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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 16, 2015 9:17:32 GMT -6
DC ohio
So when you say 75 that is basically 10,11,12.. Basically our Varsity and JV guys... The freshmen team (if you have one) are separate and kind of on their own "island" so to speak..
Is that right?
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 16, 2015 10:55:58 GMT -6
DC ohio So when you say 75 that is basically 10,11,12.. Basically our Varsity and JV guys... The freshmen team (if you have one) are separate and kind of on their own "island" so to speak.. Is that right? @dcohio, I'm wondering this, too.
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 16, 2015 11:12:44 GMT -6
If you have numbers and coaches, nothing is better. If you don't have the numbers your depth will suffer. If you have to move up too many sophomores or freshmen to fill spots it can hurt your JV games. Now if you do have numbers there is nothing better. It helps you win games, it helps you in practice. It helps staff meetings. I would say if you are close to having enough numbers it's a good thing. Coach you are spot on... for me I have always coached in a smaller football state. The average 9-12 team has about 50-60 total players. There is only one school in our state that 2 platoons and it is the largest with the wealthiest students. We had a new HC come in to our area and he had always been 2 platoon in his old state which made their average talent much more successful do to all the above mentioned information. So he comes into his new school which hasn't had much success when he took over. He tried to implement 2 platoon and even though they had some good talent they went 0-10. The main issue was in our state most schools just do not have enough players to 2 platoon and he could not get the players needed on the LOS. That coach has gone on to lead that school to one of the top programs in the state by playing players both ways. I really think that coaches have to take in to account how many kids and their talent level compared to other schools. smfreeman, we are in a similar position (small school, 50-60 total 9-12) and are looking into 2 platooning as well (in reality may end up being 1.75 platoon). I have no experience with two platooning as either a player or coach, but what I'm looking to do is the following: First, some players are just 1-way players in my opinion. For example, that receiver who has great measurables and hands but won't tackle my grandma if she was running towards him, or that 5'4" 130 lb scrapper who can reek havoc at Nose, but is too small and slow to play anywhere on offense. Also, MOST QBs aren't great defensive players either. Therefore, you have a handful of players who only go to one position the entire season. The rest you give a #1 and #2 position giving roughly 75% practice time to #1 position time (although I'm thinking more of a 50/50 split for our backup QB). To me, this allows for you to have more practice time for players to learn and work at one position while protecting yourself from injuries. Also, as you know, in a small school you have limited athletes, so sometimes you just don't have any other FB than your best LB. Therefore, you almost have to take your 2-3 stud athletes and play them more as 2-way players. To me, you would end up with 18-20 starters rather than 22. Thoughts from other small school guys?
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Post by agap on Mar 16, 2015 11:43:25 GMT -6
Even if you have 5 players practicing on one side of the ball, you're better off than having everyone practice both ways. There will be a few guys who can't be effective on both sides of the ball. Even at small schools, there probably isn't 100% of the 50-60 players who can play and be effective at two positions. If you have enough coaches, you're better off only practicing some of those guys at one position. Competition is important. But if we have two starting linebackers, we don't need 10 linebackers practicing defense everyday. And do you really need to be 3-4 deep at every position? If you get down to your 3rd or 4th string because of injuries, you're already in trouble whether you had everyone practicing both ways or not.
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Post by medozk on Apr 15, 2015 12:10:41 GMT -6
Does anyone have an example of their practice schedule for 2 platooning. I have never done this before, we always had first hour defense, second hour offense. Now I am anticipating have my position players for the entire practice. Just wondering how you organize it.
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Post by coachjimd on Apr 15, 2015 17:38:22 GMT -6
Not to hijack the thread but how many coaches do you guys that 2 platoon have? I'm thinking this could be a limitation for us
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Post by morris on Apr 15, 2015 17:47:52 GMT -6
Not to hijack the thread but how many coaches do you guys that 2 platoon have? I'm thinking this could be a limitation for us I've often heard this is the biggest hurdle. More the number of coaches than players. We are looking to do it with 6. Three on both sides of the ball. We are a hybrid wing-t type team and a 44 type defense. We could use another guy on defense.
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Post by buck42 on Apr 15, 2015 18:13:10 GMT -6
We tried it one year...we put our best guys on D with two exceptions. We went 0-11...I refuse to lose with my best players standing next to me on the sidelines. We play guys a way and a half but try have as many kids as possible not start both ways.
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 15, 2015 19:56:36 GMT -6
I think the key is the staff.. Having them coach one side of the ball. We have 5 offense and 4 defense... We try to full platoon but out of 50 dressing varsity we will have 4 or so go both ways in spot action.. Basically 0ver 90 percent of the team plays one way and all of the coaches coach one way.. Starting corner will get some reps at wr .. Other corner runs legit 4.4 and its state 55 meter champ.. Returned 4 kicks for td... He will get touches on jets.. Etc.. 2 dline repping and spelling at h back..; maybe one oline spelling at dt.. Other 45 or so go one way and get coached up... none of the two way guys start both ways.. They spell and give offensive depth
this really helps us with our echo system too. Each series just bring the lineman to the end zone tv with their coach.; skill to their wide angle tv with their coach. Helps with live game day adjustment.
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 22, 2017 23:35:56 GMT -6
I think the key is the staff.. Having them coach one side of the ball. We have 5 offense and 4 defense... We try to full platoon but out of 50 dressing varsity we will have 4 or so go both ways in spot action.. Basically 0ver 90 percent of the team plays one way and all of the coaches coach one way.. Starting corner will get some reps at wr .. Other corner runs legit 4.4 and its state 55 meter champ.. Returned 4 kicks for td... He will get touches on jets.. Etc.. 2 dline repping and spelling at h back..; maybe one oline spelling at dt.. Other 45 or so go one way and get coached up... none of the two way guys start both ways.. They spell and give offensive depth this really helps us with our echo system too. Each series just bring the lineman to the end zone tv with their coach.; skill to their wide angle tv with their coach. Helps with live game day adjustment. What does practice look like for you? Are you completely separate or do some guys come over to the other side for like 30 minutes a day?
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Post by okie on Apr 23, 2017 12:28:28 GMT -6
Biggest question in my opinion: establishing second team varsity players and JV players Monday nights.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 23, 2017 13:58:50 GMT -6
I'm hesitant to jump in, because I've never been a part of this, but some advice I've heard over the years:
1. If you've never been full two platoon before, it may be best to start with just the lineman for a whole season and let it grow from there. Especially at the small school level, you probably aren't going to be able to do this 100% in one season. 2. Then, once you do get it rolling through the whole program, do start it with the freshmen: the best athlete in the freshmen class is quarterback; the second and third best athlete MUST start somewhere on defense, because you want them to remain in the program and playing if something happens to the starting quarterback. After that, most decisions will be clear based on strengths of the individual player. 3. OL gets filled last, with some obvious exceptions 4. You will get to the point during an individual season (injuries, matchups, etc.) where some guys will have to play two ways. Therefore during the season, everyone has a ten minute "alternate position" individual session where they will practice their spot on the other side of the ball.
This was from a coach who ran a split back veer system, so his thinking on the QB position was he wanted the best athlete there as a running threat; he felt confident enough he could coach the kid up to be at least an adequate passing threat.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 23, 2017 13:59:53 GMT -6
First school I was at, we loaded up the defense and the offense got what was left over for the most part. Occasionally there was a guy that could really help out the offense, and if there was a backup on defense who was "good enough" we would get the guy for our offense, and spot him in on D if needed.
Granted, this school was blessed with talent so it really wasn't ever an issue.
Where I am at now we are pretty close to a two platoon and it works the same way for the most part, although we do place a higher priority in getting quality OL over the best DL on the field.
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