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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 14:42:18 GMT -6
I should have probably reserved this for a blog post, but oh, well, what the he!!. I just saw a postin the offense section titled "Best Offense". I have a hard time stomaching questions like these b/c in all honesty, define "best"? In a game, with such diversity, how on Earth do you plan on defining such a question? I have coached in basically 3 areas of the country and I can tell you this, the term "best" can mean a lot of things.
To one coach the flexbone may be the "best" offense, but what do you do when you only have 1 B back, and/or no talent at slot? Some may say the Pro I is the best offense, but if your generally weaker and less talented than your opponents, I don't think it's going to turn out to be the "best" for you. Some coaches love the 3-3, and swear by it, I haven't had any luck with it. Basically, the "best" is what you know and what you can teach the kids.
The real idea here, is to find out what "best" fits your situation. For me, midline doesn't fit us right now, however Power O does. Does that mean that Power O is the "best" play in football? I think the argument would vary greatly on that matter. Maybe the 4-2-5 is the "best" defense in football, I don't know, is there a way to measure it? Do you evaluate only state champions to find out what they run, or...? The point I'm trying to drive home here, is this sh!t ain't cookbook. You've got to evaluate YOUR talent, find out what you KNOW, or else what YOU need to LEARN, and then implement it. Quit coming to a great site like Coach Huey and looking for a handout, b/c I tell you this, if you ask what "best" is on here, you're going to get 1,890,703 answers! Anyhow, maybe just a rant, but dang, I'm seeing this more and more on here, and that's not what this site was about. Huey may take this thread down and that's fine, that's what I've got a blog for. Maybe I'm just getting old, and growing tired of the same ol' "3-3 vs. wing-t" threads on here. Use the search function folks, formulate your OWN opinion, and then go out and coach the best you can coach. If there's one thing "best" you need to look for, is how to be the "best" coach you can be!
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 12, 2015 15:19:49 GMT -6
Mines the best
The power of DW
Deception of wing T
The conflict of option
Air raid passing attack
But with pro style elements
I've found the way to power block the midline
While OSVing it
With 4 verts
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Post by breakerdog on Jan 12, 2015 15:40:12 GMT -6
"......... And get off my lawn!"
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 12, 2015 15:55:14 GMT -6
Just dropped the Duece on people.
Nicely done coach.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 16:17:14 GMT -6
Just dropped the Duece on people. Nicely done coach. Thanks man... Duece |
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Post by coachchrisp on Jan 12, 2015 16:27:44 GMT -6
Damn Bdud that is "Provocative Spread"  While I agree with most of what Duece is saying here, in particular the search function, I believe it is important to remember that men that are new to coaching football are also members of the site. When I first starting coaching I was quite sure there was a new "Best" offense that was going to help us win. You can imagine how bad the results were. So while some of us have done this long enough to know there is no "Best" answer to those type questions I always try to remember that I was there once. As I finished typing I saw an advertisement for the "Nzone System" do you think that would be "Best" for our situation? |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 12, 2015 19:00:50 GMT -6
Damn Bdud that is "Provocative Spread" While I agree with most of what Duece is saying here, in particular the search function, I believe it is important to remember that men that are new to coaching football are also members of the site. When I first starting coaching I was quite sure there was a new "Best" offense that was going to help us win. You can imagine how bad the results were. So while some of us have done this long enough to know there is no "Best" answer to those type questions I always try to remember that I was there once. As I finished typing I saw an advertisement for the "Nzone System" do you think that would be "Best" for our situation? That could stick. Brand that shyt. We run the Provocative Spread. Man there could be some great logos for a t shirt. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards |
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Post by wingtol on Jan 12, 2015 19:24:37 GMT -6
Hog wash, Power is still the best play in football |
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Post by dubber on Jan 12, 2015 19:28:59 GMT -6
Why does anyone cling to anything?
Because questioning your chit is hard. You put time, money, and hope into your chit, and to think you are engage in something for anything less than the best is not fun.
Yet, those who find a way to question the answers will find a deeper and fuller truth than ever they could have imagined.
This works for football too.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 12, 2015 19:39:20 GMT -6
Damn Bdud that is "Provocative Spread" While I agree with most of what Duece is saying here, in particular the search function, I believe it is important to remember that men that are new to coaching football are also members of the site. When I first starting coaching I was quite sure there was a new "Best" offense that was going to help us win. You can imagine how bad the results were. So while some of us have done this long enough to know there is no "Best" answer to those type questions I always try to remember that I was there once. As I finished typing I saw an advertisement for the "Nzone System" do you think that would be "Best" for our situation? That could stick. Brand that shyt. We run the Provocative Spread. Man there could be some great logos for a t shirt. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards It's been in my signature for over a year I think |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 12, 2015 19:46:27 GMT -6
That could stick. Brand that shyt. We run the Provocative Spread. Man there could be some great logos for a t shirt. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards It's been in my signature for over a year I think Ahhh...sigs don't show on my phone through the app. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards |
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Post by racehorse on Jan 12, 2015 21:49:35 GMT -6
Would you consider answering a question like...
I have a team full of (fast guys, but not much power; strong, but not fast; even mix of power and speed; etc...). Can you suggest a possible offensive/defensive scheme for this set of personnel traits?
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 12, 2015 21:51:36 GMT -6
The best offense has a 6 foot 200 lb trackster that runs a legit 10.3 100 that touches the ball every chance you can find, on top of having a 6'2" 200 pound WR that can go get the ball in traffic like he's picking peaches off a tree, and also has a QB that can dissect a defense like pickled shoat in the biology lab and runs the ball with the mentality of 2 ton brahma bull who just got his nuts scuffed. Throw in a an offensive line that can block like their trying to save the world from the zombie apocalypse.
The best defense has a kid who runs a 4.2 pro shuttle and chases the QB like he just plucked the cherry from his kid sister, along with a MLB who reads offenses like it's a Dr. Suess book and can thump a RB like a ripe water melon, and for good measure a long armed lock down CB that can hand fight a WR like Shaolin monk. Plus a few other whiskey drinking gun powder fed MoFo's that hate seeing another colored jersey toting the football.
And add in a kicker/punter who can boot a ball like it was dropped out of a B52 bomber, as well as dink it with back spin like Minnesota Fats, and some striped arsed Indians on the coverage team.
Now you got the makings of a pretty good ball team.
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Post by Rooster on Jan 13, 2015 6:50:18 GMT -6
I should have probably reserved this for a blog post, but oh, well, what the he!!. I just saw a postin the offense section titled "Best Offense". I have a hard time stomaching questions like these b/c in all honesty, define "best"? In a game, with such diversity, how on Earth do you plan on defining such a question? I have coached in basically 3 areas of the country and I can tell you this, the term "best" can mean a lot of things. To one coach the flexbone may be the "best" offense, but what do you do when you only have 1 B back, and/or no talent at slot? Some may say the Pro I is the best offense, but if your generally weaker and less talented than your opponents, I don't think it's going to turn out to be the "best" for you. Some coaches love the 3-3, and swear by it, I haven't had any luck with it. Basically, the "best" is what you know and what you can teach the kids. The real idea here, is to find out what "best" fits your situation. For me, midline doesn't fit us right now, however Power O does. Does that mean that Power O is the "best" play in football? I think the argument would vary greatly on that matter. Maybe the 4-2-5 is the "best" defense in football, I don't know, is there a way to measure it? Do you evaluate only state champions to find out what they run, or...? The point I'm trying to drive home here, is this sh!t ain't cookbook. You've got to evaluate YOUR talent, find out what you KNOW, or else what YOU need to LEARN, and then implement it. Quit coming to a great site like Coach Huey and looking for a handout, b/c I tell you this, if you ask what "best" is on here, you're going to get 1,890,703 answers! Anyhow, maybe just a rant, but dang, I'm seeing this more and more on here, and that's not what this site was about. Huey may take this thread down and that's fine, that's what I've got a blog for. Maybe I'm just getting old, and growing tired of the same ol' "3-3 vs. wing-t" threads on here. Use the search function folks, formulate your OWN opinion, and then go out and coach the best you can coach. If there's one thing "best" you need to look for, is how to be the "best" coach you can be! Duece "You have been drinking a little haven't you?" To which he replies, "No ma'am I have been drinking a lot!". Rooster |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 10:01:08 GMT -6
Ok...well first of all 1,890,703 is a slight exaggeration, we don't have that many members... 2nd - everyone knows waggle is the best play in football 3rd - he!! no the 33 isn't the best, JESUS H...it is by far the worst...BY FAR!!!! 4th - IDK if you are getting old but you are being a cratchedy ol b@stard right now. What happened, did your nursing home run out of tapioca pudding, cancel bingo or something? They ran out of Jack Daniels.... Duece |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 10:01:31 GMT -6
The best offense has a 6 foot 200 lb trackster that runs a legit 10.3 100 that touches the ball every chance you can find, on top of having a 6'2" 200 pound WR that can go get the ball in traffic like he's picking peaches off a tree, and also has a QB that can dissect a defense like pickled shoat in the biology lab and runs the ball with the mentality of 2 ton brahma bull who just got his nuts scuffed. Throw in a an offensive line that can block like their trying to save the world from the zombie apocalypse. The best defense has a kid who runs a 4.2 pro shuttle and chases the QB like he just plucked the cherry from his kid sister, along with a MLB who reads offenses like it's a Dr. Suess book and can thump a RB like a ripe water melon, and for good measure a long armed lock down CB that can hand fight a WR like Shaolin monk. Plus a few other whiskey drinking gun powder fed MoFo's that hate seeing another colored jersey toting the football. And add in a kicker/punter who can boot a ball like it was dropped out of a B52 bomber, as well as dink it with back spin like Minnesota Fats, and some striped arsed Indians on the coverage team. Now you got the makings of a pretty good ball team. I know it's early in 2015, but I nominate this as post of the year!!! Duece |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2015 23:38:28 GMT -6
I should have probably reserved this for a blog post, but oh, well, what the he!!. I just saw a postin the offense section titled "Best Offense". I have a hard time stomaching questions like these b/c in all honesty, define "best"? In a game, with such diversity, how on Earth do you plan on defining such a question? I have coached in basically 3 areas of the country and I can tell you this, the term "best" can mean a lot of things. To one coach the flexbone may be the "best" offense, but what do you do when you only have 1 B back, and/or no talent at slot? Some may say the Pro I is the best offense, but if your generally weaker and less talented than your opponents, I don't think it's going to turn out to be the "best" for you. Some coaches love the 3-3, and swear by it, I haven't had any luck with it. Basically, the "best" is what you know and what you can teach the kids. The real idea here, is to find out what "best" fits your situation. For me, midline doesn't fit us right now, however Power O does. Does that mean that Power O is the "best" play in football? I think the argument would vary greatly on that matter. Maybe the 4-2-5 is the "best" defense in football, I don't know, is there a way to measure it? Do you evaluate only state champions to find out what they run, or...? The point I'm trying to drive home here, is this sh!t ain't cookbook. You've got to evaluate YOUR talent, find out what you KNOW, or else what YOU need to LEARN, and then implement it. Quit coming to a great site like Coach Huey and looking for a handout, b/c I tell you this, if you ask what "best" is on here, you're going to get 1,890,703 answers! Anyhow, maybe just a rant, but dang, I'm seeing this more and more on here, and that's not what this site was about. Huey may take this thread down and that's fine, that's what I've got a blog for. Maybe I'm just getting old, and growing tired of the same ol' "3-3 vs. wing-t" threads on here. Use the search function folks, formulate your OWN opinion, and then go out and coach the best you can coach. If there's one thing "best" you need to look for, is how to be the "best" coach you can be! Duece No problem with this at all. I DO think part of the "irritation" you are feeling is because it does seem lately like the bored is falling into two homogenous groups. The "old" guys..who have seen most of the discussions several times already, and new entrants, who (to us) do seem as if they want to just skip the actual discovery process and run stuff. |
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jan 17, 2015 1:47:58 GMT -6
I should have probably reserved this for a blog post, but oh, well, what the he!!. I just saw a postin the offense section titled "Best Offense". I have a hard time stomaching questions like these b/c in all honesty, define "best"? In a game, with such diversity, how on Earth do you plan on defining such a question? I have coached in basically 3 areas of the country and I can tell you this, the term "best" can mean a lot of things. To one coach the flexbone may be the "best" offense, but what do you do when you only have 1 B back, and/or no talent at slot? Some may say the Pro I is the best offense, but if your generally weaker and less talented than your opponents, I don't think it's going to turn out to be the "best" for you. Some coaches love the 3-3, and swear by it, I haven't had any luck with it. Basically, the "best" is what you know and what you can teach the kids. The real idea here, is to find out what "best" fits your situation. For me, midline doesn't fit us right now, however Power O does. Does that mean that Power O is the "best" play in football? I think the argument would vary greatly on that matter. Maybe the 4-2-5 is the "best" defense in football, I don't know, is there a way to measure it? Do you evaluate only state champions to find out what they run, or...? The point I'm trying to drive home here, is this sh!t ain't cookbook. You've got to evaluate YOUR talent, find out what you KNOW, or else what YOU need to LEARN, and then implement it. Quit coming to a great site like Coach Huey and looking for a handout, b/c I tell you this, if you ask what "best" is on here, you're going to get 1,890,703 answers! Anyhow, maybe just a rant, but dang, I'm seeing this more and more on here, and that's not what this site was about. Huey may take this thread down and that's fine, that's what I've got a blog for. Maybe I'm just getting old, and growing tired of the same ol' "3-3 vs. wing-t" threads on here. Use the search function folks, formulate your OWN opinion, and then go out and coach the best you can coach. If there's one thing "best" you need to look for, is how to be the "best" coach you can be! Duece No problem with this at all. I DO think part of the "irritation" you are feeling is because it does seem lately like the bored is falling into two homogenous groups. The "old" guys..who have seen most of the discussions several times already, and new entrants, who (to us) do seem as if they want to just skip the actual discovery process and run stuff. I used to be one of those noobs, but at 24 now, I wouldn't consider myself an "old" guy lol. It certainly shouldn't take new users as long to grasp these concepts as it has taken some. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 5:28:13 GMT -6
No problem with this at all. I DO think part of the "irritation" you are feeling is because it does seem lately like the bored is falling into two homogenous groups. The "old" guys..who have seen most of the discussions several times already, and new entrants, who (to us) do seem as if they want to just skip the actual discovery process and run stuff. I used to be one of those noobs, but at 24 now, I wouldn't consider myself an "old" guy lol. It certainly shouldn't take new users as long to grasp these concepts as it has taken some. Yes!!! I mean how many times do you need to ask the same question about run fits from the 3-4, or what's better quarters or 2 read?! Duece |
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Post by fantom on Jan 18, 2015 8:27:19 GMT -6
I used to be one of those noobs, but at 24 now, I wouldn't consider myself an "old" guy lol. It certainly shouldn't take new users as long to grasp these concepts as it has taken some. Yes!!! I mean how many times do you need to ask the same question about run fits from the 3-4, or what's better quarters or 2 read?! Duece As one of the oldest guys here let me defend the newbies: The Search function stinks. The new guys are trying to learn the game. That's why we're here. If people stop posting questions Huey's won't be around long. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 18, 2015 8:57:46 GMT -6
Yes!!! I mean how many times do you need to ask the same question about run fits from the 3-4, or what's better quarters or 2 read?! Duece As one of the oldest guys here let me defend the newbies: The Search function stinks. The new guys are trying to learn the game. That's why we're here. If people stop posting questions Huey's won't be around long. I can understand repeated technical questions... it is the repeated comparative ones (like the one that was the catalyst for this post) or the ones asking others to do the active thinking for them that kind of get old. It seeems many of them basically come off as "Hello, I am in a position of power/authority over a group of young people, and I really have no clue how I got that. Knowing absolutely nothing about me, my kids, the inner workings of my program other than the few generic sentences I am going to type, please give me a specific detailed outline on what I should do" |
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Post by s73 on Jan 18, 2015 9:11:24 GMT -6
I know when I was just starting out we had a coach in our area who ran the wing t and nobody else did. He was destroying everybody.
As a newbie I wanted to learn everything I could about the offense b/c I thought it was a magical elixir combined w/ some solid coaching & you would be unstoppable.
Well, as time went along & I got older and actually saw this guy lose some games, etc I realized that he WAS a good coach, but he also coached what he KNEW real well and he has the biggest enrollment at his school in the area by several hundred.
I think anytime their's a dominant program in somebody's area they tend to think "that's the best stuff out there".
After time (sometimes years) I think guys start to learn it's a combination of factors.
I'm sure some of these guys float in and out of this board everyday. Hence the questions.
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Post by fantom on Jan 18, 2015 9:14:58 GMT -6
As one of the oldest guys here let me defend the newbies: The Search function stinks. The new guys are trying to learn the game. That's why we're here. If people stop posting questions Huey's won't be around long. I can understand repeated technical questions... it is the repeated comparative ones (like the one that was the catalyst for this post) or the ones asking others to do the active thinking for them that kind of get old. It seeems many of them basically come off as "Hello, I am in a position of power/authority over a group of young people, and I really have no clue how I got that. Knowing absolutely nothing about me, my kids, the inner workings of my program other than the few generic sentences I am going to type, please give me a specific detailed outline on what I should do" Not long ago there was a poll about how much experience guys had before they got a HC job. A substantial number had zero years of high school coaching experience. Of course these guys have questions. |
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Post by blb on Jan 18, 2015 9:21:40 GMT -6
What is important is not what system you run, but that you have a system.
You must have Vertical Continuity - same system at all levels (more basic with modifications Sub-Varsity).
It should be adaptable to different personnel.
It should have confidence of players and staff.
It should be balanced and versatile.
You should know it inside and out so you can teach it at expert level and solve problems (know why).
You should incorporate innovations (i.e. adding a Spread package to base offense) as you know them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 7:38:51 GMT -6
I can understand repeated technical questions... it is the repeated comparative ones (like the one that was the catalyst for this post) or the ones asking others to do the active thinking for them that kind of get old. It seeems many of them basically come off as "Hello, I am in a position of power/authority over a group of young people, and I really have no clue how I got that. Knowing absolutely nothing about me, my kids, the inner workings of my program other than the few generic sentences I am going to type, please give me a specific detailed outline on what I should do" Not long ago there was a poll about how much experience guys had before they got a HC job. A substantial number had zero years of high school coaching experience. Of course these guys have questions. Hence why those of us w/experience tend to get chapped by such questions. I know the search function sucks, however just look into any thread, and ON THE SAME PAGE may be the same question asked 5 different ways. I mean come on... I agree, no questions no Huey, but geesh, do a little homework and like coachd said do some thinking on your own. Duece |
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Post by coachmonkey on Jan 19, 2015 7:59:30 GMT -6
There are times I may ask a question even though I am pretty sure I already have an answer. I just want to see if someone else is doing something different, or has a different take on it that may spur a new idea. There is a ton of information on here, my job is to filter it so it fits or makes sense for our defense and fits our philosophy. I just like all different perspectives.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 8:36:16 GMT -6
There are times I may ask a question even though I am pretty sure I already have an answer. I just want to see if someone else is doing something different, or has a different take on it that may spur a new idea. There is a ton of information on here, my job is to filter it so it fits or makes sense for our defense and fits our philosophy. I just like all different perspectives. I do this too. Kinda like my post about teachers. I'm not a teacher, however I work with several, and am around the education system so getting teachers perspective on things allows me to communicate better w/my coaches that are teachers. It also sparked one he!! of a discussion, which is what the board is all about!!! Duece |
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Post by irishdog on Jan 19, 2015 10:12:48 GMT -6
There are so many variables. Large school, small school, public school, private school, large percentage reduced/free lunch kids, small percentage of reduced/free lunch kids, diversity, no diversity…you get the picture. There is no 'best' way for everybody, but each one of us has our own 'best' way to get things done based upon our own 'variables'.
I'm the AP and HFC at a small private school, big price tag to attend, no reduced/free lunch, little diversity, no academic issues, little disciplinary issues, limited facilities, limited budget, limited staff, small numbers. Our admissions office does a good job of bringing in students, not necessarily athletes. Our kids play 2 and 3 sports, and maybe, we have a kid sign a scholarship each year in some sport (have only had one kid sign a football scholarship). We work extra hard in the weight room to physically develop our kids to reach a level that is level with the competition we face. We play large public schools, large private schools, small public schools, and small private schools. We're an independent. Our kids don't receive post-season recognition. We run a hybrid double-wing offense and a hybrid 4-2-5 on defense. And while there isn't pressure for us to win...we still win. We win because we do what's 'best' for our kids. They buy in, their parents buy in, and the school buys in.
I couldn't work in a better place.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 19, 2015 10:46:45 GMT -6
Okay gr8 thread but whut iz the best offense for realz? thx
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Post by Rooster on Jan 19, 2015 12:31:03 GMT -6
Okay gr8 thread but whut iz the best offense for realz? thx I just swallowed my snuff.... Duece RELAX>>>>>> Rooster |
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