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Post by spartan on Feb 3, 2015 22:36:39 GMT -6
I actually don't know what my question is here, but what is with the guys in Glazier coming in presenting on 4 different topics. Some have been let go from multiple jobs. I just think you should sell your system and believe in it. Not my 3-5 3-3- 4-2-5 and G defense or presenting on pistol then flex bone. I mean really aren't you just spouting out other peoples information. Shouldn't you have credibility?
Just my personal preference.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 3, 2015 23:44:20 GMT -6
Hate that.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 4, 2015 6:22:18 GMT -6
I actually don't know what my question is here, but what is with the guys in Glazier coming in presenting on 4 different topics. Some have been let go from multiple jobs. I just think you should sell your system and believe in it. Not my 3-5 3-3- 4-2-5 and G defense or presenting on pistol then flex bone. I mean really aren't you just spouting out other peoples information. Shouldn't you have credibility? Just my personal preference. So you cant get leg go from a job and speak at a clinic?
"spouting out other peoples information"- happens all of the time. Every clinic out there has speakers heavily influenced by others. Too many egos where guys think they are brilliant and creative, in fact, its been done before by someone else in most cases. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 4, 2015 6:55:14 GMT -6
well I think the point is is that they have a speaker that people like and it is alot cheaper to fly in one person to speak on multiple topics. Those of us that have been at it a while remember when Glazier first started and they actually weren't doing that well at the beginning
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Post by spartan on Feb 4, 2015 8:18:41 GMT -6
I actually don't know what my question is here, but what is with the guys in Glazier coming in presenting on 4 different topics. Some have been let go from multiple jobs. I just think you should sell your system and believe in it. Not my 3-5 3-3- 4-2-5 and G defense or presenting on pistol then flex bone. I mean really aren't you just spouting out other peoples information. Shouldn't you have credibility? Just my personal preference. So you cant get leg go from a job and speak at a clinic?
"spouting out other peoples information"- happens all of the time. Every clinic out there has speakers heavily influenced by others. Too many egos where guys think they are brilliant and creative, in fact, its been done before by someone else in most cases. No you can get let go, you should just have a track record of success with something before your lecturing on it. George Castanza esq and reading a book on risk management and becoming an expert type scenario. I am sure I have read enough books and watched enough clinics on Inside zone but I don't run it, should I be telling people about it? |
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 4, 2015 8:24:53 GMT -6
I suppose I understand. You are saying someone is lousy at inside zone and has little success with it...then goes and speaks about the inside zone to other coaches- sort of makes a mockery of clinics and devalues /demystifies clinic speakers.
Honestly ANYONE can speak at a clinic. I have over the years walked out of several clinics where guys who are college assistant coaches, position coaches, cant get past themselves and their long introductions and jokes. Its to the point where "getting the most out of your average athletes" title and what is actually presented are not related.
If I was in a clinic where it was clear that the speaker was full of baloney, Id have no issues leaving the room and going down the hall to another.
Some of the best clinic speakers are guys that are system coaches that believe whole heartedly in what they do. I really enjoy Tom Herman and other wing T coaches. I like to attend clinics that have "like minded" coaches who can share ideas and everyone can set their own ego aside and learn from each other, regardless of prior wins/losses.
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Post by oriolepower on Feb 4, 2015 8:50:10 GMT -6
I would rather listen to a coach that has done it all and shares everything than an expert coach that doesn't want to share information because his competition might be in the room.
Some coaches know their stuff well enough that they know when it is time to change. Also some coaches are let go because they love their system and won't change.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 4, 2015 9:54:28 GMT -6
My complaint is when people do four presentations in one day on topics so vastly unrelated they couldn't possibly be speaking from any relevant recent experience. I could do a presentation on Jet/Rocket from Red/Blue but I doubt that's what you want when you go to a clinic.
I do wish clinics would have narrower topics. I no longer see the point of seeing a guy speak for an hour on "Zone Spread Offense," I know what he's going to draw already because he only has one hour to get through it (btw it's always IZR, OZ, Jet, Verts, Snag, Mesh). Even if they give those guys three hours it always turns into the guy drawing more of the same. I want a full hour dedicated to some minute thing. "Villanova State Bubble Screen from 2x2 to the field from the left hash" is a good topic in my opinion. Give me three hours dedicated to how you run verts from 2x2, 3x1, 3x2, 4x1, P/A, Rollout, TE sets. Tell me what the exact landmarks are, show me the film, tell me why each adjustment exists and why you used it in that game.
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Post by coachgtiller on Feb 4, 2015 10:00:07 GMT -6
My complaint is when people do four presentations in one day on topics so vastly unrelated they couldn't possibly be speaking from any relevant recent experience. I could do a presentation on Jet/Rocket from Red/Blue but I doubt that's what you want when you go to a clinic. I do wish clinics would have narrower topics. I no longer see the point of seeing a guy speak for an hour on "Zone Spread Offense," I know what he's going to draw already because he only has one hour to get through it (btw it's always IZR, OZ, Jet, Verts, Snag, Mesh). Even if they give those guys three hours it always turns into the guy drawing more of the same. I want a full hour dedicated to some minute thing. "Villanova State Bubble Screen from 2x2 to the field from the left hash" is a good topic in my opinion. Give me three hours dedicated to how you run verts from 2x2, 3x1, 3x2, 4x1, P/A, Rollout, TE sets. Tell me what the exact landmarks are, show me the film, tell me why each adjustment exists and why you used it in that game. You'd be better off going on a college visit and sitting down with a staff. They're not going to give all that stuff away at a clinic. Who know's who is sitting in the audience. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 4, 2015 10:05:38 GMT -6
Then what's the point of a clinic (I say to the universe in general, not you specifically).
Also, if I'm ever a billionaire I'm starting an Academic Symposium on football. Papers to be submitted and peer-reviewed beforehand.
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Post by blockdownkickout on Feb 4, 2015 10:06:33 GMT -6
Just got back from a Glazier Clinic. One guy spent the first 25 minutes telling us the story of why they changed offenses. Frustrating to pay money for that. Give me specific things I can use to make my kids better. That's it.
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Post by coachgtiller on Feb 4, 2015 10:10:37 GMT -6
Then what's the point of a clinic (I say to the universe in general, not you specifically). Also, if I'm ever a billionaire I'm starting an Academic Symposium on football. Papers to be submitted and peer-reviewed beforehand. I completely agree. This is why our HC prefers on campus clinic as opposed to Glazier's. Don't get me wrong, Glazier's are great and you can learn a ton. But on campus clinics also have their advantages. One thing I like that our staff usually does is go down a day early and we can usually watch practice and see how they teach and break things down during their individual time. We've even been fortunate enough to sit in on position group meetings in the past. |
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Post by agap on Feb 4, 2015 10:19:00 GMT -6
My complaint is when people do four presentations in one day on topics so vastly unrelated they couldn't possibly be speaking from any relevant recent experience. I could do a presentation on Jet/Rocket from Red/Blue but I doubt that's what you want when you go to a clinic. I do wish clinics would have narrower topics. I no longer see the point of seeing a guy speak for an hour on "Zone Spread Offense," I know what he's going to draw already because he only has one hour to get through it (btw it's always IZR, OZ, Jet, Verts, Snag, Mesh). Even if they give those guys three hours it always turns into the guy drawing more of the same. I want a full hour dedicated to some minute thing. "Villanova State Bubble Screen from 2x2 to the field from the left hash" is a good topic in my opinion. Give me three hours dedicated to how you run verts from 2x2, 3x1, 3x2, 4x1, P/A, Rollout, TE sets. Tell me what the exact landmarks are, show me the film, tell me why each adjustment exists and why you used it in that game. You'd be better off going on a college visit and sitting down with a staff. They're not going to give all that stuff away at a clinic. Who know's who is sitting in the audience. Small colleges in our state have rules that they can't listen to conference opponents speak at a clinic, but that's not the point of this thread. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 4, 2015 10:20:38 GMT -6
My complaint is when people do four presentations in one day on topics so vastly unrelated they couldn't possibly be speaking from any relevant recent experience. I could do a presentation on Jet/Rocket from Red/Blue but I doubt that's what you want when you go to a clinic. I do wish clinics would have narrower topics. I no longer see the point of seeing a guy speak for an hour on "Zone Spread Offense," I know what he's going to draw already because he only has one hour to get through it (btw it's always IZR, OZ, Jet, Verts, Snag, Mesh). Even if they give those guys three hours it always turns into the guy drawing more of the same. I want a full hour dedicated to some minute thing. "Villanova State Bubble Screen from 2x2 to the field from the left hash" is a good topic in my opinion. Give me three hours dedicated to how you run verts from 2x2, 3x1, 3x2, 4x1, P/A, Rollout, TE sets. Tell me what the exact landmarks are, show me the film, tell me why each adjustment exists and why you used it in that game. You've seen that clinic before but there are guys who haven't. |
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Post by keysersoze on Feb 4, 2015 11:34:58 GMT -6
I went to a clinic where one coach (a Division 1 DC) presented for I'd say 75% of the session on the history of the 3-4 that looked to me like it was taken from Wikipedia. He spent no memorable time going over anything that would help a coach run that defense.
The next speaker was a former DI QB who was a high school coach (got a DI job as a coordinator the next season and was quickly fired) and presented on info he had just gotten from SMU and their spring football. He showed their film and while it was a little more interesting than the 3-4 talk it still was something he had just learned and didn't know much about. Pretty disappointing either way.
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Post by CS on Feb 4, 2015 11:47:17 GMT -6
Then what's the point of a clinic (I say to the universe in general, not you specifically). Also, if I'm ever a billionaire I'm starting an Academic Symposium on football. Papers to be submitted and peer-reviewed beforehand. To get boozed up with other coaches for the weekend |
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Post by spartan on Feb 4, 2015 19:34:01 GMT -6
You'd be better off going on a college visit and sitting down with a staff. They're not going to give all that stuff away at a clinic. Who know's who is sitting in the audience. Totally agree, I get more out of visiting the school I want then going to Glazier. But Glazier the beer is cheap the coaches good and you can maybe see one or two good coaches. |
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Post by bgj on Feb 4, 2015 20:52:52 GMT -6
Some have been let go from multiple jobs. These are the only guys that might be willing to share anything. Its definitely getting bad though. Same national clinic circuit speakers on the same topics. Or the ones that have 3 sentences that describe their lecture topic. "How to defend the spread from the 3-4 and run it in scout team and have snacks for your players and still have your wife want to talk to you during the week, and sleep 6 hours a night. Yes you can!!" Give me a break. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 4, 2015 21:16:57 GMT -6
My complaint is when people do four presentations in one day on topics so vastly unrelated they couldn't possibly be speaking from any relevant recent experience. I could do a presentation on Jet/Rocket from Red/Blue but I doubt that's what you want when you go to a clinic. I do wish clinics would have narrower topics. I no longer see the point of seeing a guy speak for an hour on "Zone Spread Offense," I know what he's going to draw already because he only has one hour to get through it (btw it's always IZR, OZ, Jet, Verts, Snag, Mesh). Even if they give those guys three hours it always turns into the guy drawing more of the same. I want a full hour dedicated to some minute thing. "Villanova State Bubble Screen from 2x2 to the field from the left hash" is a good topic in my opinion. Give me three hours dedicated to how you run verts from 2x2, 3x1, 3x2, 4x1, P/A, Rollout, TE sets. Tell me what the exact landmarks are, show me the film, tell me why each adjustment exists and why you used it in that game. How about an hour on 4 verts? I've been to one of those. It was actually quite informative. |
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Post by s73 on Feb 4, 2015 22:05:54 GMT -6
I actually don't know what my question is here, but what is with the guys in Glazier coming in presenting on 4 different topics. Some have been let go from multiple jobs. I just think you should sell your system and believe in it. Not my 3-5 3-3- 4-2-5 and G defense or presenting on pistol then flex bone. I mean really aren't you just spouting out other peoples information. Shouldn't you have credibility? Just my personal preference. I'm on point with you here. My Glazier experiences in the last several years has been it's football 101. All surface and no substance. Ive been coaching football for 20 years now and by NO MEANS know it all. Not saying that. What I am saying is that after several years of running the flex bone I kind of get tired of paying 400 bucks to listen to a guy give an introductory discussion on inside veer. For us, the last 3 years we have found much cheaper clinics that target the flex and for the 2nd year in a row now, we as a staff are going away for one night just on our own and white boarding our own offense and defense v. various opponents. We rented a small conference room where we can watch game film together, discuss personnel for next season and drink beer. This has become much more effective for us IMO and much less expensive. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 4, 2015 22:46:38 GMT -6
Maybe my experience is different but I've never come away from a Glazier without getting anything. The kind of speakers who are being complained about-speakers with multiple topics or one-hour speakers- I avoid unless there's nothing else going on. After 35 years I don't want or expect to get a complete defensive system. If I can get some drills or a technique or a stunt though it's worth it.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 5, 2015 7:49:27 GMT -6
Maybe my experience is different but I've never come away from a Glazier without getting anything. The kind of speakers who are being complained about-speakers with multiple topics or one-hour speakers- I avoid unless there's nothing else going on. After 35 years I don't want or expect to get a complete defensive system. If I can get some drills or a technique or a stunt though it's worth it. right, I am going up to Baltimore and will sit 3 hours in a 3-4 clinic and 3 hours in a 4-2-5 clinic. I expect to pick up 1 or 2 things from each guy that I can use tomorrow. |
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Post by s73 on Feb 5, 2015 7:56:46 GMT -6
Maybe my experience is different but I've never come away from a Glazier without getting anything. The kind of speakers who are being complained about-speakers with multiple topics or one-hour speakers- I avoid unless there's nothing else going on. After 35 years I don't want or expect to get a complete defensive system. If I can get some drills or a technique or a stunt though it's worth it. I agree w/ this Fantom. I guess my point is that for the cost I feel like I can find something more worthwhile for less cost. Glazier FOR ME was more of a catalyst for finding my coaching identity. Now I have narrowed my scope a great deal concentrating on less topics but looking for deeper material if that makes sense. |
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Post by spartan on Feb 5, 2015 18:55:11 GMT -6
I go to Glazier to network and see colleagues and learn 1-4 things thank god school covers the cost. I go to NDSU to learn POWER, Oregon to learn Spread option and Minnesota to learn Play action pass.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 6, 2015 3:44:59 GMT -6
My complaint is when people do four presentations in one day on topics so vastly unrelated they couldn't possibly be speaking from any relevant recent experience. I could do a presentation on Jet/Rocket from Red/Blue but I doubt that's what you want when you go to a clinic. I do wish clinics would have narrower topics. I no longer see the point of seeing a guy speak for an hour on "Zone Spread Offense," I know what he's going to draw already because he only has one hour to get through it (btw it's always IZR, OZ, Jet, Verts, Snag, Mesh). Even if they give those guys three hours it always turns into the guy drawing more of the same. I want a full hour dedicated to some minute thing. "Villanova State Bubble Screen from 2x2 to the field from the left hash" is a good topic in my opinion. Give me three hours dedicated to how you run verts from 2x2, 3x1, 3x2, 4x1, P/A, Rollout, TE sets. Tell me what the exact landmarks are, show me the film, tell me why each adjustment exists and why you used it in that game. heres the thing, I have spoken at clinics for nearly 20 years. I will say that it is impossible to cover a complete offense or defense in an hour and a half. You cant do it justice.
what has to happen is that topics either have to be shallow/lacking great depth and detail or you focus on specific narrow topics.
I went to a clinic where a pro coach was covering his offense. he included zero blocking rules for passing or running the ball. he really covered philosophy quite well however. That was a two hour clinic on offensive philosophy on why they do what they in their offense. coaches wanted assignments and adjustments and all of that, there just wasn't time.
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Post by hammer66 on Feb 6, 2015 6:00:38 GMT -6
Maybe my experience is different but I've never come away from a Glazier without getting anything. The kind of speakers who are being complained about-speakers with multiple topics or one-hour speakers- I avoid unless there's nothing else going on. After 35 years I don't want or expect to get a complete defensive system. If I can get some drills or a technique or a stunt though it's worth it. right, I am going up to Baltimore and will sit 3 hours in a 3-4 clinic and 3 hours in a 4-2-5 clinic. I expect to pick up 1 or 2 things from each guy that I can use tomorrow. I will be at the Baltimore clinic as well.... hope its good its my first Glazier switching from the NIKE |
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Post by Cody Gardner on Feb 6, 2015 7:12:06 GMT -6
My goal is to get one piece from every speaker. I don't care how small the piece is, I just want one thing. Sadly that isn't always the case, this year I have been lucky. The staff I was previously with we would set up times with other programs in the off times in our hotel rooms, I felt those were more helpful.
I was debating on going to Kansas City this weekend, looked at the topics, found only one coach/topic I wanted to hear speak. So I emailed him and asked if we could sit down and talk shop, he replied in about 15 mins.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 8, 2015 9:22:00 GMT -6
well just got back from Baltimore. Honestly, I thought it was the best Glazier clinic I went to in a LONG time. I saw Cook from GT, Hughes from CSU-Pueblo, Dawson from Eagles (he spoke about college 4-2-5). I only saw 1 session from Salgado from Princeton and thought he was good. The session I saw from Flaherty wasn't that good but I didn't see his previous session so maybe that had something to do w/ it
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 8, 2015 12:40:59 GMT -6
The SF one was probably the worst glazier I've been to
Really hoping reno will be better
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Post by saltfork on Feb 8, 2015 12:55:01 GMT -6
I don't really like going to clinics anymore. I would rather listen to HS guys than college guys - but the HS guys don't want to give anything away, so It's nothing useful. The college guys either do too much or its too personnel oriented.
I would much rather go visit another HS staff and sit down with them and talk. I've learned more from talking to other coaches in the audience at clinics than from the speakers themselves.
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