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7 on 7s
Jul 6, 2007 10:27:28 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jul 6, 2007 10:27:28 GMT -6
As I ponder the prospect of spending all day tomorrow in the middle of nowhere at a passing tournament, I'm wondering how others feel about them.
DWers, don't take offense. I'm no hater. Just having fun.
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7 on 7s
Jul 6, 2007 10:30:12 GMT -6
Post by brophy on Jul 6, 2007 10:30:12 GMT -6
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Jul 6, 2007 10:35:00 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jul 6, 2007 10:35:00 GMT -6
it is like trying to build a house while all the contractors are arguing over what kind of carpet and curtains you should have. Aren't they supposed to? While drinking beer and tossing the empties on your lawn? |
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7 on 7s
Jul 6, 2007 12:49:52 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Jul 6, 2007 12:49:52 GMT -6
I've found that this year, while putting in a new defense, that they are pretty invaluable. I won't go as far as to say I like them more than real football, but they are playing a major role in my preparation this year.
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7 on 7s
Jul 6, 2007 14:03:13 GMT -6
Post by briangilbert on Jul 6, 2007 14:03:13 GMT -6
I'm with LarryMoe I think they are huge for the Defense.
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Jul 6, 2007 18:45:23 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2007 18:45:23 GMT -6
I voted necessary evil; I don't really like them, but they are good for working on the ingredients of a good passing attack.
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7 on 7s
Jul 6, 2007 19:09:39 GMT -6
Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 6, 2007 19:09:39 GMT -6
Not counting PATs (we almost always go for 2), we throw about 2 x per game. We do 7 on 7 twice during the summer because:
1. we see a lot of passing and it is good for our kids to see route combinations in our coverage
2. we get to do pass skelly against good guys, not our JV guys
3. It is better than them playing basketball or baseball (or drinking or trying to impregnate someone).
4. Offensively- it gives us ample time to work our passing game and determine what 1-3 plays our kids have TOTAL confidence in if we NEED a completion. The last 3 years we've had a good "go to" pass play and I think it gets to that stage because of 7 on 7.
I've said before on here we do not do tournaments or any "7 on 7 game type things". We go against local teams not in our class, run 3 sets of 10 or so plays each in situations (down & distance), and just work on our stuff.
Otherwise... necessary evil.
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7 on 7s
Jul 6, 2007 19:25:42 GMT -6
Post by schultbear74 on Jul 6, 2007 19:25:42 GMT -6
It also gives our skill players something to do in the summer besides going to basketball tournaments. Not a problem in Texas- big problem in the Midwest.
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7 on 7s
Jul 6, 2007 23:48:18 GMT -6
Post by dblwngr on Jul 6, 2007 23:48:18 GMT -6
Believe it or not.........Dblwng teams can get work out of 7 on 7 as well.  A few years back we were in the top three at the team camp we attended. (it definitely helped having a kid that went on to play D1 that year) Lots of middle cross and NCAA route stuff |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2007 5:45:54 GMT -6
From reading the posts, I am not sure the poll is valid, because some are discussing the 7 on 7 tournaments (complete with 15 yard 1st downs, LB's aligning at 9 yards, and 80% 2 man coverage) and others are talking about holding 7 on 7 pass practices like you do in season...but against other teams (Which I really like and think can be very valuable tools)
Other than the competition aspect (which I believe you can capture in the more structured outings just as well), I find absolutely no value in those tournaments when compared to those structured pass skell sessions.
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Post by brophy on Jul 7, 2007 6:01:38 GMT -6
From reading the posts, I am not sure the poll is valid, because some are discussing the 7 on 7 tournaments (complete with 15 yard 1st downs, LB's aligning at 9 yards, and 80% 2 man coverage) and others are talking about holding 7 on 7 pass practices like you do in season...but against other teams (Which I really like and think can be very valuable tools) Other than the competition aspect (which I believe you can capture in the more structured outings just as well), I find absolutely no value in those tournaments when compared to those structured pass skell sessions. great point So far, 3 different tournaments - 3 different RULES OF PLAY this summer. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2007 7:32:24 GMT -6
Just to be clear, when I said "poll might not be valid" I just meant that the results might not truly give phantom the answers he was looking for.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 7, 2007 9:00:05 GMT -6
Last OC I worked for LOVED 7 on 7...in fact, he would be really upset if we didn't win. Honestly, if it was up to this guy, 7 on 7 would be real football! Didn't matter that we would make stuff up on the fly and run routes that would have zero chance of working on Friday nights...all that mattered was getting some crappy trophy declaring us 7 on 7 Champions.
Complete waste of time...only things the kids got out of it was a little conditioning and cheap t-shirts.
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Jul 7, 2007 14:19:44 GMT -6
Post by bigcroz on Jul 7, 2007 14:19:44 GMT -6
We also go against local schools in a controlled skelly like session. I feel that the tourny's seem to be a waste of time as like mentionewd above teams tend to do things that they never will on Friday night. Such as, running man 2 on D and sending the fullback on a go route straight up the seem to hold the saftey. Both very good concepts, just things that they will never do on Friday. Just my .02
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Jul 7, 2007 18:42:35 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jul 7, 2007 18:42:35 GMT -6
From reading the posts, I am not sure the poll is valid, because some are discussing the 7 on 7 tournaments (complete with 15 yard 1st downs, LB's aligning at 9 yards, and 80% 2 man coverage) and others are talking about holding 7 on 7 pass practices like you do in season...but against other teams (Which I really like and think can be very valuable tools) Other than the competition aspect (which I believe you can capture in the more structured outings just as well), I find absolutely no value in those tournaments when compared to those structured pass skell sessions. I agree qbout controlled 7 on 7s being useful. The one that we attended today was a pain. It wasn't a complete waste of time because we were able to get our QBs some reps and look at some kids but nine hours in the sun,,,whew. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 7:17:39 GMT -6
I like to think we get everything out of 7 on 7 that we can. . .but I'd rather watch 2 old men paint than watch it.
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Post by tedseay on Jul 9, 2007 7:56:08 GMT -6
. . .but I'd rather watch 2 old men paint than watch it. ...even Picasso and Rembrandt? ;D ;D |
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Post by tedseay on Jul 9, 2007 8:02:11 GMT -6
As I ponder the prospect of spending all day tomorrow in the middle of nowhere at a passing tournament, I'm wondering how others feel about them. On offense, I use the tourneys to work the timing of pass route packages in my Wild Bunch offense, especially the Bunch stuff, even if it is almost always against C2/Man...  On defense, I use it principally to practice the mechanics of the Deep Safety in my 2-Level defense and to coordinate that position (hopefully the top 2 or 3 kids in the DS slot will get work) with the Second Level defenders and one or both Ends (Ends work pass techniques only). Again, we will generally only work against 4- and 5-wide shotgun spreads, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 8:51:29 GMT -6
I'm probably negative on it because we dont' have leagues per se so we skelly ourselves a ton; we do skelly with a local college in the summer which really helps us get to our drops quickly on defense.
But I guess I wouldn't give up the time to work with the team either, so it's okay.
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