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Post by dblwngr on Jun 30, 2007 12:23:47 GMT -6
This question came up at work the other day.
Could a great College team ever beat a bad NFL team?
What do you think? Why/Why not?
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Post by dubber on Jun 30, 2007 12:51:41 GMT -6
No.
Great college team------9 to 10 NFLers
Great Pro team---------55 NFLers, plus they are grown men
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Post by midlineqb on Jun 30, 2007 13:09:11 GMT -6
I agree with dubber. The worst NFL team will have an experience edge that the best college team will not. NFL has worked a similar offense for several years while the NCAA team has only been together somewhere between 1 and 5 years.
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Post by khalfie on Jun 30, 2007 13:44:18 GMT -6
Nice post... good question... great answer!
The worst NFL teams is still comprised of the best of the best!
WHich is why it angers me, when Pro's don't cut it, how people want to call them bums and horrible players... which couldn't be further from the truth. They are playing on the highest eschalon of the game. 99% of the population can't cut it!
99% of the population can't cut at the Collegiate level...
It says so much, just that being able to compete at that level. I think with the rise of sports commentary, we have lost perspective, on just how hard it is to compete on the professional level.
College to pros is a huge step, a step most athletes can't make... even some of the best to play the game collegiately.
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Post by coache67 on Jun 30, 2007 14:14:57 GMT -6
No - you guys make great points. This sort of thing comes up all the time around here - could Mount Union beat a MAC school, could St. IGnatius, Colerain, Massilon beat DIII schools. Crazy.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 30, 2007 14:18:58 GMT -6
Just look at all the college studs who wash out in the pros, guys who dominate in college then go to the pros and get cut. It takes a very special player to make the NFL, any team of NFLers would destroy a college team no doubt. The worst player on an NFL roster was one of the best on his college team.
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Post by los on Jun 30, 2007 16:18:23 GMT -6
The college All-Stars seemed to have a better chance of whipping an NFL team. The series started back in the 30's and went thru the mid 70's. After the Superbowl came into existence, the winner of the superbowl would take on the college All-Stars before the start of the nfl reg. season. Over the years the all-stars won 9 games and tied two, with the nfl teams winning the rest of 42-43 meetings. The last all-star team to win was in 1963, I think and featured, Gale Sayers, Butkus, Roger Staubach, etc.., the last two matches put the college all-stars vs the Pittsburg Steelers, during their dynasty years in the mid 70's and were not much of a contest! The all-stars did manage to defeat one of Lombardi's early(pre-superbowl) Packer teams, which had to be quite an accomplishment? Definitely wouldn't want to be a "Packer" after that loss, lol! And oh yeah, I did get a lot of this info off google but remember watching many of these games as a kid thru my early 20's, lol!
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Post by dblwngr on Jun 30, 2007 16:40:45 GMT -6
The college All-Stars seemed to have a better chance of whipping an NFL team. The series started back in the 30's and went thru the mid 70's. After the Superbowl came into existence, the winner of the superbowl would take on the college All-Stars before the start of the nfl reg. season. Over the years the all-stars won 9 games and tied two, with the nfl teams winning the rest of 42-43 meetings. The last all-star team to win was in 1963, I think and featured, Gale Sayers, Butkus, Roger Staubach, etc.., the last two matches put the college all-stars vs the Pittsburg Steelers, during their dynasty years in the mid 70's and were not much of a contest! The all-stars did manage to defeat one of Lombardi's early(pre-superbowl) Packer teams, which had to be quite an accomplishment? Definitely wouldn't want to be a "Packer" after that loss, lol! And oh yeah, I did get a lot of this info off google but remember watching many of these games as a kid thru my early 20's, lol! Wow, very interesting! So we're not just talking about a scrub NFL team taking on a College team, these were Super Bowl teams! HHHMMM, kinda makes you think  |
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Post by los on Jun 30, 2007 16:50:07 GMT -6
Well, sorta winger. The last time the all-stars won was in 63 and there wasn't a superbowl yet then, but there was an nfl championship. So yeah, these were good nfl teams! After the superbowl started in the mid 60's the AFL teams got into the act, when they won the superbowl!
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Post by CVBears on Jun 30, 2007 17:44:00 GMT -6
from espn.go.com/page2/s/list/heisman/flops.html "Wuerffel capped a 10,000-plus-yard throwing career at Florida in his senior year, when he threw for 3,625 yards and 39 TDs while leading the Gators to a national championship. Now, he's reunited with his former Florida coach, Steve Spurrier, who dealt for Wuerffel shortly after he took over as Redskins head coach. Wuerffel had been selected in the fourth round of the 1997 draft by the Saints; in three seasons with New Orleans, he played in only 18 games, tossing 126 completions in 258 passes for 1,404 yards. The Saints cut him after the 2000 season, and the 'Skins got him earlier this year from the Texans in exchange for backup defensive tackle Jerry DeLoach. But Wuerffel has yet to start for the Redskins, thanks, in part, to a disastrous display in the 'Skins final exhibition game, against the Patriots, when he fumbled three times. "They popped him, and he usually fumbled," said Spurrier. "I asked him, 'Why are you fumbling all the time?' And he said, 'I don't know.'" Spurrier added, "Right now, he's not our best one to go play, in my opinion." Even the best college players have trouble cutting it in the pros. Mabye you could say something different between DI-A and DI-AA in college, but not going from college to the pros. |
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Post by khalfie on Jun 30, 2007 18:18:20 GMT -6
The college All-Stars seemed to have a better chance of whipping an NFL team. The series started back in the 30's and went thru the mid 70's. After the Superbowl came into existence, the winner of the superbowl would take on the college All-Stars before the start of the nfl reg. season. Over the years the all-stars won 9 games and tied two, with the nfl teams winning the rest of 42-43 meetings. The last all-star team to win was in 1963, I think and featured, Gale Sayers, Butkus, Roger Staubach, etc.., the last two matches put the college all-stars vs the Pittsburg Steelers, during their dynasty years in the mid 70's and were not much of a contest! The all-stars did manage to defeat one of Lombardi's early(pre-superbowl) Packer teams, which had to be quite an accomplishment? Definitely wouldn't want to be a "Packer" after that loss, lol! And oh yeah, I did get a lot of this info off google but remember watching many of these games as a kid thru my early 20's, lol! Wow, very interesting! So we're not just talking about a scrub NFL team taking on a College team, these were Super Bowl teams! HHHMMM, kinda makes you think I don't know... During the "golden years", many of the best players retired after college. The pro leagues for several of the earlier years, was a step down from the collegiate game. However, with the advance of the game, the training, the athleticism... and the advent of the pay scale... the professional athlete is the highest eschalon of physicality... The size, strength, and speed of the game is at an all time high... and to even be considered at the professional level, you have to meet certain statistical criteria. I don't think we can look to the past, and juxtapose the current athletic environment. |
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Post by phantom on Jun 30, 2007 18:40:10 GMT -6
The fact that the college all stars won a couple of games means nothing. The best college players won something like eight out of forty exhibition games. Every all star team had players who didn't make it in the NFL. Those were the very best senior players in the country. A real college team vs a real NFL team? The college team would win one every few years.
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Post by los on Jun 30, 2007 18:54:20 GMT -6
Heres a kinda neat way to look at it, go back to the pre-2006 season and take the best college players turning pro! But after having watched them for one season in the pro's. This will be your college All-star team. You know, start with Vince Young at qb if you want, reggie bush, etc.. just the 22 best players by position, you can think of, plus 10 or 11 good subs for special teams, a punter, kicker. Then think about the possibility of them beating one of the nfl teams with the worst record last year, like the Raiders. Some of the match-ups we might see? Then think about the possibility of them beating the superbowl winner Colts! Or try it with this years untested college players? Thats kinda how the college all-star game worked.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 30, 2007 18:58:22 GMT -6
some people will discuss a hypothetcial about anthing ...  |
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Post by coachjd on Jun 30, 2007 19:01:44 GMT -6
Raiders were the worst team in the NFL, but with one of the best defenses. I don't know if vince and reggie could have a ton of success with an all rookie OL vs one of the best defenses in the league. You have to remember that the NFL teams prepare each day like its their job, because it is. They are in meetings, film sessions, wgt training, and practice 8-9 hours per day preparing, and the NCAA allows 20 hours per week.
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Post by los on Jun 30, 2007 19:46:45 GMT -6
I agree jd, sure these were all exhibition formats but the college boys didn't do too bad to me over the years, 9 wins,2 ties=11 non losses out of 42-43 games. Better than 25%, lol!
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Post by revtaz on Jul 1, 2007 7:28:35 GMT -6
The best College team recently, let's say USC with leinart and bush.
v.
The worst team in the NFL this past year, the Raiders.
Get Al Davis on the phone, there is money in that.
I think that it would be closer than some people think, but the NFL would win. Could you imagine Warren Sapp going head to head with a rookie linemen. I am pretty sure it wouldn't be a contest.
My bet is on the NFL.
Taz
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 1, 2007 8:51:42 GMT -6
USC loses to the Raiders 42-14.
A better question is D-III vs. D-IAA
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Post by los on Jul 1, 2007 12:02:56 GMT -6
If you guys wanna check out some "real", not hypothetical, college vs pro games. Google the Chicago Charity College All Star Game, they have scores and game summaries of all the games they played over the years. Just a little football history 101, pretty interesting stuff!
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Post by briangilbert on Jul 1, 2007 13:26:35 GMT -6
I do believe in Ohio anyways that some Division 3 colleges like Hiram would not only get beat by a team like Ignatius, but get beat BADLY by like 40.
Could Mount beat Kent State... NO!
Could Ohio State beat the Oakland Raiders... NO!
But then again Rocky apparently won the cold war for America so YA NEVER KNOW.
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Post by Yash on Jul 1, 2007 14:35:14 GMT -6
Give me the worst pro team over the best college team any day. Remember, even the worst NFL team usually beats 2 or 3 NFL teams per year. I'll take the raiders D line and O-line vs florida's lines any day. The speed is that much better at the NFL. Thats why you don't see rookies having a huge impact on a consistent basis. Sure you have a guy like Merriman or someone like that who has a huge year, but usually there are under 10 first rounders who have a huge year in their first year. It takes time to catch up to NFL speed.
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