:52 GMT -6
This makes no sense to me. If your best players can't do it because they will get hurt... Why in the heck would you have anyone do it? This would have lawsuit written all over it. I wasn't thinking about a lawsuit, but I was sort of thinking the same thing overall. I think it makes some sense. For us it's one of those 'first day in pads' things. When we've got a pretty established guy, whose capabilities we already have a pretty good idea of, we're going to have him do one early rep as an example, and get out of the drill. Because, for us one of the main purposes of the drill is an evaluation tool. It lets you see, without regards to a players knowledge of scheme, how aggressive they are, how they deal with contact, how much they want to be involved (We don't mandate reps, and the guys that jump in the most are telling you something). For kids who are new to the program, or who were younger and not significant contributors in previous years, it's a good opportunity early in camp for us to get a good data point on them or a feel for their development in a pretty confined situation. Every year there's a surprise or two. Are their other ways to evaluate? Sure, it's a constant process regardless of a single drill, but it's been a good tool for us. Not to mention all the kids and coaches love it. |
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Post by Coach.A on Apr 6, 2015 9:35:44 GMT -6
I don't like 'Okie' type drills where there is an equal amount of offensive and defensive players (e.g. RB+OL vs. DL+LB). Essentially you end up with an unblocked defensive player (playing from depth) running directly at a ball carrier in a confined area. These scenarios open the door for massive head on collisions (in confined areas) which rarely occur in actual games. The potential for injury is high and unnecessary in my opinion.
I much prefer versions where the offense has a +1 advantage (e.g. RB+OL vs. DL). Yes the offense has a huge advantage when the drill is run this way and they will "win" the majority of the reps, but make sure the players understand this ahead of time. Throw a party when the defensive player wins a rep.
Like @coacharnold, I don't like the versions of the Okie drill with multiple players in a confined area (e.g. 4 offensive players vs. 3 defensive players)...just too many bodies in a confined area which increase the injury risk. Like the other coaches said, the Funnel/Vortex drill is a better option if you want multiple players involved in each rep of the drill...it provides more space and that +1 advantage for the offense.
All that being said, we rarely do these types of drills.
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