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Post by hammer66 on Feb 8, 2015 12:56:10 GMT -6
Coach Gordon I tend to agree. Was my first Glazier and I was happy to say the least. I sat in on all three morning sessions from Pat Fox and he was extremely entertaining and informative.
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Post by dg1694 on Feb 8, 2015 13:38:58 GMT -6
This is exactly why I've decided to do webinars. Much lower than the cost of going to a clinic, and it is interactive. Also, not locked in to a specific time. For example, the first webinar will be a minimum of 90 minutes, with no danger of having to end because the room is needed by the next speaker.
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Post by dbcoach19 on Feb 8, 2015 16:28:04 GMT -6
Went to a clinic this weekend and there were a lot of guys doing multiple sessions and I was a little upset, because the guy would constantly bring up a topic and then say "i'll get more into that in the other session later". It was almost like he added a lot of basic filler information in his session, because he had so much time to fill.
Also not a big deal, but I feel like every offense/defense scheme session the coach says "you can run this with inferior/smaller/slower/less/dumber players." Waiting for the one coach who starts off by saying "you need to have absolute studs to run this system".
Picked up a few things obviously throughout the weekend, but not as much as usual. I felt like I learned more reading a book I bought between sessions.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 8, 2015 16:32:10 GMT -6
Went to a clinic this weekend and there were a lot of guys doing multiple sessions and I was a little upset, because the guy would constantly bring up a topic and then say "i'll get more into that in the other session later". It was almost like he added a lot of basic filler information in his session, because he had so much time to fill. Also not a big deal, but I feel like every offense/defense scheme session the coach says "you can run this with inferior/smaller/slower/less/dumber players." Waiting for the one coach who starts off by saying "you need to have absolute studs to run this system". Picked up a few things obviously throughout the weekend, but not as much as usual. I felt like I learned more reading a book I bought between sessions. from my experience it is usually better to sit in on a coach for all 3 sessions in a row lets you get a real feel for the system as a whole, how things work off of one another, how it puts guys into conflict the only time i don't do this is if there is 1 session/topic I REALY REALLY want to learn about with another speaker (and only that one thing)
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Post by dbcoach19 on Feb 8, 2015 16:35:51 GMT -6
Went to a clinic this weekend and there were a lot of guys doing multiple sessions and I was a little upset, because the guy would constantly bring up a topic and then say "i'll get more into that in the other session later". It was almost like he added a lot of basic filler information in his session, because he had so much time to fill. Also not a big deal, but I feel like every offense/defense scheme session the coach says "you can run this with inferior/smaller/slower/less/dumber players." Waiting for the one coach who starts off by saying "you need to have absolute studs to run this system". Picked up a few things obviously throughout the weekend, but not as much as usual. I felt like I learned more reading a book I bought between sessions. from my experience it is usually better to sit in on a coach for all 3 sessions in a row lets you get a real feel for the system as a whole, how things work off of one another, how it puts guys into conflict the only time i don't do this is if there is 1 session/topic I REALY REALLY want to learn about with another speaker (and only that one thing) No I agree with you about the 3 sessions in a row. But it was a defensive topic about his scheme for 3 sessions in a row. The next day he had sessions on linebackers. So when he talked about the line and defensive backs he went over drills and things they look for, but with backers it was just "ill be talking about that more tomorrow".
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Post by coachshepherd on Feb 8, 2015 18:01:17 GMT -6
I hate when they don't stay on topic...If I'm here to listen about hand combat - strike & separate...please talk about that and the coaching points and/or drills and not your life story about being bullied, and how you love/hate George O'Leary, and whatever else....
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 8, 2015 19:17:10 GMT -6
And so...what I am hearing here is that public clinics have diminishing returns that correlate to ones experience. Makes sense to me.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 8, 2015 19:28:29 GMT -6
Back in the day (70's), the Glazier clinics were the best. The thing that separated them from other clinics was that an entire staff spoke (I don't remember how long each session was). For example the entire TCU defensive staff would speak. The DC might give an overview of the defense, and then each position coach would speak for at least one session. In another room, an offensive staff was doing the same thing. I learned a lot of football by going to these clinics. Fast forward to today where clinic speakers speak for 50-70 minutes (including background, jokes, and whom they have coached who is now in the NFL). I don't often go to clinics any more. If I really want to learn about a specific scheme, I will research a school who uses it and contact someone at that school and go there for a visit where I can get all my questions answered. Maybe I'm just getting old, but clinics today are not as good as they used to be.
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Post by tog on Feb 8, 2015 19:29:48 GMT -6
I go and listen to people talking about things I am interested in learning about. I don't have to stay, I frequently walk out when it is garbage.
This rarely happens at Glazier Clinics.
It does happen more at regional or national clinics where some head college coach is coming in and blowing smoke up the state's coache's association
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Post by piratefootball on Feb 8, 2015 21:34:05 GMT -6
I've been in it for just under 20 years at schools that are large so we only coach one side of the ball. I have had the chance to coordinate O for some time and D for some time so I have gotten to a point where most all of what I hear is repeat (and can get a bit monotonous). I have found I need to go to speakers that are more focused (techniques ans position specific and less overall scheme or philosophy). If I need scheme and philosophy I go to visit high school staffs/coordinators or college staffs. As I have switched to the other side of the ball, I saw the value of more remedial presentations. As veteran coaches it is up to us to attend the sessions we believe will be fit us the most and not the job of the presenter to fulfill our needs as there are probably guys in the room whose needs they are fulfilling. There are still guys in their dirt years or picking up a new O or D and clinics like Glazier are better the best things in the world. I have attended a few less clinics and visited more high schools /colleges or watch more webinars the last couple years. But I still attend Glaziers and a few other clinics. Imo ... Glaziers are great, we veterans need to get meticulous on who we are going to see is all and utilize all the resources.
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Post by coachmonkey on Feb 11, 2015 21:19:11 GMT -6
Then what's the point of a clinic (I say to the universe in general, not you specifically). Also, if I'm ever a billionaire I'm starting an Academic Symposium on football. Papers to be submitted and peer-reviewed beforehand. Sounds a lot like X and O Labs.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 12, 2015 0:57:25 GMT -6
Maybe, the point is a heavy focus on ideas you can back up and actually understanding what you're talking about. (I'm looking at you, OL coach who calls everything "leverage.")
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Post by fantom on Feb 12, 2015 1:12:33 GMT -6
Maybe, the point is a heavy focus on ideas you can back up and actually understanding what you're talking about. (I'm looking at you, OL coach who calls everything "leverage.") But it is all about leverage.
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Post by tog on Feb 22, 2015 10:46:07 GMT -6
I saw one the other night where the info was good. But the presentation of it was like the economics guy from ferris bueller on speed.
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