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Post by texcoach12 on Feb 2, 2015 10:10:46 GMT -6
I am in my second year of coaching. I have been an athlete my whole life, but grew up a basketball kid that could run fast, jump high, with a good set of hands, really just your typical HS skill position kid. I trained very hard and I feel I really know that aspect of coaching very well. I coach WR and DBs,(varsity) which I feel very confident with those positions. I have proven to be a great motivator, and had an undefeated season with my Jr High.(I know thats not much much to brag about) but the point is, I've fallen in love with football and aspire to be an OC someday, but as far as X's and O's, I will be the first to tell you that I am lacking some in that area. I do know twice as much this year as I did last, and I'm constantly learning, but i feel I am learning it all in such a sporadic fashion. Is this normal? Did you all feel a bit overwhelmed early on in your career? surely not everyone graduates college knowing the game through and through. Do you just randomly gain pieces of the puzzle until one day you feel you have put an entire one together. Is there a specific order in which I should be learning things? I realize this makes me sound like a total newb, but any advice or words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated. Love this sight, and looking forward to yall's input. Thanks in advance!
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 2, 2015 10:16:13 GMT -6
First, welcome to the forum. Second, congrats on your undefeated season, a good job regardless of level. Third, xs and os, that's just what they are...anyone can draw xs and os. I would however suggest that you study football history, starting with the single wing, then the wing t and straight T /split T attacks. Then work on triple option football, then pro style offenses and into modern spread.
There are hundreds of great books, clinic notes, videos, clinics and forums as well as free playbooks.
In my opinion, a strong foundation in single wing and wing T lends itself to a good solid foundation for coaching as an OC at the high school level. Its as good a place to start as any.
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Post by oriolepower on Feb 2, 2015 10:32:32 GMT -6
Congrats on a great start. I think everyone feels overwhelmed at first. If they don't they aren't being honest with themselves or others. The greatest coaches I have ever had the privilege of speaking with said they always have so much more to learn. The game has a lot of different aspects so sporadic learning happens.
Don't be afraid to ask a coach any question. The good ones will give you a good response and not belittle you. You do need to be a little careful on the message boards and other electronic forums because a lot of people won't be as kind.
As coach2013 mentioned, find one aspect and study it as much as possible. I find it is always best to approach every O or D with a critical eye so that you know the answers to the tough questions.
As you can probably tell from the general theme, take every opportunity to sit down with a coach and pick their brain. Good or bad in this case. Both will give you ideas that work and that don't work. I've learned more from a few "unsuccessful coaches" than I have from the good ones. When I asked why something didn't work, they usually gave me tremendous advice that I could apply to our situation. I put unsuccessful in quotes because they don't have great win/loss records. I think they are great men.
Finally, I'm a Glazier Clinic junkie. I don't listen to the radio when I work. I listen to archived webinars and videos. If I hear something that interests me, I back it up and watch it.
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Post by lochness on Feb 2, 2015 10:54:21 GMT -6
1. Patience: Don't be in a hurry to be a shot-caller. Be dedicated to being the best coach you can be "right now" and things will start to take care of themselves for you. HC's are ALWAYS looking for dedicated, passionate young guys who are willing to learn. Unfortunately, the "willing to learn" is the hardest to find. Lots of guys want to call plays on Friday night, but don't have a 1/4 of the experience or knowledge they need to be successful.
2. Detail: Learn every little detail you can about the techniques of the game. Angles, landmarks, body placement, hand placement, leverage, footwork, etc etc etc is what wins ballgames...not the super spread read option multi-packaged no huddle up tempo wizbanger offense.
3. Progression: Study up on what you do now. Learn YOUR offense. Learn the WHY's of the offense. Then, expand to learning other positions in your offense. Start with the OL. Guys that understand pass routes and screens are a dime-a-dozen. Guys who understand OL techniques, rules and schemes are NOT...get into the OL and learn from someone who knows what the hell they are doing if you want to be a great offensive coach. Once you've done that, learn about other basic offenses and the WHY's of those offenses. Wing t and Triple Option are great places to start, even if you aren't "into" those schemes...because from a foundational standpoint, they are elemental to what offensive football is all about.
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Post by brophy on Feb 2, 2015 11:05:11 GMT -6
foster a relationship with a (dedicated, or at least passionate) coach on staff that you can spend time with and absorb something from.
OTHERWISE, be the hardest working assistant on staff to serve your header. From there, I would foster as many relationships with area college staffs to learn from them (learn more about HOW to do than WHAT to do).
whats going to make you a good coach isn't going to be the schemes or drills, it is knowing how to take care of the details and personal relationships with players in the program
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Post by Send_the_House on Feb 2, 2015 11:37:50 GMT -6
Best advise I can give is when you talk about yourself and your coaching, use the terms, "ours" and "we".
"My" 9th grade team did this, or "My" secondary did this... That is the wrong way to approach things.
It should be, "Our" 9th grade team.... "Our secondary"... "We" went undefeated...
Until a young coach masters this approach, it can be tough sailing.
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 2, 2015 11:52:49 GMT -6
Brophy's advice is pretty good. My advice will come from a situation in which I didn't take advantage of and regret it to this day. First, become a master of your positions within your system. Then, branch out to another coach on staff--like Brophy suggested--to learn the nuances of other position groups but still within your system. Then, you can branch out into other methods of football to gain overall knowledge. I worked with a GREAT staff my first three years of my career, but I didn't take advantage of the opportunity to fully learn from the other guys.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 2, 2015 12:11:58 GMT -6
You're a WR/DB guy...
1) Meet with your OC and learn everything you can about the offense your current program is running. Your first priority is to help your program in every way possible.
1b) Meet with your DC and ask what he does to shut down your offense in your 1's vs 1's period.
2) Sign up for Glazier. Spend 2/3 of the time at stuff that your HC and OC pick for you. 1/3 of the time learning something else (preferably defense if you think you get offense, or vice versa).
3) See if the QB coach in your program will let you sit in a position meeting (especially his first of the year). You can't coach WR/DB without understanding why the QB is throwing where, etc.
4) Study the history of the game and buy all the books, DVDs, etc you can. Listen to Joe Daniel's podcasts (free). Join forums like this and CoachXO and ask questions/read up.
5) Attend local college clinic. Here I can go to UCFs for free and sit with the S&C guys or any position group and the OC/DC. Pretty good opportunity to see how the big dawgs do it.
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Post by coachgtiller on Feb 2, 2015 12:48:35 GMT -6
Don't become discouraged by your "lack" of knowledge right now. Like you said, you feel like you've "doubled" your knowledge over the past year, that will continue to happen year to year. If it doesn't you're not doing something right.
I'm 24 and just finished my 4th year of coaching and I can tell you looking back on day 1 it's amazing how far I've come in just a few years in terms of understanding the game. And there's still a TON I don't know. The day you think you know it all is the day it's time to hang up the whistle. Like everybody has said find a mentor and become a sponge. If he likes a play vs that weeks defense ask why. Learn how he thinks. And do everything you can to learn OL play. It all starts upfront. Luckily for me, I am an OL guy but I'm getting into the WR/secondardy stuff now. I actually coached DL this past year, that too I feel can help you gain a tremendous amount of knowledge.
Attention to detail and passion are huge. I like to think of those as two reasons I've been able to gain responsibility in the few years I've been at it.
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 2, 2015 13:25:30 GMT -6
Talk football as much as you can with the older coaches. Between classes, after school, etc.
Learn about all kinds of offenses and defenses.
You may know all about WR and DB play but until you at least have a clue about Oline play, you are a long way off. Blocking schemes and adjustments is where the meat is. Ive known many coaches who didnt fully understand offensive line play and it puts you at a disadvantage.
Dont be afraid to ask questions you might think are stupid. Its the only way you learn. There were a ton of things I didnt know anything about and I was a coach's son.
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Post by texcoach12 on Feb 2, 2015 13:45:00 GMT -6
wow, I cant believe all the great feedback I've received. It says a lot about the credibility of this site as it does the character of some in this great profession, and I certainly appreciate it guys. I am constantly reading and have a great HC who is always giving the thorough responses to my question. I had never really thought to learn the single wing and wing T first, that really does make sense though. I have heard people say O line is the way to go for aspiring coordinators, and now I really explore it. to Send_the_house, I have a hard time believing that is the "best advise" you could give, but I think that you're totally right, and I appreciate you pointing it out, I didn't realize I was even doing it, and I see how that could convey the message that I's only in this for personally gain. All the encouragement is HUGE, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who has ever felt a little overwhelmed. Thanks again guys, y'all are awesome!
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Post by brophy on Feb 2, 2015 14:26:07 GMT -6
overwhelmed starting out? No doubt....tons of interesting pieces of information on systems, schemes, drills, technique, coaching points, football 'celebrities', etc the chore is to get to a point of perspective where you can frame/compartmentalize what you will encounter in the coming seasons. You will find yourself filling up a ton of these over the next seasons. draw it up, rep it in your head, and always be thinking, "how am I wrong"? The biggest mistake in coaching is thinking you HAVE THE ANSWER. This is why you want to find a mentor, someone who will challenge you or call you on your {censored}. You may have a great idea, but you need a voice (if it isn't your own) that says, " Nope, that won't work and here's why..." (and then process where the roadblocks are at). The 'overwhelmed' feeling comes from knowing you have to PRODUCE and be able to perform when you meet your players again. You can't show up and give them the same answers or the same line from the day before. As an athlete, that is what we are conditioned for (what you did in yesterday's practice won't be enough for TODAY's practice...you can't coast or you'll get eaten alive). This is natural, but use it to make yourself better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 21:24:52 GMT -6
I love what Brophy said. The only thing I will offer that I was told early on, is that you cannot watch enough football. If you have a dvr, use it and do not put constraints on yourself.
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Post by s73 on Feb 3, 2015 6:36:21 GMT -6
overwhelmed starting out? No doubt....tons of interesting pieces of information on systems, schemes, drills, technique, coaching points, football 'celebrities', etc the chore is to get to a point of perspective where you can frame/compartmentalize what you will encounter in the coming seasons. You will find yourself filling up a ton of these over the next seasons. draw it up, rep it in your head, and always be thinking, "how am I wrong"? The biggest mistake in coaching is thinking you HAVE THE ANSWER. This is why you want to find a mentor, someone who will challenge you or call you on your {censored}. You may have a great idea, but you need a voice (if it isn't your own) that says, " Nope, that won't work and here's why..." (and then process where the roadblocks are at). The 'overwhelmed' feeling comes from knowing you have to PRODUCE and be able to perform when you meet your players again. You can't show up and give them the same answers or the same line from the day before. As an athlete, that is what we are conditioned for (what you did in yesterday's practice won't be enough for TODAY's practice...you can't coast or you'll get eaten alive). This is natural, but use it to make yourself better. This is so true. I have MANY more notebooks than I have even books about FB (and I have ALOT of those too). I would suggest that before you even study other offenses and defenses, start to pen your programs offense and defense to paper v. various looks you will see through out the year. These are great mental reps IMO. Maybe watch some film of the many defenses you guys see and draw up variations of the things that you guys do. This will show your header that you are putting in the mental work and trying to show him that you are thinking about how to improve at THIS job. It's a great way to play mental chess w/ yourself. I attacked and defended myself probably hundreds if not a thousand times on paper before I ever called my first play in a real game. IMO it's best to strategize in the privacy of your own home before you do it on the field. JMO. You can map out all the best & worst case scenarios in a notebook and then when it happens in a game you will have the feeling of "I've seen this before". Once you get to that point and start to become a HELPFUL voice to the current staff IMO that's when you know you are growing. Its a long process, but it's fulfilling the first time you recognize the adjustments that need to be made. JMO. Good luck and enjoy the journey. Best job in the world.
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