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Post by fantom on Mar 25, 2015 15:31:05 GMT -6
I'll just have to say that, in my stupidity, I believe that the problem below the NFL level is more of a perception problem than a real health issue. I'm happy to see the steps that have been taken to make the sport more safe- concussion protocols, targeting rules, practice restrictions- but I don't see any evidence that, especially with the new rules, HS football causes a great risk of future dementia. read my post again, friend. I did not call you stupid. What I'm saying is that the worst thing we can possibly do is go about our business like our sport (our livelihood for some of us) is not in danger here, because it is. If you really believe that, despite the changes that have been made to make the game safer, the game of football at the high school level is intrinsically dangerous to long-term health then you're a hypocrite. You should resign. Minors age 13-19 cannot legally accept the risk.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 25, 2015 15:52:56 GMT -6
My grandmother had dementia. She watched a lot of football. Ban football. She also read more than anyone I have ever known. Ban books.
My grandfather had dementia when he was 95. He was clear as bell before then. We need to ban all 95 year olds.
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Post by fbs on Mar 26, 2015 8:37:27 GMT -6
read my post again, friend. I did not call you stupid. What I'm saying is that the worst thing we can possibly do is go about our business like our sport (our livelihood for some of us) is not in danger here, because it is. If you really believe that, despite the changes that have been made to make the game safer, the game of football at the high school level is intrinsically dangerous to long-term health then you're a hypocrite. You should resign. Minors age 13-19 cannot legally accept the risk. Are you really that dense? first of all, it's the parents that accept the risk. not the kids. secondly and more importantly, the writing is on the wall. if you don't think that pros quitting because of concussions and all the research coming out isn't going to continue to hurt our sport then I was wrong... you might just be dumb.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 26, 2015 8:46:35 GMT -6
Guys please refrain from the name calling, this thread was not meant to start a biggest d!ck contest. I'd rather this thread to NOT get locked down, take that to PM.
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Post by georgefred86 on Mar 26, 2015 9:45:29 GMT -6
IMO ... this is an issue that started with lawyers and the opportunity to make money off a multi-billion dollar industry ... the NFL. And since it is currently the most popular sport in the United States the concussion issue has gained traction and continues to trickle down to every level of our sport.
Recently, when Chris Borland retired, I was interviewed and asked to give my thoughts to a local news station. I explained the difference with the NFL and high school football is worlds apart ... the NFL is a business and the players are modern day gladiators that understand if they are not practicing or are not playing every snap, there is a man right behind him ready to take his position and his paycheck. It is an ABSOLUTE WIN AT ALL COSTS deal!
That is not the case at our level, in my opinion ... the young men we coach (and all of you that coach at your respective programs) are our children. We have done everything in our power to make the game safer to protect them and still understand there is always going to be a risk playing any competitive team sport. Our varsity soccer program had more concussions (2) than us this fall (1). If we suspect that our players are "dinged" at all they are immediately evaluated and there is no debate with our trainer.
I believe all of us are naive to think that football will always be here because the NFL won't allow it to go away. I am with a lot of you above who think high school football could be gone within the next 10-20 years. It will take only one large lawsuit versus a school district to get the ball rolling. School districts (and school board members) are more in control than ever before, micro-managing all positions/departments and they will eventually say it is not worth the risk or the money.
In addition to making the HS game safer, I also don't believe tackle football should start until 7th grade. Last summer I was listening to Mike and Mike and they had a sports doctor on who had two sons that played football but not until their brain fully developed (12-13 years old). Encourage the play of flag football until then ... I have a nephew that played 3rd grade tackle football in Minnesota and he was hit so hard one practice that he decided at the age of 9 tackle football wasn't for him. I believe we lose as many young players to youth football in the lower grades as we would by not offering tackle football.
Having said that ... and maybe some of you can answer this that don't offer 3rd-6th grade tackle football ... what do we offer the "big boys" because they do lose a little bit of their identity by being an offensive or defensive lineman. Yes they can play flag football too but obviously their size and their skill limits them and their success.
So those are my thoughts on the "STATE OF THE GAME" ... gotta stay ahead of the curve, be proactive and learn all we can to continue to offer this great sport that we all LOVE so much!
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Post by silkyice on Mar 26, 2015 9:52:26 GMT -6
IMO ... this is an issue that started with lawyers and the opportunity to make money off a multi-billion dollar industry ... the NFL. And since it is currently the most popular sport in the United States the concussion issue has gained traction and continues to trickle down to every level of our sport. Recently, when Chris Borland retired, I was interviewed and asked to give my thoughts to a local news station. I explained the difference with the NFL and high school football is worlds apart ... the NFL is a business and the players are modern day gladiators that understand if they are not practicing or are not playing every snap, there is a man right behind him ready to take his position and his paycheck. It is an ABSOLUTE WIN AT ALL COSTS deal! That is not the case at our level, in my opinion ... the young men we coach (and all of you that coach at your respective programs) are our children. We have done everything in our power to make the game safer to protect them and still understand there is always going to be a risk playing any competitive team sport. Our varsity soccer program had more concussions (2) than us this fall (1). If we suspect that our players are "dinged" at all they are immediately evaluated and there is no debate with our trainer. I believe all of us are naive to think that football will always be here because the NFL won't allow it to go away. I am with a lot of you above who think high school football could be gone within the next 10-20 years. It will take only one large lawsuit versus a school district to get the ball rolling. School districts (and school board members) are more in control than ever before, micro-managing all positions/departments and they will eventually say it is not worth the risk or the money. In addition to making the HS game safer, I also don't believe tackle football should start until 7th grade. Last summer I was listening to Mike and Mike and they had a sports doctor on who had two sons that played football but not until their brain fully developed (12-13 years old). Encourage the play of flag football until then ... I have a nephew that played 3rd grade tackle football in Minnesota and he was hit so hard one practice that he decided at the age of 9 tackle football wasn't for him. I believe we lose as many young players to youth football in the lower grades as we would by not offering tackle football. Having said that ... and maybe some of you can answer this that don't offer 3rd-6th grade tackle football ... what do we offer the "big boys" because they do lose a little bit of their identity by being an offensive or defensive lineman. Yes they can play flag football too but obviously their size and their skill limits them and their success. So those are my thoughts on the "STATE OF THE GAME" ... gotta stay ahead of the curve, be proactive and learn all we can to continue to offer this great sport that we all LOVE so much! Excellent post!
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Post by mahonz on Mar 26, 2015 12:30:47 GMT -6
How many coaches on this Forum have actually coached youth Flag?
I have...at many levels... and its far more dangerous than tackle when it comes to all injuries. I have never not once called 911 coaching youth tackle football for a player during a game. I have for an Official that has a seizure during a game. I have called 911 at least dozen times coaching youth Flag during a game. A few of those injuries were just plain awful.
Fellas....Flag is NOT the answer. Its not even a good way to "introduce" the game. I have rookies that join my veteran youth teams all the time with Flag experience. Means nothing. Actually hinders them IMHO.
To insert Flag into the discussion is knee jerk. Its good for the really young to learn how to become part of a team or for the Adults that need some exercise....and more beer.
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Post by fbs on Mar 26, 2015 13:50:14 GMT -6
Guys please refrain from the name calling, this thread was not meant to start a biggest d!ck contest. I'd rather this thread to NOT get locked down, take that to PM. you're right... I apologize.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Mar 26, 2015 15:11:54 GMT -6
The new 8 quarter rule in TN as I understand it states that if you play 1 game, and you play offense and defense, you've used your 8 quarters.
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Post by georgefred86 on Apr 14, 2015 13:57:57 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 14:18:26 GMT -6
it is an intended punch to HS football.
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Post by fantom on Apr 14, 2015 15:55:49 GMT -6
It's not just football. This threatens all high school sports. In fact, since minors cannot legally accept risk, this threatens all of youth sports.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 16:09:23 GMT -6
It's not just football. This threatens all high school sports. In fact, since minors cannot legally accept risk, this threatens all of youth sports. anybody want to bet, that in the worse case scenario, this suit would be dropped if football were to be dropped from organized sports? (read as intent and purpose of lawsuit)
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Post by breakerdog on Apr 14, 2015 16:20:03 GMT -6
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Post by gambler00 on Apr 14, 2015 19:11:59 GMT -6
Football popularity is at an all time high in America today. Offenses are fun to watch and the forward pass is making it safe. Defensive coaches are pulling their hair out trying to keep up while the rules make it tougher. In my opinion the new legislation is already behind. Whenever the west coast offense came into existence the way football practiced changed forever. Most of us on this board are practicing without excessive contact now. I still think we will continue to see rule changes regarding crack back blocks and a few other things but it will eventually trail off. In high school as a student wrestling was the whipping boy as was hockey. They quit fighting and cross checking and designed a new helmet. High school football will continue to ride high mainly because it pays for everything else. The game is safer than ever before and if we teach our players to hit properly injuries will continue to fall. I would feel better about my son playing football than soccer for many reasons. The game is changing but in the end it's still football. I had a coach in California tell me what's more dangerous football practice or kids skAteboarding every day after school. We know the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 20:20:30 GMT -6
Football popularity is at an all time high in America today. Offenses are fun to watch and the forward pass is making it safe. Defensive coaches are pulling their hair out trying to keep up while the rules make it tougher. In my opinion the new legislation is already behind. Whenever the west coast offense came into existence the way football practiced changed forever. Most of us on this board are practicing without excessive contact now. I still think we will continue to see rule changes regarding crack back blocks and a few other things but it will eventually trail off. In high school as a student wrestling was the whipping boy as was hockey. They quit fighting and cross checking and designed a new helmet. High school football will continue to ride high mainly because it pays for everything else. The game is safer than ever before and if we teach our players to hit properly injuries will continue to fall. I would feel better about my son playing football than soccer for many reasons. The game is changing but in the end it's still football. I had a coach in California tell me what's more dangerous football practice or kids skAteboarding every day after school. We know the answer. it isn't necessarily logical. This type of act has unintended consequences. I am sure whoever is pushing this means well, but this a game changer in terms of athletics on any level. Do not look now P.E teachers.
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